JOE BIDEN - today, 24 endorsements in South Carolina !!

[kad7777]

http://www.thestate.com/local/story/189169.html

You gotta love this guy! He's tenacious!

[gateley]

1. I'm moving to South Carolina - the voters obviously can pick the winners. nt Rec

[PatSeg]

2. 24???

He is blowing me away! This is amazing.

[gateley]

3. It's encouraging to see those who know and understand more than I support

Biden. Reinforces the fact that I've made the right choice. More importantly, it give me hope for Iraq.

[Jim Sagle]

4. That means he should get at least 24 votes.

Unless some of the endorsers are lying.

[kad7777]

6. OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!! LOL, LOL, LOL !!!!!

....you're so witty

[Bluebear]

5. Biden: "Any doubt (of Anita Hill's testimony) should be resolved in favor of Judge Thomas."

I still can't get past things like that, the credit card bankruptcy bill, etc . . .endorsements notwithstanding.

[kad7777]

7. Actually, I can understand...

...anyone who has issues with ANY candidate. They're only human as you and I. There are going to be times, whether it's Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Barack Obama, or whoever, where you're not going to meet eye to eye and that one issue may be something that turns you away.

[PatSeg]

11. I do too

Some are issues I move past, but there may be some I can't. If someone else can't, that is fine. I wouldn't advocate blind support of any candidate.

[eridani]

27. Well, there are minor things, like Kucinich appearing on Faux Noise

(which was seriously effing STOOPID). And there are major things like working to impoverish people with huge medical debts.

[Eurobabe]

29. Yep, you can't love everything about someone

They all have their faults just like we do, but I am seriously thinking about supporting Biden in the primaries.

[jillan]

10. link please - because this is what I read.

Biden stopped a collegue of Anita Hill's from testifying before the Senate because this guy wanted to discredit everything she said.
He wanted to tell how Anita Hill would brag that she was dating Clarence Thomas and how she thought it was good for her career.

There was also a problem with her lie detector test and Biden kept it out of the testimony because he knew Orrin Hatch would use it against her.

All the crap Biden receives about this makes me think people were just reading the headlines and not the whole story.

[PatSeg]

12. Its funny

Someone posted a couple of threads in an attempt to berate Biden's conduct during the hearings, but what I read there showed a different picture. I guess people see what they want to see.

[jillan]

14. I am not doubting that Biden didn't do all he should have.

Who knows why... but he did alot more than people gave him credit for.

Altho - I stand corrected about the lie detector test. I was just proven I was wrong. :blush:

[Bluebear]

15. Biden made the inquiry about Thomas' "character", not about his conduct...

...while running the EEOC, not about his judicial qualifications. Many people with long memories still shudder about the way Biden conducted that hearing, unfortunately.

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SENATOR HEFLIN: Do you know a Congressman by the name of Scott Kluge, a Republican Congressman who was defeated by Robert Kastenmeier of Wisconsin, who now serves in Congress, who back in the early 1980's, 1983 or something, was a television reporter for a channel here in Washington and that he at that time disclosed this as indicating that, after the recommendation of dismissal, that you did not move in regards to it for some 11 months and let him retire? Do you know Congressman Kluge?

JUDGE THOMAS: I do not know him. Again, remember, I am operating on recollection. There was far more to it than the facts as you set them out. His rights had much to do with the fact that he was as veteran and that we could not simply dismiss him. If we could, that was my recommendation, he would have been dismissed.

SENATOR HEFLIN: There was no political influence brought to bear on you at that time to prevent his dismissal? Do you recall if any political--

JUDGE THOMAS: There was absolutely no political influence. In fact, it was my policy that no personnel decisions would in any way be changed or influenced by political pressure, one way or the other.

SENATOR HEFLIN: Now, it is reported to me that Congressman Kluge, after your nomination, went to the White House and told this story and, I hear by hearsay, that the White House ignored his statement, that Congressman Kluge further came to the Senate Judiciary Committee and made it known here.

As far as I know, I attempted to check--I have not been able to find where it was in the Judiciary Committee, if it was, and I think the Chairman has attempted to locate it--but the point I am asking is, in the whole process pertaining to the nomination and the preparation for it, were you ever notified that Congressman Kluge went to the White House in regards to this?

JUDGE THOMAS: I do not remember that, Senator.

SENATOR HEFLIN: Nobody ever discussed that?

JUDGE THOMAS: No.

SENATOR HEFLIN: Well, that is the way it has been reported to me and it is very fragmented relative to it, but I have asked that all the records of the EEOC be subpoenaed by subpoena duces tecum pertaining to that, in order that we might get to the bottom of it.

SENATOR HATCH: Mr. Chairman, if I could interrupt Senator Heflin, I really think this is outside the scope, under the rules. I would have to object to it.

SENATOR BIDEN: I would have to sustain that objection. I do not--

SENATOR HATCH: I hesitate to object, but I just think we ought to keep it on the subject matter.

SENATOR BIDEN: I do not see where it is relevant.

SENATOR HEFLIN: Well, I think it is relevant in the issue pertaining to the period of time relative to the issue, particularly in regards to the responsibilities as head of the agency dealing with discrimination in employment.

SENATOR HATCH: Mr. Chairman--

SENATOR BIDEN: If I may say--

SENATOR HATCH: Mr. Chairman--

SENATOR BIDEN: If I may speak, let me say this is not about whether or not the Judge administered properly or improperly the agency. The only issue here relates to conduct and the allegations that have been made, so I would respectfully suggest to my friend from Alabama that that line of questioning is not in order and I rule it out of order.

SENATOR HEFLIN: All right, sir, I will reserve an exception, as we used to say.

[jillan]

18. Bluebear - do you have a link?

I am not that well read on what happened during the hearings.
I am picking up bits and pieces here and there and trying to understand what happened.
Biden worked his butt off to make sure Robert Bork didn't get on the bench. Has been an advocate for civil rights, and
women's rights - infact he authored a famous legislation for women's rights.
As a Biden supporter - it doesn't add up. Things I have read show me that he helped her, not hurt her. So I would appreciate it if you posted a link to above. I want to understand.

btw - I love your sig line. I am a huge Joni Mitchell fan.

[Bluebear]

23. Here is a start . . .

http://www.aliciapatterson.org/APF1602/Graves/Graves.html

Biden was interviewed a few months before the first anniversary of the October 1991 hearings. Harvard law professor Charles Ogletree was interviewed a few months before the second anniversary and was asked to respond to some of Biden's comments, contentions and observations.

[Bluebear]

24. And link 2

Instead, his record became superfluous and his moral character became all important. Committee Chairman, Democrat Biden, verified the over-riding importance of Thomas' moral character in the confirmation, when he stated; "Any doubt (of Hill's testimony) should be resolved in favor of Judge Thomas."

http://www.alternativeinsight.com/The_Legacy_of_Anita_Hill.html


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Thanks for noticing the sig line, cheers!

[jillan]

25. Thanks - I will read it.

Not tonite tho - zzzzzz.

[PatSeg]

16. What I read recently was

that Biden felt that a lie detector test was a violation of civil rights and if it was not admissible in a court of law, it should not be admissible in a Senate hearing. That came from an interview with Biden, but obviously it is not verbatim.

[dugggy]

30. Biden has more sense, more knowledge than all others running

[dugggy]

31. Anita Hill followed Thomas relentlessly, for several years AFTER

the alleged sexual harrasment took place. WHY?
She had a post graduate degree for crying out loud.
Jobs for black women with that level of education
were going begging.

[zulchzulu]

8. Congrats to Joe

All the best to the campaign...

[jillan]

9. 24? First it was 2 - then it was 5. 24????

That is fantastic.

[PatSeg]

13. I wonder what it will be tomorrow!

[gateley]

17. I'll get my calculator ready. nt

[PatSeg]

21. Its kind of like Christmas!

Well, not quite yet, but close.

[NativeTexan]

19. This Texan has always loved Joe....

I am just afraid that his time has passed him up for the White House. Either way, though, he would be a GREAT president. And if not, he'd be great in a high cabinet post...State or AG maybe.....

[PatSeg]

20. OR this could be his time.

Now more than ever is the time when we need someone with his experience and ability. We'll see.

[Jillian]

22. Agreed!

[PatSeg]

26. Oh I love that quote

in your sig line!

[gateley]

28. I love that quote, too! I'd never seen it. I'll let you know before I steal it. nt

[murbley40]

32. Wow!

:bounce: :bounce: :toast: :toast: :wow:

[PatSeg]

33. With that many in such a short period of time,

I'm sure we'll see more throughout the week.