The Situation Room: Jimmy Carter on Hillary Clinton's vote on Kyl-Lieberman

[flpoljunkie]

I am not criticizing Hillary Clinton, but I would not have voted for it. The vote opens up the possiblity that Bush will say we got authority from the Senate to go to war.

[lateo]

1. Hillary supporters putting down Carter in 3...2....1...

[againes654]

3. Wait let me get comfortable

.....:popcorn: , Ok, all set

[rinsd]

4. Naaah unlike the people called McGovern senile for endorsing Hillary...

We like Jimmy Carter.

[flpoljunkie]

5. That is ugly and uncalled for. McGovern made clear he did not support Hillary on her IWR vote.

The Clintons worked for McGovern many years ago organizing his presidential campaign in Texas--which I find admirable on their part.

[rinsd]

6. No what was ugly and uncalled for is attributing behavior to Hillary supporters.

Especially behavior exhibited far more often by other supporters.

Rob Reiner is a loser.

Magic Johnson is a terrible role model.

Spielberg is a hack.

Simple celebrity endorsements that Hillary haters felt the need spill bile on.

[movonne]

9. And the hillary lovers don't spill bile?

[rinsd]

10. Not nearly at the level spilled towards her.

No one's hands are clean but some are only up to their ankles while far too many are waist deep.

[superkia]

37. Why do people care who supports Clinton? They should worry...

about why she looked at the evidence in 2002 and voted to go to war. Kucinich said there was no evidence and the war was about oil and somehow the others looked at that evidence and spewed propaganda like Bush about Iraq, Saddam and Al Queda as they voted yes. That is what we should all be worrying about, what were their intentions and why have so many people given them a free pass on such a deadly move. Electing these people to be POTUS just seems very dangerous for those families that have people in the armed forces, I feel very bad for the innocent lives that may be taken once again because of our inability to see the reality of what took place back then. Its a shame that political games will kill thousands more.

[tyedyeto]

42. Wish i could recommend this post on it's own. n/t

[BootinUp]

11. Yep.

Carter has earned the right to comment freely, and I respect him immensely. I still disagree with that interpretation of the vote.

[Lucinda]

29. Me too. LOVE Carter, see his point, but I disagree with him

I think it is important for the senate to continue to do their job, including calling out those who need to be indentified for what they are, rather than worry what junior MIGHT do.

I've said it numeous times here...I really think that if he hits Iran, he'll do it in some way to panic the public and attempt to garner support, not by trying to retrofit K/L.

[ElizabethDC]

15. No bashing from me. I like Carter a lot and respect what he has to say

even if I don't always agree with him.

[geek tragedy]

19. Will they call him:

a) anti-Semitic for not towing the AIPAC line;

b) an old has-been;

c) a dirty fucking hippy?

[BootinUp]

22. So those are your suggestions? d) none of the above

[SaveElmer]

2. Jimmy Carter is certainly more mature...

Than most critics...

[SaveElmer]

7. Simply confirmation that it is not a black and white issue...

Great Democrats on both sides of opinion here...

Wes Clark, Joe Wilson, Jim Webb, Jimmy Carter...

[Lerkfish]

8. and I agree with Carter

I find the decision to vote yes indefensible.

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[BootinUp]

13. So that would be because

we don't share the DU/netroots groupthink?

[Cameron27]

14. Right

everybody else just lets the negatives stand when it's against their guys. :eyes:

[rinsd]

16. Yes, Hillary supporters responding immediately and forcefully to negative threads.

Imagine that.

:eyes:

[SaveElmer]

17. No supporter of the other candidates would ever do such a thing...

:sarcasm:

[CTD]

33. You could try understanding the criticism.

Maybe then you could begin to see why supporting Hillary is such a poor choice.

The "Hillary haters" are simply trying to open the eyes of the HRC-bots.

:hide:

[Lerkfish]

35. actually, I agree with you on this to a point

I think you should respond if you feel that way.

but my point in my post about "indefensible" was merely that I don't think there can be a valid argument for voting for Kyl-lieberman. I wasn't referring to DUers in that instance, but the position itself.

thanks.

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[BootinUp]

20. Shit, maybe everyone is paid to stay on this board. lol.

[avrdream]

27. I didn't get my check from Skinner this month.

I must be slipping in the criticism department.

Love Jimmy Carter by the way. He is welcome to his opinion just like others are welcome to theirs. My vote still goes to Hillary.

[Lucinda]

50. Where do I sign up?

Mama wants some new landscaping!

[Lerkfish]

36. actually, I think the point of contention is what is criticism or disagreement vs bashing

you obviously feel no amount of criticism is permissable.
I feel we should question everyone.

[William769]

40. Did I say anything about criticism?

You did, now why would you do that? Felling a little guilty about my original OP?

[Lerkfish]

47. no, I have nothing to feel guilty about.

not sure what you're going on about.

I'm pointing out that you seem to be unable to distinguish between "bashing" and valid criticism. Since you never see any criticism of Clinton as valid, it must all be bashing.

Not sure why that would make ME feel guilty about anything.

[creeksneakers2]

39. I suspect

I've been a loyal Democrat all my life. Hillary has a strong chance of becoming our nominee. Much has been posted on DU that encourages those who will refuse to vote for Hillary in the general election. That would help Republicans. So,if there are trolls, I'd expect them to be Hillary bashers.

I jump on lots of threads because I am very worried that the GOP is taking us toward fascism. There's no way the GOP can defend the lies and crimes of the last seven years. I expect them to go negative against Hillary. They'll slime away as many supporters as possible and attack from both sides.

Its hard not to support Hillary because she's attacked so unfairly. I'm still angry about a piece of propaganda that probably came from the right wing, that said Hillary called an audience member a plant and lost her temper at him received such acceptance here on DU. Other falsehoods about Hillary spread quickly. She deserves a defense.

[William769]

41. Whats really amazing are the one's here that say

They won't vote for Hillary for any reason if she is our nominee. Now when someone says that, then how could anything they say not be taken as anything but bashing. The one screaming the loudest here about it only being criticism, are usually the one's doing the bashing.

But I guess they think things will be just hunky dory with another Republican in the White House.

[tyedyeto]

45. Paid troll here? n/t

[Lerkfish]

48. the problem is I rarely see that said.

yet I always see the charge.

its a strawman argument and a broad brush.
If someone doesn't like Clinton policies, you leap to the assumption they will not vote for her in the primary or they will vote republican.
I agree a very small group has said that, but you make the charge to anyone who expresses disagreement with her policies.

I guess I don't understand why you take personally criticism against Clinton. I mean, very very personally.

[William769]

58. Theres a reason you can't see it.

Same reason bigots can't see why racial jokes are bad. When it someone is consumed with something they can't make the distinction.

[Lerkfish]

59. well, that explains YOUR blindspot very well

and thanks, I guess that helps explain why you take it so personally.

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[ima_sinnic]

55. no, they are concerned citizens who feel the need to say what the MSM won't

to expose the iies, triangulating, empty/meaningless platitudes, dirty backroom deals, connections to people like Rupert Murdoch and Penn and many many other scumbag manipulators, the blatant whoring for campaign money and perks from insurance and pharma CEOs and anybody else, really, who will pay for it, the eagerness to continue the obscene atrocity occurring in the Middle East in our names -- just stuff like that.

Nobody needs to "pay" me to point out that it is not in the best interests of Americans to continue down the same bloody, war mongering, killing-for-profit path we are on. In fact, I feel it is my duty, as a patriot, to make the citizens aware of the realities of voting for such as she.

[ChiciB1]

23. Don't Worry... More & More People Are Noticing It & A LOT...n/t

[Cameron27]

25. Really,

then I hope they're alerting the mods, otherwise it's sounds too much like old fashioned McCarthyism.

[BootinUp]

30. Is that different than new fashioned McCarthyism?

:)

[Cameron27]

31. It seems to be more chic this time around!

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[tyedyeto]

46. What does being female have to do with how she votes?

Your verbage is a right wing talking point.

[tyedyeto]

43. Who are you calling a troll?

Because they don't agree with Hillary? Excuse me, but I've never been paid by anyone and feel Hillary is a negative influence for the Democratic party..... am I the next one you are going to call a troll?

[illinoisprogressive]

21. warmonger.

[AtomicKitten]

24. Jimmy Carter is exactly right -

and that doesn't surprise me one bit

[rodeodance]

26. He is right. But, I have to believe it will not happen this time.

[flpoljunkie]

61. Cheney, the "disaster" must be kept at bay. He's chomping at the bit to bomb Iran.

[SergeyDovlatov]

28. why the vote then?

Things don't happen by itself.
Politically that was not a good vote to make.
There is some pressure that forces most democrats to go along with Iran war propaganda and I do not understand it.

[Colobo]

32. The important thing is that Carter is right.

[rucky]

38. I trust his interpretation of the bill.

and that "plant" who was dogging Hillary about it.

[Lerkfish]

49. I find it interesting that the same people who complain about criticism of democrats

are quick to criticize Carter.
:shrug:

[PretzelWarrior]

51. I think any show called "The Situation Room" is f***ed up

but that's just me. CNN is a very slim shadow of its former self when Peter Arnett was doing uplinks from Kuwait in 1991.

[Semper_FiFi]

52. Pity he didn't have such prescience during the Iran Hostage Crisis.

I am not "criticizing" Jimmy Carter...I'm just saying...

[PretzelWarrior]

53. don't be a jackass, leatherneck.

if we're talking prescience, why don't you tell us why Bush and Asscroft didn't take seriously the Clinton transition team's warnings on terrorism and why didn't Bush act serious about being a leader instead of continuing to be a drunken fuckup so that thousands of U.S. people perished on American soil?

You have no answer. P.S. Your fraggin' hero, Ronny didn't do much better when confronted with the direct provacation of the Beirut bombings. smoke on that while you have your cognitive dissonance headache.

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[Apollo11]

56. Man, the dude is just asking to be TAZERED !!!

Where were Hillary's goons when she needed them ??? :eyes:

It's their job to stop Carter running his mouth !! ;-)

[BootinUp]

57. Heres the resolution in laymans terms

Bush, Kyl, Lieberman: We want your approval to a policy of using all means including military instruments to stop Iran from affecting the Iraq government.

Senate: We agree with designating the Iranian Guard as a terrorist organization, but do not approve of the use of military instruments against Iran, we believe the US should pursue diplomatic efforts including additional sanctions against the members of the Iranian Guard.


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Has any Republican in elected office claimed this resolution is a justification for a military strike?

[Lerkfish]

60. you know, it still sucks in layman's terms

there is no valid reason to declare the army of another country a "terrorist organization", unless you intend to escalate to invasion.

:shrug:

[BootinUp]

62. Thats where you are wrong

The laws against terrorism in many countries will further isolate the Iranians from trading partners and foreign companies.

[Lerkfish]

63. no, no, I think I'm completely correct about this.

The proof will be when we invade Iran.

[BootinUp]

64. There has been no

ratcheting up of rhetoric for an attack since this resolution passed precisely for the reasons I posted.

[Lerkfish]

65. we will have to disagree on that.