Some Kerry folks scared?

[Meldread]

Looking around the board I see a lot of Kerry folks (thankfully not all) running around trying to slap Edwards down. It's rather funny because they are mostly pulling out the old conspiracy theories they used on Dean.

Although the ironic thing is, those conspiracy theories started because Republican Strategists were saying Bush wanted Dean to win. Some of those same Strategists have said that Edwards will be Bush's worst nightmare. I suppose in true Kerry nature they are trying to have their cake an eat it too by taking both sides of the issue. (Well you know what they say... lay down with dogs, wake up with fleas.)

Pull out your tinfoil hats folks. The Kerry Camp is starting to get nervous. :tinfoilhat:

[Walt Starr]

1. Edwards has my vote in the Illinois primary

I have to go with the anti-Kerry.

[Tweed]

39. Kerry has mine in the Illinois Primary

I have to go with the right man for the job. Knocking off a man who isn't ready to be president will be quite a nice bonus

[aldian159]

40. Me too Tweed.

already told the professor I'm gonna miss class.

[Meldread]

2. Hopefully after changing that one word...

This thread is more appropriate to the DU Moderators. :eyes:

[NewYorkerfromMass]

3. I welcome the debate

Kerry will only be better for it and in any event the best man will win.

[AP]

21. only so long as Ted from the blog is counting the votes.

:)

[NewYorkerfromMass]

26. Obviously he was only counting Democrats. nt

[AP]

37. And not very accurately. And there are still many dems to be counted.

[lancdem]

4. We have two excellent candidates

That's my take. No conspiracies.

[59millionmorons]

5. Those darn delegates

just don't add up For Edwards. Kerry has such a big lead now, even if it's a two man race Edwards would not be able to catch Kerry because they would split the delegates. Besides I like Edwards, but he would be better off if there was another strong candidate in the race to help take delegates away from Kerry.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

6. I'm not scared of a contest.

I like Edwards but I'll take Kerry and have already expressed my reasoning. BTW, when it comes to conspiracy theories no Dem candidate has seen as many floated about him as Kerry has.

[Piperay]

7. I like either man both

Kerry and Edwards I'll be happy to vote for whichever of them gets the nomination. :thumbsup:

[Stuckinthebush]

50. Same here

Not a dimes worth of difference between the two.

Kerry is probably more electable nationwide, but Edwards could do just as well.

They are both damn good Democrats who can run rings around George Bush. All of this infighting here at DU is tiresome.

My guy - Dean - didn't make it to the end. I'm sad about that, but also pragmatic enough to know we had better get our frickin' act together and realize that the real evil is sitting in the White House right now.

Go Kerry / Go Edwards....hell, Go Democrats!

[meegbear]

8. You mean the same way Dean people are slapping Kerry?

Like that?

[LuminousX]

12. Dean people have always slapped Kerry, though. No news there.

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[MaineDem]

10. I'm not afraid

I think the coming fight will benefit the party and the candidate and ultimately the country.

I'm not the least bit nervous.

[GRClarkesq]

11. They Kerry folks should be "concerned"

Scared can come later.

[Meldread]

15. I think once people get a chance to weight Edwards vs Kerry...

the choice will be clear. If CNN decides to exclude everyone BUT Kerry and Edwards (making it a 2 person debate), then we all know what will happen. Kerry will get creamed. Edwards is a better speaker and a crafty politician.

It's just a question of stopping the momentum.

[KittyWampus]

28. Yeah, Being A Better Speaker Is What Makes A Great Leader

NOT!

That Edwards is so lacking in relevant experience to hold the highest Executive Office in the world and decided to run for the office anyway is what is scaring me.

Again, I dislike Kerry immensely... but at least he wouldn't be utterly dependant on Advisors.

[blackcat77]

13. I'm not nervous

I support Kerry but would have no problem with an Edwards candidacy either. Then only thing that worries me would be a scorched-earth campaign for the nomination and I don't think either of them are that foolish.

[seaglass]

14. When it comes to CT, no one beats a Dean supporter. n/t

[Adelante]

16. No conspiracy theorist here, but uneasy

Edwards has won once in an *open* primary. He's come in second in a single *closed* primary and in five *open* primaries. I would have to see him doing better in closed primaries than this, before I see him taking the nomination from Kerry. Crossover votes are good in the GE, but the primaries are decided by Democrats.

The scariest thing in the exit polls was this:

Voters who are satisfied with the Bush Administration:
20% Dean, 50% Edwards, 23% Kerry

Voters who are enthusiastic about Bush Administration:
32% Dean, 36% Edwards, 10% Kerry

If these people who voted for Edwards LIKE Bush, why wouldn't they
vote for Bush come November?

[BootinUp]

33. But, its not rocket science or a conspiracy theory

its simple logic

Why would they even go to the democratic primary polls if they were happy with Dubya?

There is only one reasonable answer.

[aldian159]

41. The primary is more then the presidential election

lots of local elections on both sides are decided too.

[BootinUp]

46. Ok, I may have said something stupid, but answer me this

I know it was an open primary, but not sure exactly what that means. Does that mean they can vote for primary races in both parties? Same election?

(just in case :dunce:)

[ModerateMiddle]

54. It means

that anyone can vote in the primary, regardless of party affiliation. In both Iowa and NH, voters could switch party affiliation to vote in the Dem primary, but in WI, and I think in SC, they could just vote in the Dem primary without swearing allegiance to the Dem party. I actually think that WI doesn't even have party registration, kind like they say about Arkansas.

[BootinUp]

56. Right, but I am not sure that answered my question

Which is, more precisely, in the WI open primary could a registered republican vote in the democratic primary AND also in the republican primary in the same election cycle?

If not then I stand by my original point, why did they (republicans) vote in the dem primary if they were happy with Bush?

[Forkboy]

17. Most surely

Just look who starts the negative Edwards threads.

[Old and In the Way]

18. Scared?

Don't be silly. WI was a solid win and I believe that Super Tuesday will nail it for John Kerry. John Edwards is a good man, but Kerry really does have the backing of the mainstream Democrats and he will be our strongest candidate to take on Dimson.

What I do humorous are all the moral certitudists that are compromising their anti-IWR/Patriot Act positions by backing Edwards.

[ibegurpard]

19. Well I guess we can't be accused of being purists anymore can we?

eom

[MurikanDemocrat]

20. We're not nervous. Skull and Bones had the day off yesterday

/sarcasm

[AP]

22. ...and in their place, democracy spoke up

and lifted up an outsider.

[WilliamPitt]

23. An outsider with a Senate office in the Capitol

That's gotta be a new thing in the universe.

[AP]

30. You sound scared. Edwards has used his office in the Capitol to represent

people on the outside -- people who work for a living.

Kerry has used his to rise through the ranks of the finance and commerce committees (are those the two?) where he's traded favors with the corporatocracy.

[MurikanDemocrat]

25. You know I was being sarcastic

But I'm glad Edwards did well last night. :thumbsup:

[AP]

32. You know I was trying to be funny,

right?

[MurikanDemocrat]

36. Just making sure

;-)

[KittyWampus]

29. Outsider?

:D

[DrFunkenstein]

24. Any Irony In Your Sig Line?

The fact that you have a media conspiracy theory in your signature line makes this all the more delicious. There's no need to project conspiracy theories on the Kerry camp. We're sitting tight. I think after a full year of being called Bush-lite cockroaches by the front-runner, we can handle being in first place just fine.

[KittyWampus]

27. I Am NOT A Kerry Supporter. But It Isn't "Conspiracy" It's POlitics 101

You do whatever you can to ensure your opponent is the weakest candidate.

Do you really think the GOP are being nice guys and politely waiting for us to pick our strongest nominee?

How very niave.

[bushwakker]

31. No conspiracies - no crying

you get more votes and you win. by the way kerry got more votes last night.

[mmonk]

34. scared

surely you hope. Well, Kerry has more of a track record that can be twisted about I guess to paint a different picture of the vote context and how Kerry feels. Plus, Edwards can define himself more in the shape of current situations the less he has voted. However, the light will start shining his way. Wait to see what it may reveal that can be used either positive or negative.

[Xanth]

35. It's about to get down to the nitty gritty.

And conspiracies are just part of the game. The Kerry camp should be nervous. Edwards, not a real insider may change the face of the white house. He may not have all the experience of Kerry and he is not tainted. I can't hear double talk from Edwards. I hope it stays that way.

[RobinA]

38. This Kerry Supporter

isn't the least bit nervous. Edwards is the flavor of the week based on a better than expected showing in an open primary in Wisconsin. Sometimes it sounds like the people here have never lived through a primary before. Sure it's mathmatically POSSIBLE for Edwards to get the nom at this point, just like it was POSSIBLE for Dean to mount this big comeback in WI, but it ain't gonna happen unless something truly bizarre happens.

[mlawson]

42. Um, Meldread, it's really not Kerry people who are doing this.

Just look at the avatars...

[lurk_no_more]

43. You should be this nervous

Oh that's right........



And then there were none!
” JAFO”

[WiseMen]

44. Many "Kerry Folk" have looked death in the face over and over. We have now

gone from political near death to a fighting chance. It is great!

No worries in the Kerry camp, I assure you.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

45. 90% of strong Bush supporters in the WI primary voted against Kerry

36% of voters who were 'enthusiastic about Bush' voted for Edwards
32% of voters who were 'enthusiastic about Bush' voted for Dean
10% of voters who were 'enthusiastic about Bush' voted for Kerry
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/primaries/pages/epolls/WI/index.html


Does pointing that out mean I'm 'scared'? :eyes:

[Tinoire]

47. If you care re NAFTA and value your job, vote Edwards. If you care about

this guy... vote Kucinich. Whatever you do, please do not write in a candidate's name. Those votes are discounted and thrown away. They are not even counted so it is a beautiful but absolutely meaningless gesture. If you are that angry go Green and they DNC/DLC will get the message but...

please remember these guys



They need to come home. Please.

Bring our kids home
http://www.bringthetroopshomenow.com

(Thanks Mari333)

[Octafish]

53. Vote however you want. You are Democrats.

Don't think for a minute, however, that John Kerry would send our armed forces in harm's way without a damn good reason. He, more than anyone in this campaign, knows personally the horrors of war. Thus he hates war more than anyone running, and as much as anyone who's been to war.

[wal]

58. Kerry / Kucinich - HEY OCTAFISH !!!!!

Mate,
I've been trying to contact you for a month! I'm in Australia, so the time zones have put us on an elliptical orbit timewise. The post "Kerry can clobber Bush" was excellent - I copied it but it didn't stick.
Any chance of a reprint to me? Skinner has my contact.
As well, I've been arguing with bartcop about this for a year, and he's starting to come round. I could use those addresses you posted to beef my case by posting them to bart, if that's OK by you.

Again

Kerry / Kucinich in '04

[David Zephyr]

48. Well, I Don't Know If They Are "Scared"

But the corporate media is out to make the lightweight, one term Senator from North Carolina the Democratic Nominee which means that Kerry's in for the shitstorm that many of them thought would come from Bush...after the nomination.

When Peggy Noonan and Pat Buchannan are praising John Edwards, it isn't because they actually like him.

Kerry's camp should be nervous. He's not the chosen patsy to challenge Bush, Edwards is.

[John_H]

49. I'm scared to death of Edwards

The GOP would do the same thing to him they would have done to Dean on national security. Is Edwards more charismatic than Dean? Does he have slightly more foreign policy experience? Yes to both. Can those facts overcome 200 million bucks and a willing media making this election about fear? Absolutely not.

[Octafish]

51. What's there to be scared of?

If Edwards is the nominee, GREAT!

EDIT: Tynee typo.

[funky_bug]

52. Scared?

I thought Newsman Matt Drudge had the funniest posts on the board. This takes the cake.

How many states has Edwards won now? I think one, right? Oh yes, and his "second place" finish in Oklahoma.

1.) There is nothing to be scared about. We'll re-address this after Super Tuesday.

2.) I support BOTH Kerry and Edwards... AND Dean and Kucinich (love Al, but he is SO not serious.) There is nothing to fear when we have such fine representation.

I am getting amused with the multiple "Kerry is scared...threatened...out-seated...etc..." threads that are popping up on this board. I think maybe the "fear shoe" might fit OTHER camps much better.

[ModerateMiddle]

55. Those of us who are

long suffering Kerry supporters have been through many months of being dissed along with our candidate: desperate, dead, etc.

We can handle two more weeks of democracy :)

[Hippo_Tron]

57. Not at all...

I'd like Kerry to win the nomination and I think that it will probably happen but I see lots of advantages to John Edwards winning the nomination and would be more than happy to have him be our nominee.