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DjTj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 09:40 PM
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The difference between Kerry and Edwards on trade:
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anti-NAFTA Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 09:42 PM
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1. Of course someone's going to bring up China.
But we're not arguing that Edwards has a perfect record like Kucinich, but only that he has a substantially stronger position than Kerry.
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anti-NAFTA Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 09:46 PM
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2. Have I killed the thread? eom
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 09:46 PM
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3. Damn. You read my mind!!
I am really more pissed about China than NAFTA. NAFTA-lost jobs have mostly gone to China now.

But, by all means, continue your discussion. I said my piece.
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SangamonTaylor Donating Member (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 09:48 PM
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4. Edwards has said that he regrets the vote on China.
At least that is coming second hand from some interview with Hoffa. I'll try and find that.
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DjTj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 09:59 PM
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8. I haven't found a statement of outright regret, but...
Edited on Wed Feb-18-04 10:00 PM by DjTj
...he was definitely wary of voting for it in the first place:

September 19, 2000:

As U.S. goods and services flow into China and as our engagement grows, the opportunity for real change in China grows. We are all aware that China has a long way to go in improving its record on human rights, religious liberty, environmental protection and labor rights. The abuses in that nation are serious. And I am committed to continued efforts to end those abuses. As American ideas, goods, and businesses surge into China , I believe China's record will improve.

But I am mindful that globalization and this bill in particular may have a real downside. As a Senator from North Carolina, I am well-positioned to see both the enormous benefits and the large costs of this measure.

Textile and apparel workers, many of whom live in North Carolina, face real challenges as a result of this measure. While in almost every respect the agreement with China benefits our country, textiles is the major exception. As a result of joining WTO, quotas on Chinese textiles and apparel will be eliminated in 2005. As a result, Chinese apparel will flow into the United States. By and large, the Chinese imports will likely displace imports from other countries. However, there is no doubt that an additional burden will be placed on the textile industry. To be sure, the industry can try to protect itself through the anti-surge mechanism put in place by this legislation. Yet it does us no good to pretend that these remedies are perfect and that people will not be hurt. I know that textile workers will work their hearts out competing with the Chinese. I know these people; I grew up with them. When I was in college, I worked a summer job in a textile mill. My father spent his life working in mills. The impact of PNTR on them is personal to me. Dealing with the impact of this bill on them will always be a top priority for me. And I will fight throughout my career to protect them.

Mr. President, China's entry into the World Trade Organization and its attainment of permanent normal trade relations with America is not without its risks. No one can predict with certainty that China will live up to its commitments. I vote for this bill because I believe that we must turn our face toward the future. But we must be mindful of the risks. So I warn that I will monitor China's compliance with its agreements like a hawk. If they renege, I will lead the charge to force them to live up to their obligations.

But to vote against this measure--to deny PNTR--not only fails to accomplish anything productive but also denies us enormous opportunities. We cannot hide our heads in the sand. China will join the WTO. The Senate has no impact on that decision. The only question we face is whether the U.S. will grant China permanent normal trade relations or whether it will fall out of compliance with its WTO obligations. If we fall out of compliance, the U.S. will be denied the Chinese tariff reductions and rule changes, while every other country in the world takes advantage of the Chinese concessions. We must decide whether the U.S. will be able to compete with other countries--Germany, France, Japan--as they enter the Chinese market. American companies and workers deserve the right to enter those markets. On balance, I believe that China's admission into the World Trade Organization and its attainment of permanent normal trading relations is for the good.

And so I vote for this legislation, mindful of the risks, prepared to watch the results carefully and optimistic about the future.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2000_record&page=S8701&position=all


He also has a policy on his campaign web site for extending textile quotas:

We cannot continue to give additional concessions to China while China refuses to live up to its trade commitments. Edwards believes that the U.S. and other countries should not eliminate their quotas with China when it is clear that China is not living up to international trade law. As president, he will join developing countries in seeking an extension of textile and apparel quotas with China through the World Trade Organization. The alternative-further opening of the U.S. market without any parallel concessions from China-would result in the loss of 630,000 U.S. jobs without any comparable benefit for American workers, and also harm developing countries.

http://www.johnedwards2004.com/page.asp?id=597
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 10:10 PM
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9. The gist seems to be that we will be locked out of China's markets.
Edited on Wed Feb-18-04 10:11 PM by revcarol
But many, many groups and individuals knew that we would gain little in trade selling to China, and would be a massive net buyer. And that the design of the companies was to get cheap, semi-slave and prison labor to reduce their costs, while selling their goods back here at the same prices.Mucho testimony to this before Congress.

Now maybe he wants to go into the problem of which country owns most of our national debt.(3 guesses)If China ever decided that they wouldn't buy our debt paper, our economy would be on the brink of collapse within weeks.

Just too inexperienced to believe what was pointed out, or really thought that he would be able to monitor China, or AND THIS IS THE KICKER--we are tied to the WTO,(he mentions this in one place) and the WTO corporate people on their secret panels decide the policies that will benefit CORPORATIONS.
Not nations, not workers.

So he doesn't want to say that we have to quit the WTO, which is the only realistic scenario to policy being back in the hands of the nations who are wanting to trade.
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 09:50 PM
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5. I wonder about Edwards' trade position too
The WSJ called him an old-fashioned Smoot Hartley protectionist yesterday, which was probably unfair. Then again like you said, the China FTA. So who knows?
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anti-NAFTA Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 09:51 PM
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7. allen colmes also called him that
you know what that means...
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anti-NAFTA Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 09:50 PM
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6. Edwards has a chance of convincingly
shifting to a more protectionist stand, and has in fact. The first thing he mentions when talking about his differences from Kerry is trade.

Remember that McGovern voted for the Gulf of Tonkin resolution. People change. Kerry doesn't seem like he'll alter his views, and if he does, he isn't very convincing quite frankly.
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