Presidential Preference Poll *post Dean*

[wheresthemind]

I was sad to see Dean go... just as I was sad to see all of the other great Democrats who ran drop out.

I believe we will win this election no matter the nominee and would love to see any of them in the White House.

I personally hope Sharpton drops and endorses Dennis... that could make for a very interesting 3 way race!

Sorry if this is a dupe... I looked for a new poll all over before posting this!

KEEP THIS KICKED!

[JohnLocke]

1. And for those who are going to post someone who's dropped: Please don't.

[JohnLocke]

3. Kick

[goobergunch]

26. My choice reflects that of the Pennsylvania ballot

KUCINICH, DENNIS J. (DEM)
LAROUCHE, LYNDON H. JR. (DEM)
DEAN, HOWARD (DEM)
EDWARDS, JOHN (DEM)
KERRY, JOHN F. (DEM)

http://www.dos.state.pa.us/bcel/lib/bcel/petitionfiling/petition_filers.pdf

(Apologies for all caps, but it's that way on the Sec'y of State's site.)

Dean is on the ballot, and I will support him.

[boobooday]

2. I was sad to see all the candidates

I'm sorry any candidates had to drop out. Why can't we have a real debate?

Okay, so I'm not sorry Lieberman bowed out. But the rest I miss.

http://www.wgoeshome.com

[wheresthemind]

4. wow....

talk about unexpected resuslts!

GO GO DENNIS!

[MuseRider]

5. Kick up!

[Paulie]

7. Not unexpected

Dennis always does well on the ISSUES here. :)

[wheresthemind]

6. ..... no one wants to keep this kicked?

Maybe if I say something contriversial then everyone will start talking... hmm.....

Kucinich is a Democratic plant to steal the race from the democrats!

think about it! BWA HAHAHAHAH

[bobthedrummer]

8. it's interesting enough

that it is...

[GumboYaYa]

9. Wow, maybe Dean and Kucinich should have consolidated

efforts earlier in the campaign. It seems like Kucinich was number 2 for a lot of Dean supporters.

[Desertrose]

11. strangely enough, I think DK was #2 for a lot of other suppporters

well, maybe not so strange....

I wonder what the race would be looking like if everyone had not bought into the stupid line about DK not being electable and actually supported him and worked to help him ......(hells bells- he was elected numerous times wasn't he? duh!)

anyhow...GO DENNIS!!!! :yourock:

good poll wtm :)

Peace
DR

[ConservativeDemocrat]

10. I will vote for the Democratic nominee...

Whichever of the last two unelectable saps it happens to be:

- Kerry, who has no credibility in balancing budgets, and voted against just about every single weapons program in the last 20 years (a fave idea among D.U.ers I'm sure, but believe me, a liability in the general election).

- Edwards, the ultra-inexperienced but ever so nice trial lawyer. (Again, not a bigee in the D.U., but a major problem in the G.E.)


Now will I give CASH to these guys like I did Dean? That remains to be seen. I want to see where they stand post GOP convention. No sense in throwing good money after bad.

- C.D.

[wheresthemind]

12. bump

[anti-NAFTA]

13. Crap. I accidentally voted for Kerry

I can't believe myself.

I want a recount!!!!!!!

[mdmc]

33. LOL

I'll vote DK for you.

[Kathleen04]

14. Wow, divided almost in exact 3rds n/t

[MuseRider]

15. This will be interesting

to look at later. I am bookmarking it before I leave just in case it drops. Hmmmmm.

[no name no slogan]

17. kick

[regnaD kciN]

16. My new avatar...

...says it all.

[wheresthemind]

18. Really wish Sharpton would drop...

I think Dennis could pick up a state or two with Dean and Sharpton supporters!

[Nadienne]

69. Sharpton won't drop

http://lists.democracygroups.org/pipermail/rightwatch/2004q1/000216.html

"Roger Stone, the longtime Republican dirty-tricks operative
who led the mob that shut down the Miami-Dade County recount
and helped make George W. Bush president in 2000, is
financing, staffing, and orchestrating the presidential
campaign of Reverend Al Sharpton."

and

"Sharpton recently rebuffed an appeal by DNC chair Terry
McAuliffe to join a post-primary March 25 event to support
the nominee, sending a letter saying he would attend but
would also "continue to campaign vigorously until the last
day of the convention." He has also repeatedly vowed that he
would speak on prime-time TV during the July convention,
saying party leaders would decide "whether that's inside the
hall or out in the parking lot," threatening demonstrations
unless granted exposure guaranteed to turn off many voters.
Stone terminated a 45-minute Voice interview shortly after
he was asked about any involvement he might have had with
the letter to McAuliffe, saying he was "not characterizing
my conversations with Sharpton," though he freely did in a
recent Times interview."

[mandyky]

19. Dean is still in the running

and I plan on voting for him in my primary. I voted undecided, because I am truly unsure what I'll do for the GE and wasn't sure what you were pollong for...

[wheresthemind]

20. you don't have a second choice?

[ozone_man]

23. 2nd choice is for Kucinich,

but Dean still gets my primary and GE votes. So where does the 2nd choice come in I ask? If DK can muster more than Dean's percentage (~15%) by the primary, then I would consider him. But until then, Dean gets my protest vote. :-)

On a darker note, I wonder if DK was in the race (or was used) to steal left votes from Dean, but it's sort of water over the dam now. He certainly is a great voice for the left.

Put Dean back in your poll and see how DK does. BTW, I think Dean is still on the ballots, no?

[goodhue]

24. the draft Kucinich movement began on February 17, 2002

well before Dean entered the race. If you don't know what happened on that date, then you don't know much about Dennis John Kucinich.

[wheresthemind]

25. Prayer for America baby...

wooo

[ozone_man]

28. Jog my memory.

What did happen on 2/17/02? You're right about not knowing much about DK. I like what he says, just hate to see him syphoning votes off of Dean, who really could have been elected.

I come from a state where we have elected the only socialist to congress, but we're not trying to get him elected for president. We love Bernie Sanders where he is, and I personally would like to see him as a president. Just not going to happen, nor would he try. I've heard that DK was in the race more as a prelude to a senate run. If he drops out after Ohio, then that would lend some credence to that theory.

[revcarol]

37. He's in it until the convention. On the ballot in all 50 states.

And I love Bernie. My ideal setup would be Kucinich/ Sanders.!!You've got such a treasure there. I'm jealous...I have slug Domenici.DK belongs as President, if not there, as Speaker of the House.

Why should he go to the Senate, a more elite club, when he represents "the people.?"

[no name no slogan]

44. He was drafted to run for Prez after the "Prayer for America" speech

He received thousands of emails and letters from people who either heard or read the speech, asking him to run for President.

On February 17, 2003, he declared that he was setting up his exploratory committee for a presidential campaign.

I imagine if he was drafted to run for the Senate, he may very well have done that. However, he wasn't drafted for that-- he was drafted to run for president.

I've heard arguments that DK was a foil to syphon off liberal votes from Dean, but it doesn't really hold up to criticism, IMHO. Dean and Kucinich, while similar on many issues, were quite different on many other substantive points.

DK is against most wars, while Dean was only against this war. DK advocates cutting the pentagon budget, while Dean would leave it largely intact. Kucinich advocates a government-sponsored universal healthcare plan, while Dean's was based on a mix of public and private coverage. DK would repeal NAFTA, while Dean originally supported it and would only "modify" it.

I think many of Dean's supporters may have agreed with DK on more issues, but were supporting Dean because he seemed electable. Mind you, I'm not saying ALL of them, but many of them have even stated as much to me personally and on these boards.

Either way, we're all on the same team now. We want a change not only in the party, but in the country. And we can do a lot of cooperating to get that done.

[mandyky]

29. Not for the primary

I'm with Dean until after the convention. Dean is not out of the race, BTW!!

[Darranar]

21. Dennis J. Kucinich.

[goodhue]

22. yes

That was my vote too.

[many a good man]

27. DK. Why break my string?

Why mess up my unbroken string of voting for the losing Democratic candidate in every primary since 1980?

God save our party!

[JasonBerry]

30. Not sure what this means

At 8:38 PM est on 2-19-04 the poll shows Dennis Kucinich at 75%.

I always knew that DU was out of the mainstream - but wow! A 1-3% candidate pulling 75% at DU?

Shall we order some take-out veggies, put on some Enya, all meditate together as we offer an olive branch (in peace) to Osama bin Laden?

Wow.

[goodhue]

31. you have no clue

about Dennis John Kucinich

[JasonBerry]

34. I don't?

I know more than I ever want to know about Dennis the Menace. I knew him well in 1979. He was the boy mayor of Cleveland and in WAYYY over his head then. He still is.

[goodhue]

45. sorry to insult

I merely meant to suggest that Kucinich's values are mainstream from my perspective. Please forgive any disrespect.

[Paulie]

35. And you're very insulting

The only thing we should be offering Osama is a fair Trial and a long prison term.

GTH!!!!!

[JasonBerry]

38. I was being sarcastic

This is WAR and we owe Osama no trial. We owe him a quick and speedy end. Prison term? NO WAY.

[no name no slogan]

40. Yeah, fcuk the rule of law, fcuk international co-operation,...

because "you're either with us or you're against us", right?

Yeah, we all know how well that's working out for us. :eyes:

[Zhade]

36. This is one of the all-time most ignorant, obnoxious posts I've ever read.

NT!

[JasonBerry]

39. Care to explain why?

Dennis Kucinich is known as a vegetarian. He loves new age music. He thinks that peace is our "only" weapon of choice. How am I being obnoxious? Kucinich walked right out of central casting for a man stuck in the sixties running for president in the 21st century.

[no name no slogan]

41. You need to go back to school

He thinks that peace is our "only" weapon of choice

No he does not. He has stated, repeatedly, that the US should defend itself when attacked and faced with a plausable threat. He has ALSO stated that we should always keep the principle of peace at the forefront of our dialogue with the international community.

Unfortunately you insist on spreading lies and misinformation about the only candidate who voted AGAINST the Patriot Act and the IWR, and who has put forth bills for a cabinet-level Department of Peace-- an idea that so "radical" that even George Washington supported the concept.

Maybe you should learn more about Dennis Kucinich and his platform before spread such flagrant misinformation about him.

[JasonBerry]

42. I KNOW Kucinich

I know Dennis Kucinich, okay? I know him personally - and have since 1979. How long have you known Dennis Kucinich? I need to "go back to school"?? Is there now a KUCINICH 101 class at Berkeley?

[charlie]

43. Okay, what's the deal then?

You were not long ago rapturous about Kucinich -- annoyingly so. I used to watch with dismay as you got into huge dustups with people who didn't like the man. Dennis was the alpha and omega, gonna change the world... now he's "waayyy" out there and in other threads you're lecturing us backers of a "fringer" for pulling "sanctimonious stuff." Did the hypno-mojo he pulled on you wear off and you suddenly remembered he stole your sweetheart in 1979? What?

[NewYorkerfromMass]

46. I admit I do come to DU for laughs, and I am LMAO on that one

not that I agree but it's pretty funny. And you say you knew Kuch since HS? Pretty cool. But still I don't see Dennis as the caricature you make him out to be.

[Zhade]

49. No need to explain. Your follow-up post does it for me.

NT!

[Tinoire]

64. Oh barf

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[mikehiggins]

32. Clark eom

[goodhue]

47. keep it kicked

for a most excellent sample

[wheresthemind]

48. wooo

[dpbrown]

50. Dennis is the natural for anyone seeking a "change" candidate

As someone else wrote tonight, he's "an activist working from the inside."

Let's reward his efforts.

DPB

[MuseRider]

51. I just got home

and I see this! OK, so why are there threads asking to have DK excluded from the debates?

[pezcore64]

52. bump

someone should inform dennis hes officially won the DU primary ;)

[Feanorcurufinwe]

53. Proof that DK is electable

if DU is the electorate.

[Desertrose]

54. or when people get to hear his message

hard to choose when you are not aware of the man or what he stands for....

Peace
DR

[Feanorcurufinwe]

55. Coincidentally

DUers have heard

[diamondsoul]

56. Wee hours of the morning kick n/t

[wheresthemind]

57. GO GO DENNIS!

[robbedvoter]

58. In November, I'll vote the nominee. The least disastruous - Kerry

It will not be a vote FOR Kerry - but against Bush.

[jumptheshadow]

59. Hehehehe

So when do we start hearing the complaints about the infiltrators being sent over by the Kucinich campaign?

Please note: I voted for Kucinich. I must be a Clark AND a Kucinich operative. :)

[goodhue]

60. kick

[DemCam]

61. Certainly shows how DU

stacks up in the grand scheme of things. After that conclusion...I admit I'm at a loss about any other meaning to be drawn from this poll. I'll be interested in tracking the results as we go along.

Today is still a day of grief for a lot of people on the board, so the results will change after the next set of elections, no doubt.

[Jai4WKC08]

62. I have no great love for Kerry

But Kerry obviously has the best chance of beating Bush in November.

The only reason Edwards is getting so much positive free media is because the Repubs know he'd be an easier target. He just hasn't got the experience to lead the nation (not that Bush does, but way too many people won't see it that way). The Repubs would back Kucinich or Sharpton if they thought either had a prayer of winning the nomination, but Republicans are realists. Unlike a lot of people voting in this poll.

My candidate is out of the race, but I'll stand for him in our state caucus in March anyway. Then it'll be Kerry all the way, with the fervent hope he's smart enough to pick the right VP.

Of course, if it turns out Edwards is the nominee, I'll vote for him, for all that it'll matter. ABB

[bobthedrummer]

63. Kucinich kick.

:dem:

[twilight]

65. big kick for DK!!!! :) :) :)

Surprised yes! Have I voted already? YES! For who? Dennis J. Kucinich that is who (the only REAL Democrat running for President of the United States of America - MY America!!!!). :D





:dem: :kick:

[goodhue]

66. kick for contrast

to some other poll asking same thing.

[goodhue]

67. kick for friday

[LibInternationalist]

68. 3-way race?

Kucinich does not have a CHANCE of winning at this point (or at any other point, for that matter) -- it is unreasonable to expect him to do anything

[goodhue]

70. not unreasobable

to expect Kucinich to exceed expectations

[pezcore64]

72. perhaps

that mite be truth, except this poll definitely gives you an idea of where all the internet dean supporters are going, so it should be a cause of alarm to the other people running, but thats okay. Id rather them just ignore it and let kucinich be the 2nd person in the 'two man race' that isnt even a real one, only a media produced one.

[youngred]

73. and yet he has done a lot

more attack pessimism on DK

[dweller]

71. Up, up little poll...

:kick:


dp