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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 04:05 PM
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Obama Hits My Red Button: Eliminating ALL Nuclear Weapons
I have been waiting many a year for a candidate to put themself this far out on the branch. I was thrilled in 2004 that Kerry went so far in his own candidacy toward reducing nuclear weapons - I knew that the issue was big with him long before he entered the Senate.

To me, there are aspects of the war on global terrorism that don't make it to the forefront because shriveled and flabby politicians in their suits want to prove how "tough" they are.

Basically, in Washington and beyond, peace is considered a four-letter word.

Although I readily admit that limited military actions are inevitable and useful, we can only win the war on terror by addressing the sources and taking on the slow and thankless battle - the kind that doesn't play well in a CNN action clip - to win the hearts and minds of the Arab world.

A large aspect of that struggle is improving the quality of life for people there, bolstering the middle class over years through economic reforms, aid packages and education. Of course, we cannot allow for the use of torture, needless civilian casualties, cowboy unilateralism and other activities that eat away at the soul of our country and destroy our international reputation.

Another key part of winning the war on terrorism involves reducing the global presence of nuclear weapons. On one hand, it makes us safer by limiting the chances of weapons falling in the wrong hands. But a second benefit is the change in both our own defensive, nihilistic mentality and the perception of our country as trying to limit other country's weapons while we build up our own - especially given that we are the only country ever to use such weapons on large civilian populations.

Very few Americans would suggest that they are in search of the Kumbaya type of peace, in fact that catchy little tune is almost always brought up simply to renounce it. I consider myself very much a realist, but I believe you can truly promote non-violent, diplomatic solutions and reduce the number of weapons changing hands in the global arms trade.

Alot of America's resistance to such measures has to do with our own disconnect as a people with the human realities of our political decisions. I think we tend to see things rather comfortably as metaphors and through the filter of our ironic detachment, except perhaps when the occasional Katrina shocks us out of our "media saavy" haze.

It does my heart good to see a candidate with the courage to take on all the symbolic chest-beating that goes on in Washington, which the public continues to encourage for related reasons.

I missed it initially, but earlier this week there was an article in the NYTimes earlier this week reporting that Obama was pushing for not just the reduction of nuclear weapons, but openly setting a goal of eliminating ALL nuclear weapons in the world - the kind of idea that pundits and other such knuckleheads immediately label "dangerously naive."

Senator Barack Obama will propose on Tuesday setting a goal of eliminating all nuclear weapons in the world, saying the United States should greatly reduce its stockpiles to lower the threat of nuclear terrorism, aides say.

Mr. Obama, according to details provided by his campaign Monday, also will call for pursuing vigorous diplomatic efforts aimed at a global ban on the development, production and deployment of intermediate-range missiles.

His speech was to come one day after an announcement by the Bush administration that it had tripled the rate of dismantling nuclear weapons over the last year, putting the United States on track to reducing its stockpile of weapons by half by 2012.

If elected, Mr. Obama plans to say, he will lead a global effort to secure nuclear weapons and material at vulnerable sites within four years. He also will pledge to end production of fissile material for weapons, agree not to build new weapons and remove any remaining nuclear weapons from hair-trigger alert.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/02/us/politics/02obama.html?_r=1&ref=politics&oref=login


I am glad to see my enthusiasm over his earlier battle with Sen. Clinton over the potential use of nuclear weapons to eliminate a terrorist cell was not unfounded. Kudos for taking the right issues on the offensive, rather than trying to out-posture cowboy conservatives.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 04:10 PM
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1. Obama has made some strides with me lately
I'm feeling slightly more comfortable with him as my second choice.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 04:24 PM
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2. I'm afraid he's still at #3 for me
but yes, this hits an important button for most of us who grew up under the shadow of the bomb, especially those of us during the duck & cover days of the 1950s.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 04:25 PM
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3. What part of "mutually assured destruction" does he not get?
Although, now that Russia has invented a bomb that destroys as much WITHOUT nasty radiation, the A-bomb may just be passe.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 04:29 PM
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4. You're an advocate of the policy of MAD?
Get real. We need to start working together yesterday before global warming really clobbers us. What is the sense of spending all that money for a weapon we don't ever dare use? Worse yet, why spend all that money to have weapons for a jackass like Bush to use? You do know he is planning on using nuclear weapons in Iran before the end of his term?
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 05:33 PM
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8. Actually, the new Russian bomb is still well below most nukes in yield. NT
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 04:34 PM
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5. FYI - Edwards said this a while ago
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pingzing58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 04:57 PM
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6. Eliminating Nukes is not a unilateral decision. So many countries are involved. He should have
proposed a multilateral reduction in nuclear weapons. It's not new and it would work. Who are the idiots advising him. Because such a statement is indefensable, opens him to attack from a historical and practical point of view, and only shows him to lack experience. I would put his advisors in the unemployment line behind the hundreds of morgage agents and Matel lead-in-my-toys dealers. WTF don't make another mistake dude.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 11:00 PM
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9. Under the NPT, the nuclear weapons states committed to abolition decades ago:
and a lot of non-nuclear countries are unhappy the promise has not been kept.

So Edwards is really saying he'll honor a long-established agreement
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 03:56 AM
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16. Read his speech. Obama supports a multilateral approach.
I thought Obama's speech on Tuesday was the best speech of the campaign until now. By any candidate.

You can read it here: www.barackobama.com/speeches

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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 05:12 PM
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7. We can't use them. Period. Get rid of them now. nt
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 11:06 PM
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10. Has as much chance of happening as proposing to
eliminate all weapons. On second thought, why didn't he propose that?
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 11:07 PM
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11. Shit, dude. You seem to dislike the guy for real.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 02:57 AM
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15. C'mon now, how can you "put the genie back in the bottle?"
It is a plan I would expect from Kucinich not someone who is running second for the nomination.

The technology is out there, the materials are out there, and if we would be foolish enough to destroy all of ours in the hope that everyone else does too and no one will ever make another one- we would deserve the consequences.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 11:14 PM
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12. I applauded his speech and to lay out an agenda to eleminate nukes.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 11:33 PM
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13. Damn right its about time, he scored some points w me on this one
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penguin7 Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 11:43 PM
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14. Kucinich led on this issue
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