Nancy's Seething???? Too GD Bad...

[monmouth]

for the rest of this article go to www.washingtonpost.com


Smile, Though Your Head Is Aching

By Dana Milbank
Wednesday, October 10, 2007; Page A02

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was in a determinedly good mood when she sat down to lunch with reporters yesterday. She entered the room beaming and, over the course of an hour, smiled no fewer than 31 times and got off at least 23 laughs.

But her spirits soured instantly when somebody asked about the anger of the Democratic "base" over her failure to end the war in Iraq.


Steny Hoyer, left, is not affiliated with the Nancy Pelosi School of Smiling. (By Melina Mara -- The Washington Post)

"Look," she said, the chicken breast on her plate untouched. "I had, for five months, people sitting outside my home, going into my garden in San Francisco, angering neighbors, hanging their clothes from trees, building all kinds of things -- Buddhas? I don't know what they were -- couches, sofas, chairs, permanent living facilities on my front sidewalk."

Unsmilingly, she continued: "If they were poor and they were sleeping on my sidewalk, they would be arrested for loitering, but because they have 'Impeach Bush' across their chest, it's the First Amendment."

Though opposed to the war herself, Pelosi has for months been a target of an antiwar movement that believes she hasn't done enough. Cindy Sheehan has announced a symbolic challenge to Pelosi in California's 8th Congressional District. And the speaker is seething.

"We have to make responsible decisions in the Congress that are not driven by the dissatisfaction of anybody who wants the war to end tomorrow," Pelosi told the gathering at the Sofitel, arranged by the Christian Science Monitor. Though crediting activists for their "passion," Pelosi called it "a waste of time" for them to target Democrats. "They are advocates," she said. "We are leaders."

It was a rather fierce response to the party's liberal base,

[liberal N proud]

1. Going to war with Iraq was a responsible decision?

I think the only responsible thing to do Nancy is get our troops our of harms way.

[zulchzulu]

44. She voted against the war in 2002...

...unlike some other people at the time.

[Kikosexy2]

106. So basically...

Fancy Nancy you're telling the people... us voters..F*#k You!...we'll make sure to oust your lame ass out of office...I'm voting for Cindy...I want political officials who do their job...We've been screaming for impeachment and an end to this illegal war...Well I hope they continue to loiter around her lawn and give her sleepless nights...she earned it...F#*K her!...

[populistdriven]

111. It is time to turn up the heat on Nancy, she's starting to crack!

"fierce response to the party's liberal base"

When has she ever had a fierce response to Bush?

[AndyA]

2. I hate to tell you this, Nancy, but YOU ARE NO LEADER.

You are following the irresponsible actions of President Bush and the Republican Party by continuing to finance this lie of a war.

You are NOT LEADING, you are following.

[aggiesal]

99. I'm sick and tired of our politicians referring to themselves as leaders, ...

"We are leaders." (?)
I don't elect leaders. I know where I'm going, I don't need them to lead me.

I elect representatives. They're are suppose to represent my political beliefs.

I vote for them because they campaign to a set of those core beliefs.

When they campaign to those core beliefs and then they vote against those core
beliefs, they are open for criticism on my part.

The democrats campaigned to end the war. We voted them into office to end the war.
And what do they do? They continue to fund it. This is now their war as well.

I'm beginning to feel like the Dems don't want to end the war so that when they get
the presidency in '08, they can continue to use the same unitary presidential powers
that King George as inacted.

[Spiffarino]

105. .

That isn't leadership. It's leaderSHEEP.

[hobbit709]

3. "We are leaders."

You're not a leader if nobody is following. And the position of leader by definition is the one out front. Sorry Nancy, you are not my leader as long as you cave in to the DLC and the neocons.

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[roguevalley]

16. I loathe her. How did we ever come to this?

[Tesha]

26. In part, by allowing our party to be hijacked by people...

> I loathe her. How did we ever come to this?

In part, by allowing our party to be hijacked by
people whose values are basically the same as
moderate Republicans. We continued to vote for
the candidates put up by these people and so
the shift rightwards just continued.

There's a lesson here, but few Democrats are
willing to accept it (yet).

Tesha

[tridim]

6. Congresspeople aren't supposed to be "leaders"

They're supposed to be REPRESENTATIVES of the people.

[Mythsaje]

11. Right...and this is exactly what they seem to be forgetting...n/t

[cyberpj]

18. There you go. nt

[dmr]

30. Thank you. A remedial class in Civics seems to be needed here.

In her mind, it seems, we are not constituents, but followers?

I am tired of being marginalized by those elected/selected in this country. From 'either you're with us or against us' to the MoveOn slap down in Congress. Yet, they have no problem acquiescing to the special interest groups that donate huge sums of money to their professional and perpetual campaigns and at times, to their personal coffers.

I truly wish we could impose term limits.

[gateley]

33. Too bad you weren't at that lunch - great point. nt

[bdamomma]

36. yes!!!! exactly.

[Canuckistanian]

45. Amen

What part of "We, the People" does she dismiss? The great unwashed?

[tomp]

71. and these are mutually exclusive? nt

[Whoa_Nelly]

98. Sounds rather fascist, doesn't it?

I am the Decider.

We are the leaders.

Read The End of America: Letter of Warning To A Young Patriot by Naomi Wolf
http://www.amazon.com/End-America-Letter-Warning-Patriot/dp/1933392797

Here's an article that provides the basis for her book:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2064157,00.html

Fascist America, in 10 easy steps


From Hitler to Pinochet and beyond, history shows there are certain steps that any would-be dictator must take to destroy constitutional freedoms. And, argues Naomi Wolf, George Bush and his administration seem to be taking them all

<snip>
They were not figuring these things out as they went along. If you look at history, you can see that there is essentially a blueprint for turning an open society into a dictatorship. That blueprint has been used again and again in more and less bloody, more and less terrifying ways. But it is always effective. It is very difficult and arduous to create and sustain a democracy - but history shows that closing one down is much simpler. You simply have to be willing to take the 10 steps.

As difficult as this is to contemplate, it is clear, if you are willing to look, that each of these 10 steps has already been initiated today in the United States by the Bush administration.

Because Americans like me were born in freedom, we have a hard time even considering that it is possible for us to become as unfree - domestically - as many other nations. Because we no longer learn much about our rights or our system of government - the task of being aware of the constitution has been outsourced from citizens' ownership to being the domain of professionals such as lawyers and professors - we scarcely recognise the checks and balances that the founders put in place, even as they are being systematically dismantled. Because we don't learn much about European history, the setting up of a department of "homeland" security - remember who else was keen on the word "homeland" - didn't raise the alarm bells it might have.

more at link

[ChairmanAgnostic]

120. I am the walrus.

I don't think that the word "arrogant" is the right choice. It is both more and less than that.
Every pol who sips the water, breathes the air, and sups the lobbyist meals at the campaign trough inside the bloatway gets the "I"m important" disease, and some get it far worse than others. They usually run for president.

But Nancy is not just arrogant. She is dismissive of an entire (large and growing ever larger) group of voters who disagree with her goals, her tactics and her decisions. That is not arrogance. That is hubris genetically spliced with horse-blinders, merged with a serious error in judgment, combined with spinelessness as it pertains to the GOP Minority, spiced with a love of power and title, and mashed into a delicate pie in a crust of old money.

[mistertrickster]

75. EXACTLY! Doing what Worst President Ever tells you to do is not leading.

Why do they think the American people hired them in 2006?

To just keep doing the same old, same old?

[Norrin Radd]

77. Yep.

"Leaders?" Seriously? You are not "leaders" -- you are supposed to be "representatives."

[flyarm]

5. Nancy ..you took an oath to defend our constitution..how does taking impeachment off the table

defend anything other than the criminals that have broken our laws..in this white house????????

You have an obligation and a responsibility to the constitution Nancy..not to leaders..but to the constitution..and you are failing your oath.

You Nancy, do not have the right to take impeachment off the table..it is your obligation to use impeachment for laws that are broken by this administration and any administration.

You Nancy do not have the right to your seat in congress if you do not abide by your oath of office. If you don't want people protesting you or sitting outside your home..then do your damn job! And obey your oath!



oh and Nancy..when i lived in your state ..i had a homeless guy move in front of my home..in a beat up old car..for over 3 months..he defecated in my yard late at night..and used my hose to shower himself..and in the morning when i would go out the driveway to take my son to school..the man would be passed out in his car with a needle in his leg..or his arm or his belly..( in a neigborhood with multi million dollar homes and high taxes) and i was told by all the authorities they could not remove him..up to including my congress people and the Mayor of Los Angeles...the man's car stunk..as he left food in it in the summer heat..and he was doing drugs every night when he came back to the car..we were prisoners in our home..

Even though this man scared my family..( my son was terrified by this man ) we had no recourse with authorities...until i threatened to light the car on fire..nothing was done about it.

So i am sorry Nancy that people have camped out at your home..but welcome to our world..we the people...

And your problem could be alleviated if you did your damn job and lived up to your oath..

No one made you take that oath Nancy..and if you can not abide by it..leave your job..because you do more harm to this nation by ignoring our constitution and the laws laid out within it.

No one is above the law Nancy...no one.

fly

[beltanefauve]

7. Great response!

Nancy needs to see this, and I wouldn't change a single word. (But would she read it?)

[Freddie Stubbs]

8. Why did voters give her a majority AFTER she promised to take impeachment off the table?

:shrug:

[flyarm]

14. i believe most voters believe she would fullfill her oath and not rethoric

and that once she was able to prove that this adminsitration broke our laws..she would stand for her oath and not them!..after all that is her job and responsibility.

fly

[Freddie Stubbs]

24. So, you beleive that voters gave Democrats the majoirty hoping that Pelosi would break her pledge?

:shrug:

[Cronopio]

57. In this corrupt political system, people do pin hopes on stealth agendas.

How sad - and desperate - of them.

[Martin Eden]

17. Because the repukes stink worse.

Hold your nose and vote for the less malodorous.

[John Q. Citizen]

22. Her voters voted for her and they also passed a pro impeachment initiative on the

the same ballot.

Maybe they love the sinner but not the sin?

[Freddie Stubbs]

25. Or perhaps impeachment is not a very high priority for most Demcorats

[John Q. Citizen]

28. The wasted blood and treasure in the occupation is apparently low priority too. I mean who cares?.

And nobody really cares if bush can spy on their lives, or if they get

thrown in a dungeon minus due process and tortured.

We are still too high and happy over the raise in minimum wage to 7.25 an hour in 2009....woo woo!!!! Happy days are here again.

[Pale Blue Dot]

61. Correlation does not equal causation.

That's Logic 101.

You're assuming that Democrats won a majority only because Pelosi made that pledge. That's a rather gigantic leap to make, and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Got any proof?

[GOTV]

115. Because impeachment is not a priority for most voters n/t

[emsimon33]

20. Right on!!!!

Very well said! Nancy sure showed her true colors. Reminds me of a saying that teachers used to say back when I was teaching: The job would be great if there were no students." Guess Nancy believes that the job would be great if it weren't for the darn American voters.

[Hydra]

9. Too bad I have to log-in for the rest

but this sums it up well, in her own words, no less:

"They are advocates," she said. "We are leaders."

otherwise known as:

"Shut up you nobodies! We are the deciders!"

Sound like anyone else we know? Does she even recognize that her power derives from us?

Oh, wait. Diebold took care of that.

[ShortnFiery]

35. It's sadly ironic that many democrats who are known for LIBERAL values, modify those values

when they achieve positions of authority.

I fear that many of our beloved Democratic Leaders forget what it's like to be an struggling wage earning American. :shrug:

[Triana]

10. My. How arrogant. What are they 'leaders' of? Wars? Impressive. (not) (n/t)

[tex-wyo-dem]

12. Yes, Nancy, you are a true leader...

leading us right into an over-reaching imperialistic death sentence...

[DrDan]

13. what really pisses me off is her statement that

the wishes of the anti-war liberal left to end this war soon is not "responsible".

"We have to make responsible decisions in the Congress that are not driven by the dissatisfaction of anybody who wants the war to end tomorrow"

So, Nancy, putting my Granddaughter into debt for the rest of her life as well as mine is responsible?????????

That really angers me. She has lost any remaining remnants of support I had for her.

[dmosh42]

15. And it's not just the war......

Everybody knows there have been unanswered subpoenas, which in itself is illegal, and incomplete investigations pointing to all kinds of other war crimes, and illegalities, without anyone being held accountable. In that sense Pelosi, and the rest of the Democratic party leadership are co-conspirators with the Bush administration in acting aginst the will of the people.

[formercia]

19. Nancy is a LINO

Leader in name only.

Voters didn't elect her to be Duty Bootie.

[Capn Sunshine]

23. "If they were poor and they were sleeping on my sidewalk, they would be arrested for loitering"

Very Laissez-Faire

Nancy shows her free market credentials in her political commentary

[formercia]

34. There's empathy for ya'

I hope some day she can spend some time as a "poor person" and know what it feels like to wonder when your next meal comes from or how to pay for meds.

What an insensitive statement.

[coalition_unwilling]

59. Pelosi's comment and its obvious classism and condescension is

a perfect illustration of why I plan to never again vote Democratic. Of course, living in Jane Harman's district makes that decision even easier. If you think Pelosi is bad . . . :)

[formercia]

113. Insensitive statements like hers are just ammunition for the opposition.

Some people are their own worst enemy.

[simmonsj811]

21. What would you give

to know that our words were to actually to be heard or read by the elective officials???

[MissDeeds]

27. It won't be long

until we will be able to Google "miserable failure" and see Nancy's smiling face right next to Bush's.

[redqueen]

29. Paraphrased...

"Fuck you guys... we're not interested in even TRYING to stop the occupation, even if the polls DO show support for doing so. So shut the fuck up, and send more money. Suckers."

[Cronopio]

56. Correctamundo! And kudos on the apropos Krishnamurti quote. nt

[Zandor]

31. Nancy's right

There's just a fringe of Democrats that want immediate withdrawl from Iraq. She wasn't elected to do that and she isn't.

[ShortnFiery]

37. "There's just a fringe of Democrats that want immediate withdrawal from Iraq."

My Gawd! What planet do you live on?!? :shrug: It's my understanding that 70% of Americans want an ORDERLY but IMMEDIATE Withdrawal of Troops from the hell hole that is The Iraqi Occupation.

[Zandor]

39. Washington post poll showed 3%

favored immediate withdrawl as opposed to draw downs or staying indefinitely. I am sorry, I can't find the link right now.

Nancy never campaigned on immediate withdrawl.

[Cronopio]

46. "Nancy never campaigned on immediate withdrawl."

Which is why she never was a leader in the anti-war movement, despite her pretensions to the contrary.

She'll stay on her assigned treadmill and in the end achieve nothing, all the while playing the "not enough votes" card.

She's like a quarterback who won't even throw a pass unless a path to the endzone is cleared first.

[Zandor]

54. She isn't Sheehan

Screeching about unrealistic plans.

This is reality.

[ConservativeDemocrat]

41. Your understanding is wrong.

57% want Congress to pass a bill with timetables.
61% want Congress to pass a bill with benchmarks (and if failed) then a timetable
55% are not yet willing to declare the Iraq war "lost"
60% OPPOSE a measure to provide no additional troops and require them to withdraw by next March.


Nanci Pelosi isn't doing what many DUers want. She doing what the American people want.
Understand the difference.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[LoZoccolo]

42. That would be 70% of 59%, or 17.7%.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/09/poll-finds-soli.html

[Zandor]

63. Yep, gotta read carefully n/t

[EstimatedProphet]

80. 70% of 59% is 41%

[LoZoccolo]

40. Yep. n/t

[kenfrequed]

88. Right on!

I mean Some people wanted us out of Iraq within 6-9 months back in January when they took office. Purely a fringe crowd. Pay them no mind.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

100. And trying to convince these folks of that is akin to banging your head against a brick wall

Honestly, I think a lot of these anti-war progressives weren't even paying attention during the campaign. There's definitely some revisionist history going on now. I live in one of those red districts where a Dem unseated a longtime GOPer. Our guy was handpicked by Rahm Emmanuel and NEVER said ANYTHING about ending the war or impeaching Bush on the campaign trail. Yet there's this contingent of anti-war Dems in my district who are howling about how "we elected him to end this war!" Which is bullshit because progressive dems are a small minority in this district. He won because Republicans and Independents voted for him, and while most were unhappy with the way the war is going, ending it was not anywhere near their top priority.

I'm not saying that's right but there you have it. Unless and until the majority of this country demands an end to the war, you are not going to see the Dems in congress ending it.

[Ignis]

129. Disingenuous much?

Way to reframe the debate to your advantage. :applause:

Apparently, the false dillema that you're trying so hard to create is that there are only two options:
1) immediate withdrawal, or
2) withdrawal by Pelosi's timetable

So the only people who want immediate withdrawal are "fringe" Democrats, and every single other "real" Democrat wants withdrawal whenever Pelosi gets around to it.

You really are a piece of work.

[pingzing58]

32. She's pointing out the difference between a Jon Solz and a Adam Kokesh. But you can't have one

without the other. It's a fundamental principle of organizing for justice. Like Hillary, Pelosi is cutting off the hand that brought her to power! Her liberal (DU) base.

[truebrit71]

38. Nancy=Leader? In what alternate universe?

..because, with respect Mme Speaker you haven't led anyone anywhere, other then the Democratic faithful down the garden path...

[zulchzulu]

43. Why the "the chicken breast on her plate untouched"...

Was that supposed to provide some visual that makes us scorn Nancy Pelosi?

As for the people hanging out at Camp Pelosi, they made their point. If it were me, they'd be slapped with a loitering charge. They make those of us who protest the war within legal means look bad. If they want to protest, do it during the day or night...and then leave.

Maybe they can spend time making a magic wand to end the war than making a Buddha.

[Cronopio]

47. Loiterers in her yard are souring her on the progressive cause?

So, if we just get the Buddhas off her lawn and guarantee her all of the votes she'll ever need, she'll actually start getting serious about Iraq??! Or does the Madame have any more demands on her list??

With the likes of her "in charge", it'll take a GD magic wand to end the war.

[txaslftist]

50. "... they'd be slapped with a loitering charge...."

Um.

Where to start?

The reason they haven't been "slapped with a loitering charge" is because what they are doing is perfectly legal. They have a right to do it that was once considered so important that it was number one in a document called a "bill of rights" authored by people who really knew what being "slapped" by authorities meant.

It is designed to make Nancy feel uncomfortable with her caving in and cooperation and refusal to consider impeaching the most outlaw regime this nation has ever known. I'm very glad to see that it is making her uncomfortable, although I'm a bit troubled by her eagerness to see them arrested (and yours).

If she didn't want camp Pelosi on her doorstep, she shouldn't have taken the positions she's taken. There's a price to pay for selling out your base. She's paying it. Good.

[Cronopio]

55. "... eagerness to see them arrested (and yours)"

Where did you get the impression I wanted to see them arrested?

Other than that, well said.

[jgraz]

60. What she said was "If they were poor...they would have been slapped with a loitering charge"

"... but because they have 'Impeach Bush' across their chest, it's the First Amendment."


Hey Nancy: so sorry that the nasty ol' first amendment kept you from having protestors charged with a crime. It really is rough living in a democracy. Thank God you're doing everything within your power to change that.

:banghead:

[chill_wind]

69. Yeah, that tiresome old First Amendment, kinda like the Geneva Conventions, has become so passe'.

Well said!

[jgraz]

70. quaint, even.

:freak:

[creeksneakers2]

110. Sounds more like

harassment than protest.

[ProudDad]

48. "It was a rather fierce response to the party's liberal base"

Understandable since if she ever were a "liberal", that's been burned out of her.

"Power corrupts, Absolute power corrupts absolutely."

And, after all, she is one of the richest House members.

"The Pelosi family has a net worth of over US$25 million, primarily from Paul Pelosi's investments. In addition to their large portfolio of jointly owned San Francisco Bay Area real estate, he also has millions of dollars in stock from publicly traded companies such as Microsoft, Amazon.com and AT&T. In 2003, the Pelosi family sold their eight-acre (three hectare) Rutherford vineyard. Pelosi continues to be among the richest members of Congress."

Let's see;

AT&T -- and she's getting ready to indemnify them from lawsuits and criminal sanctions for their participation in illegal wire-tapping... Just a coincidence, right? :evilfrown:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3023269

[txaslftist]

49. Well, we put her in power, she no longer needs us.

We're the little people now, and we can go to hell.

Sorry to find out that Nancy Pelosi is nothing more than a two-bit cheap packet of ambition.

[Stinky The Clown]

51. ..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2014303

[KoKo]

52. Milbank portrays Nancy upset about disruptors building Buddah's on her lawn...

Milbank portrays a disdain Nancy has for the demonstrators who are making a mess of the peace of her home and lawn.

Milbank seems to be saying Nancy doesn't like the "dirty hippies" out there protesting. I expected better from her...but I've also heard her laugh inappropriately at the Dem 2004 Convention in her speech which was a disappointment. I still thought it was that she was nervous...and yesterday she stumbled over her words on the Ed Schultz show when asked about accountability for Bush from Congress.

I don't know what her problem is...but she's in a powerful position and if she's nervous and bothered by "dirty hippies" trying to give her some spine then there's something very wrong there. Blackmail?

[Cronopio]

53. Her choice of words says so much about her.

"Waste of time." Inflicting the mindset of futility on her base. "You have nowhere to go." No acknowledgment about whether it is right or wrong to try to influence your representative to actually represent your own interests, just that she knows what her constituency needs rather than wants. A very Bushian mindset - "we know what's best for you, so shut up and get off my lawn."

"They are advocates, we are leaders." "They are putzes, we are the pros." "They are just citizens with passion, but YOU are a well-paid, well-connected lobbyist, so it's not futile for YOU to try to influence my vote. Just them. The followers."

She is far too elitist to be a progressive or a leader. The sound of that gavel has gone to her head and she is now just a happy bit part player in a Greek tragedy - light years from being anything close to a leader of anything or anyone. *She's* a follower.

When she gets anywhere near as serious and effective as the Republicans, I'll reconsider. And she's miffed about it, well Madame, I'm a nuclear-bomb-laying MFer, MFer.

[bvar22]

58. Nancy is TOO a LEADER!

She lead the KStreet lobbyists to her office to write a "Secret Free Trade Deal" that she and Rnagel gave directly to Bush without ANY input from Human Rights, LABOR, Environmental Rights, OR the Democratic Caucus.

If you are a BIG Corporate Lobbyist, just follow Nancy!

[itsrobert]

62. If I had to choose between Spineless Nancy and Clueless Cindy

I would have to go with Clueless.

[dpbrown]

64. Hoyer and the rest of the DLC militants have clearly bent her over the couch a few times

Pelosi's been had.

:thumbsdown:

[LittleClarkie]

65. I don't think it's the party's liberal base that's been camped out on her lawn

though it's a pretty fierce response to the "out now" folks.

And I too wonder why they don't target Republicans.

[calteacherguy]

66. Good for her! She's right. nt

[WillyT]

67. Yeah... Apparently She's Way To The Right !!!

And who would have thunk it???

:shrug:

[calteacherguy]

68. She represents mainstream Democratic Party values and principles.

She's a wonderful Speaker.

[SergeyDovlatov]

72. you are kidding, right?

:shrug:

[calteacherguy]

73. No, I'm not kidding.

Take a look outside the DU bubble.

[TankLV]

90. Consider the source - and try to ignore it like I do...

Same crap from the same hole...

[earth mom]

74. Leader = Decider ....Ain't that so Nancy? Looks like Nancy = Bush.

:puke: :puke: :puke:

[lfairban]

76. What is that old saying?

"They are advocates," she said. "We are leaders."

If you have to say you are the leader, you aren't.

[Perry Logan]

78. Well said, Nancy. Everyone can see the anti-war folks are jerkoffs.

[tom_paine]

79. Nancy and the rest of the aristocrats simply loathe the Filthy Unwashed Base

With a few notable exceptions, they view us in nearly the same terms as the Republics do.

[LWolf]

81. Activists are leading the charge for change.

Who is Pelosi "leading," and where is she going?

[jmp]

82. "They are advocates ... We are leaders."

Can you get more full of yourself?

[EV_Ares]

84. lol, looks like after I posted, you & I were in the same train of thought. eom.

[EV_Ares]

83. We are "advocates" & she is a "leader"; she has yet to lead and if

and when she had, it has always been in the wrong direction.

The thing that needs to be done is for all the liberal groups need to get united or even more united than they are and go after these so called leaders that have sold us all out. They used us to get elected then threw us all aside after they got in office.

"NO MORE". we need change not only in the WH and congress but in the DLC control of the dem party as well.

[jmp]

85. Pelosi needs to be removed from office.

That is the only way to send an unmistakable message that is sure to be heard and taken seriously.

[EnviroBat]

86. Take your "leadership" and shove it up your ass!

You mousy turd-sniffing boot-licker. You seem to fancy yourself quite the little princess these days. When it comes to leadership, what the fuck do you care, Pelosi? You've no-doubt got some cushy book deals in the works when all of this pesky congressional business goes away. The honor/privilege of being the first woman speaker of the House. My how you've pissed away the historical significance of THAT! Fuck off and step aside. Let a real leader do the job you narcissistic tool.

[lovuian]

87. Its gratifying to know that her concious has been pricked

and she will be asked over and over again

a waste of time

I don't think so

She really doesn't get it

[BlueJac]

89. She should read the Constitution........

I don't think any of them have. Nancy is a representative not a leader. She thinks she is a leader like the decider.

Sounds like she finally read some of her email!!!!!!!!


Please go away Nancy you leader!!

[lonestarnot]

91. blah blah blah, not her kids.

[Joanne98]

92. I hope she knows that this isn't a fad, it's a trend. Ignore it at your own peril!

[T.Ruth2power]

93. The entire

tone from her is condescending and imperious. She knows better and all of the "well-meaning" children can speak out all they want but now they need to sit back down and let "the leaders" lead.

Pretty gross but standard fare from Peolsi.

[leftofthedial]

94. yeah! And they have *important*, responsible stuff to do in their *real* agenda!

Stuff like, uh . . . umm, uh . . .

oh, yeah! Like have lunch with reporters and talk about how the "democrats" require a supermajority to do anything (for the first time in American history). And like allowing the repuke minority to continue running things. And funding king george's neocolonial, crony-capitalist agenda.

[dbonds]

95. Yeah, screw the people, what do they know.

Only the elite can make the proper decisions.

[Stuckinthebush]

96. I remember getting teary eyed when she took the gavel

Oh, well.

The games politicians play.

Perhaps we can get another resolution condemning an advocacy group like Move On or some such other important legislation.

[jaysunb]

112. that ( me getting teary eyed) pisses me off

more than anything else.

I trusted this woman. Swooned over her when I met in person. Wanted to see Bush/Cheney impeached and have HER as the first female President.

I've had fairly good luck with women throughout my life, but Nancy, is on the short list of those that "jilted" me. :evilfrown:

[bonito]

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[natrat]

101. if it appears they are not selling out ie reversing all the unconstitutional crap that would be ok

[mdmc]

102. make all protesters homeless

then you don't need to end your war.

[Dukkha]

103. "If they were poor...they would be arrested"

so you have no problem throwing homeless in jail for loitering but you can't pull your lying lips off the asses of war criminals long enough to impeach them. I believe we have a new term for you Pelosi" Compassionate Conservative.

[donsu]

104. personally, if strangers went into my garden uninvited I'd be super pissed

no matter what politics they had.

decades ago some people let their golden get in my garden pond and make a mess. I'm still pissed even though I don't even live in that state any longer!

I can understand Nancy on that point.

[backscatter712]

107. Don't like the heat, Nancy, stay out of the kitchen.

Her response to the protesters in front of her house gets a big

:nopity:

from me.

[Demobrat]

108. Okay that's it.

I'm in her district. Sheehan will be getting my vote.

[SlingBlade]

109. Nancy's Seething???? Too GD Bad...AH Ha

Too Friggin Bad !

monmouth, Thanks for the post :headbang:

[monmouth]

128. You're welcome..

[PATRICK]

114. What have we learned

That when the people attempt to lead- as Dems sometimes urge them to make them act-. That when the people use their 4th amendment rights in classic mode they are advocates, not leaders, unwelcome, should be arrested. Waste of time.

What a waste. They could have just sent an e-mail or talked to an impatient aide on the phone. Don't trample the flowers for God's sake. Instead of being ignored they have irked the leaders. Hello, that is exactly what free speech Americans concerned about dying soldiers, innocents and a devastated unrepresentative democracy were trying to do. Oh.

Leaders. Those who do and those who think they are without doing.

[Enthusiast]

116. But but..................

Her hair and makeup look nice.................

Just sayin'

[closeupready]

118. And she wears nice clothing. So right there, we have a leader, right?

I mean, as long as they look good, who cares about the heavy stuff. :crazy:

[closeupready]

117. Yep. Too bad, Nancy. That's the way it goes. Politics is not a tea party.

This is about life-and-death, and people want an end to it. You don't wanna deal with it, you can resign, I suppose. But stop whining.

[alberg]

119. She won't listen unless and until there is an "or else" from us.

The Money is the way to get her attention. My progressive friends and I have started to return every solicitation we get from non- responsive sections of the Democratic Party with the words "No $'s until Impeachment !!!" written in large red letters across the contribution request form. Perhaps a few hundred thousand of these showing up in the mailboxes of the Democratic leadership over the next few months will get their attention. Pass the word and let's see if we can get this to go viral. If they do the right thing and impeach, we can always double our contributions later on to make up for the "missing" money.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

122. FOLKS, wait a sec.

all this venting is doing is causing her to rethink ever giving another interview again. other than a hastert like comentary, seeing this rabid response to her inane comments, she will stop all communications with the democratic left and anti-war folks. Watch for it. It will be a bunker mentality. And soon, that bunker mentality will spread to other DLC folks. (if it hasn't already)

To those who still maintain that we have the wrong target, and that we should be attacking the GOP, not Nancy, think for a bit. The GOP is already so loony-tunes and batshit insane, that Guilliani just hired The Head Neocon (who conspired with Feith and Cheney on Iraq) to run his foreign policy decision- making AND RUDY'S THE MOST MODERATE OF THE GOP CANDIDATES! We have no need at all to talk about the GOP, because they are so fucking crazy, they will do our job for us. The problem remains Nancy and Harry, and Rahm and Steny, and others.

[f the letter]

121. That last part about how it's useless for activists to, er, be activists

is pretty mind-numbing to read. Did she honestly say this?

And how do we go about throwing a speaker out on her useless complicit ass anyhow? Any referendum or pretzel-sending campaigns possible?

[Spiffarino]

123. I'm sick of her and all "entitled" officeholders

They are no more deserving of leadership positions than any of us. The only difference is that either they have money and influence, or are in league with somebody who has. We have to break the cycle, starting with her and her ilk.

In my district it's so-called "Blue Dog" Heath Shuler. In yours it may be somebody else. Work hard for and spend money on their opponents in the primary. If enough of them lose their seats we may yet make an impression.

As long as they keep getting re-elected without a challenge, we'll be stuck with Hoyers and Pelosis forever. Support real progressives in the primaries.

[ElboRuum]

124. WRONG! You are WRONG Nancy!

"They are advocates," she said. "We are leaders."

No, Nancy, you've got this ALL WRONG.

WE ARE VOTERS. YOU ARE EMPLOYEES.

[BobTheSubgenius]

125. "They are advocates," she said.

"We are leaders."

Gosh, what a refreshing change from the high-handed dismissiveness on the right.

[Hawkowl]

126. Obviously

It all makes sense now. She's under the mistaken impression that one can lead, even if no one is following.

[rpannier]

127. Screw you Pelosi

With leadership like that on this issue...I'll take the advocates everytime.

I'm surious why she's so willing to listen (and act) to the advocates for corporate interests...