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anti-NAFTA Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:17 PM
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Dean supporters have two respectable choices as far as the primaries go.
1. Support Edwards.
2. Support Kucinich.

I was a Dean supporter until the day before yesterday when it became clear that his campaign was dying. I've decided to endorse Edwards, and I strongly suggest that all Dean supporters do the same. Kerry has distracted us from the issues and making everyone focus on image. What he has done to Dean makes him particularly disagreeable to me. I'll support him in the general election, but I'd rather not have him as the nominee.

Just please support Edwards or at least Kucinich.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:17 PM
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1. Support Dean
that's what I'm going to do with my vote in my primary.
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Habibi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:18 PM
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2. Yup
Same here. If the man's still on the ballot, he's getting my vote.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:27 PM
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10. What state do you live in?
I think he should still be on the ballot. I know he is in my state of CT. So Dean gets my vote. I've been waiting a year and a half to pull the lever for the doctor.
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joefree1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:31 PM
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12. Gonna vote for the Doctor here in California
The Doctor's backbone transplant on the Democratic party was a success. Thanks Doc!
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:32 PM
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13. Great. Keep the support and
the mission alive. Thanks for your vote in advance.
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Habibi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:40 PM
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17. New York
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:45 PM
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24. Please consider voting for Dean if
he was your first choice. Just b/c Dean is no longer campiaging we can still send a message with a vote for the doctor.
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Habibi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 08:02 PM
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31. Er
I believe I said that was my intention.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 08:04 PM
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33. Sorry. Guess I've been on here too long
tonight or I'm not reading things closer. I thought you were someone else. Guess I should look at the screen name. Sorry, again.
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Habibi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 08:20 PM
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34. Fuggedabowdit!
No prob. I do that kind of thing myself. :hi:
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:21 PM
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Agree, voting Clark myself.
DNC, media + some Iowa cowpokes will not take away MY right to vote.
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:19 PM
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3. correction: FIRST choice vote Dean in the primaries/abb in the ge
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:19 PM
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4. You left one out: Vote for Dean.
If you really want to send a message to the convention, let them see strong Dean support even after he stops campaigning. Let them know that it was the message, not the man.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:20 PM
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5. How is Edwards respectable? Voted for all the crap Kerry did PLUS
the SYRIA WAR ACT, the bankruptcy law and brags of authoring the Patriot act. (Check the links before poo-poo-ing)

He not only voted for the Patriot act, but authored it . He is proud enough of that to include this embarrassing exchange in his literature:

Patriot Act is being abused by the Attorney General
Q: The PATRIOT Act is two years old. There has been criticism of John Ashcroft for enforcement of legislation you authored. Shouldn't those who wrote the legislation take responsibility?
EDWARDS: There are provisions, which get no attention, which did good things. The reason we need changes is because it gave too much discretion to an attorney general who does not deserve it. The attorney general told us that he would not abuse his discretion. He has abused his discretion. We know that now.
Source: Democratic Presidential 2004 Primary Debate in Detroit Oct 27, 2003
http://www.issues2000.org/2004/John_Edwards_Civil_Rights.htm

Also, in his Senate press relase he bragged:

http://edwards.senate.gov/press/2001/oct26-pr.html
October 26, 2001

"This will strengthen our nation's ability to prevent future terrorist attacks," said Senator John Edwards, who worked on the legislation as a member of the Judiciary Committee and the Select Committee on Intelligence.
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Zardeenah Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:50 PM
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28. Congress needs to quit trusting others with their discretion...
What an awful pattern...'We trusted Ashcroft, but he abused the power we gave him' 'We trusted GWB, but he abused the power we gave him'

Wake up, Congress! The framers gave you power for a reason -- individuals are not to be trusted with our liberties! Congress needs to take responsibility for itself, and debate things in public, with records taken of votes. No more abdicated authority!

On the theme of this thread: I strongly encourage Dean people to check out Dennis Kucinich. www.kucinich.us. He is also a man of principle and passion. And maybe if he suddenly gets a bunch of support, the media will cover it (Pigs can fly, right?) and all of the progressive issues championed by Dean (whether or not his record bears them up is another question, which I have no opinion on right now, he at least spoke passionately for them) could get carried forward in a positive way.

Also remember that if nobody has 50% of delegates at the convention, anybody can win, so every Dean delegate at the convention can still make a difference.

But please check out Dennis.

Susan
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:20 PM
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6. Dean is still on the ballot so my vote goes to him
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:21 PM
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7. I made the same decision you did.
:hi:
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:23 PM
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9. Was it Patriot Act or Saddam=OBL that convinced you?
He thinks the Iraq war is ear on terrorism, WMD are irrelevant :

"Can I just go back a moment ago -- to a question you asked just a moment ago? You asked, I believe, Senator Kerry earlier whether there's an exaggeration of the threat of the war on terrorism.
"It's just hard for me to see how you can say there's an exaggeration when thousands of people lost their lives on September the 11th."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/transcripts/debatetranscript29.html

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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:35 PM
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14. It's that he's anti-Nafta and NOT John Kerry, and...
... actually stands a chance at being nominated.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:41 PM
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18. Why? because GOP-ers voted for him in the primary?

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/primaries/pages/epolls/WI/index.html


Voters who are satisfied with the Bush Administration:
52% Edwards, 23% Kerry

Voters who are enthusiastic about * Administration:
33% Edwards, 10% Kerry

Conservatives voted Edwards, pro-Iraq voted Edwards

Those who are looking to beat Bush:
28% Edwards, 59% Kerry.

Rush was also praising Edwards today. Safire too.
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anti-NAFTA Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:45 PM
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23. That's good.
It means Edwards has crossover appeal. Chances are the majority of voters weren't voting Edwards because he was unelectable. The average voter doesn't do that sort of tricky stuff.

O'Reilly praised Kerry a month ago. How's that, friend?
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:23 PM
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8. some of us believe that
Edited on Wed Feb-18-04 07:24 PM by dsc
supporting our friends who are running for delegate to be respectable, too bad you don't think loyalty is respectable.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:28 PM
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11. Good comeback
Loyalty is highly respectable in my book, which is why I will still vote for Dean.
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anti-NAFTA Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:36 PM
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15. Give me a break.
Seriously, wake up. Kerry is about to steer our party so far to the center that even if we do win we won't have a true liberal in office. And my ABB principles are more important than your loyalty stuff because Edwards can win; Kerry has less of a chance.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:39 PM
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16. I'm not saying I am supporting Kerry
I will vote for him if he is the nominee but I plan on voting for Dean in my primary.

"And my ABB principles are more important than your loyalty stuff"


Are you saying that my loyalty is not important? That's how it sounds to me. Please clarify.
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anti-NAFTA Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:42 PM
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19. Yes.
Loyalty to leftist ideals is what got so many people to vote for Nader. Don't make Howard Dean the Nader of the primaries. He dropped out; it's finished.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:44 PM
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22. I wouldn't vote third party for this election
But Howard Dean's vision and mission will never be "finished". Loyalty in all facets of life means a lot to me. Please don't insult me.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:44 PM
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20. Edwards can make a deal with Dean
otherwise, I'll vote Dean or Kucinich in NY... I'm really voting Kucinich.
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:44 PM
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21. If you're interested in having a liberal in office, it might be well to
check Edwards's credentials more closely. Some people seem to be bringing up evidence that suggests Edwards, for all the fact he's a 'nice guy' is very far from a nice liberal guy.
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anti-NAFTA Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:46 PM
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25. It's Edwards or Kerry for me
and Edwards is more anti-NAFTA than Kerry. End of story.
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:47 PM
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26. You left out one
True blue Dean supporters will vote for Dean in the primaries. I believe he made it on all 50 states' ballots.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:54 PM
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30. And I plan on voting for Dean n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:47 PM
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27. Dean asked his supporters to vote in the primaries for him.
http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/003777.html#more

SNIP..."DEAN: I am no longer actively pursuing the presidency. We will, however, continue to build a new organization, using our enormous grassroots network, to continue the effort to transform the Democratic Party and to change our country. And I...

(APPLAUSE)

And speaking to all of you and all of the hundreds of thousands of people around America who are going to get this word, either by the establishment media...

(LAUGHTER)

... or the Internet, I have some things that I specifically want to ask of our supporters.

First, keep active in the primary. Sending delegates to the convention only continues to energize our party. Fight on in the caucuses. We are on the ballots. Use your network to send progressive delegates to the convention in Boston. We are not going away. We are staying together, unified -- all of us.


He "suspended" his candidacy, is still viable in the primaries.

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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:53 PM
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29. Which is what I indend to do
Vote for Dean!!!!
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nradisic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 08:02 PM
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32. Dean!
I have to vote on principle and conscience...I've been a supporter of Gov. Dean's since November 2002. We've come a long way and I cannot switch my alegiance to anyone...My vot is my voice and I will not be silenced. My primary vote goes to Howard DEan in the last in the nation primary in NJ, and I will vote for whomever the Democratic nominee is, fully aware that he is better than Bush, but not the best candidate. Howard Dean formed the debate on the issues, gave a backbone and a clear voice to the Democratic Party agenda (which both Kerry and Edwards have co-opted and brought energy, excitement and passion to our cause. I am running as a delegate for Dean in the NJ primary and will hopefully get a chance to go to the convention with Gov. Dean to make sure that our voices are heard and that we are included in the Democratic Party platform for the future.People Power. Whatever it takes...

Howard Dean 2004
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 08:55 PM
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35. Edwards = Kerry
But younger, and he smiles more. They are both dedicated capitulators, eager for personal political gain. The two ACTUAL respectable choices in the primaries are:

1) Dean
2) Kucinich
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GodHelpUsAll2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 09:14 PM
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36. 8 hours later
Edited on Wed Feb-18-04 09:14 PM by GodHelpUsAll2
and both sides are lobbying for Dean supporters. LOL Yesterday we were the enemy and taking aways their votes. Still voting for Dean in the primaries.
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