To defend his wife, Bill Clinton fibs about Obama's stance on the Iraq War

[zulchzulu]

This doesn't surprise me at all. The Clintons will stoop to any level to get their self-absorbed way and drag the rest of the party down with them. And Bill Clinton stepped in it today. Barack slammed back:

“In 2002, I opposed giving President Bush the authority to invade Iraq, and said that a war based not on principle but on politics would lead to a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I wish those words had never come true, but I have stood by them since that day and continue to today.”

Here is how the lie was reported (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/03/16/obama-disputes-bill-clintons-take-on-war-views/):

According to an item in the gossip column Page 6 in today’s New York Post, Mr. Clinton said at a private fund-raiser Tuesday that Mr. Obama was asked in 2004 how he would have voted on the Iraq war resolution of 2002, had he been in the Senate at the time. According to people who attended the fundraiser, Mr. Clinton was said to have quoted Mr. Obama as saying, “I’m not sure,” and then criticized The New York Times for not highlighting that position as ambivalence over the war.

The New York Post reported Bill's desperate biting of the lip nonsense:

Clinton focused on the fact that three years ago - shortly after Barack Obama burst onto the world stage with his speech at the Democratic National Convention where John Kerry was nominated - Obama was asked how he would have voted on the Iraq war if he'd been in Congress at that time.

"And Obama said, 'I'm not sure,' " Sliwa recalled. "Clinton said the Times has a duty to report on Obama's initial ambivalence."

Bill needs to watch this interview to get his fact straight. This is five years ago to the day:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXzmXy226po

What's more pathetic than lying about Obama is Bill Clinton accusing those that dare question his wife's validity as the same as Republicans:

"Mr Clinton accused Democratic rivals who criticised his wife of “rewarding the Republican attack machine” that had “beaten up on her for 16 years”.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article2563306.ece

Awww...poor Mrs. Clinton. :crazy:

So what is it, Bill? Are we to anoint your wife President and just let the Democratic party not only lose the White House but have to swim upstream against the negative tide that nomination would bring? This is no laughing matter.

[William769]

1. If this is how you try to prop up your candidate.

Hillary's campaign has nothing to worry about.

[zulchzulu]

2. The point is does Bill Clinton have to lie about Obama to prop up his candidate?

I guess you've gotten used to Bill Clinton being a liar... I haven't. And I'll make sure to do all I can to call him out on it.

Count on that.

[William769]

3. Good luck with that.

:rofl:

[Clintonista2]

19. I love your faux outrage

We all know how much Zulchzulu values the truth :eyes:. I'm remembering a certain "Clinton let Osama go" topic.

[Imagevision]

21. >Hillary's campaign has nothing to worry about? - that remains to be seen as Obama

begins serious campaigning. It would be lame to stage a real fight with Hillary now, there's too much time left between now and January, who runs out of steam with valid content first?!

[William769]

27. Nope, nothing at all to worry about.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3573937&mesg_id=3573937

[Ethelk2044]

4. They have been rewarding for her for a while Mr Murdock and her seems

to have become best buds. She can fault herself for that one.

[alstephenson]

5. "According to an item in the gossip column"......

Sheesh. Get a life. Or get a candidate. I have nothing against Obama, but this just smacks of desperation!

[Ethelk2044]

6. Obama is not desperate. Your post is bull shit. If she can not take the heat

then get out the kitchen.

[William769]

26. Seems to me your the one that can't take the heat heat.

:rofl:

[durrrty libby]

11. "gossip column" Damn, you got it. How pathetic and embarrassing

[zulchzulu]

14. Bill Clinton lying about Obama smacks of desperation...

That's the point, my friend.

[zulchzulu]

15. It was in Rupert Murdoch's New York Post, so maybe you have a point...

Oh wait! Stop the train! Who is that standing next to Rupert Murdoch? Huh... could it be...

[Jane Austin]

7. It's hard to tell who Obama is going to have to run against - Bill or Hillary.

Bill is campaigning against Obama more than Hillary is.

Weird.

[JTFrog]

9. Was it ever clear?

[illinoisprogressive]

8. Bill is more worried about Bill than anything else. She wins, he gets the spotlight back

and Bill is desperate for the spotlight to be on him all the time.

[wyldwolf]

10. Here are dueling quotes for you:

First, your gossip page quote:

Mr. Clinton said at a private fund-raiser Tuesday that Mr. Obama was asked in 2004 how he would have voted on the Iraq war resolution of 2002, had he been in the Senate at the time. According to people who attended the fundraiser, Mr. Clinton was said to have quoted Mr. Obama as saying, “I’m not sure,” and then criticized The New York Times for not highlighting that position as ambivalence over the war.

Now, from the NY Times, Senator Obama:

In a recent interview, he declined to criticize Senators Kerry and Edwards for voting to authorize the war, although he said he would not have done the same based on the information he had at the time.

''But, I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports,'' Mr. Obama said. ''What would I have done? I don't know. What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made.''

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9407E2DF153DF935A15754C0A9629C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print

Now, unless you're contending the phrases "I'm not sure" and "I don't know" have different meanings, we have a case of Bill Clinton recalling the meaning of an old quote but just not getting the exact words correct. Of course, we don't live in a Greg Brady world.

So, Clinton did not lie and you obviously were unaware of Obama saying this.

[zulchzulu]

13. Wow...well done...

Your Bill Clinton impersonation of what did Obama "say" in the phrases "I'm not sure" vs. "I don't know" was flawless. You get two spots on your shirt for that one.

:crazy:

[wyldwolf]

16. well, thank you, though I detect your urge to still draw some lame distinction.

[jefferson_dem]

18. Standard fair from many in the Hillary-at-all-costs contingent on DU.

Thanks for serving up yet another shining example of why I can't support B(illary).

[AtomicKitten]

12. Obama opposed the imminent invasion in 2002.

Obama answered a hypothetical question honestly, "I don't know," and somehow that is extrapolated to mean something more than that. But, in the final analysis, Obama opposed the war in 2002 and sure as hell didn't vote yes on the IWR like, ahem, others clearly desperately trying to mitigate Obama's good judgment.

[zulchzulu]

17. More info about BIll Clinton playing with the truth on Obama's statement

Clinton said when asked about what Obama thought about what he would do the Iraq War Resolution, Obama stated: ''What would I have done? I don't know."

But, as the Times now reports, Clinton lifted a portion of the quote from the Times interview to lie about Obama's position:

''But, I'm not privy to the Senate intelligence reports,'' Mr. Obama said. ''What would I have done? I don't know. What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made.''

The Clinton campaign has lifted part of that comment -- ''I don't know'' -- to question whether Mr. Obama would have opposed the war resolution had he been in the Senate at the time. The campaign has also cited other remarks Mr. Obama made in 2004, when he said there was ''room for disagreement'' on the war resolution.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F04E0DA1430F931A15750C0A9619C8B63

I can see what Geffen meant.

[jonnyblitz]

20. awww, come on!! you know Bill Clinton would NEVER lie. nt

[Imagevision]

22. I love Hillary but I've got to go with the new and better leadership plans from Obama...

[calteacherguy]

23. I believe Dodd, and I believe Clinton. Are you disputing that Obama did not say what

they and the NYT say he said?

[zulchzulu]

24. Are you sticking up for a proven liar?

Read it again.

It's obvious that Bill Clinton chose to omit a key sentence in the full statement that Obama made in order to lie about what Obama said. Period.

[Apollo11]

25. In 2004, Obama could not publicly criticize Kerry and Edwards

That's why Obama had to qualify his opposition to the IWR for the duration of the 2004 campaign.

This is the explanation provided by the Obama campaign - and it makes total sense to me.

Why would Obama criticize Kerry's and Edwards's judgement in the middle of the 2004 election???

In case you hadn't noticed - Barack Obama is a TRUE BLUE DEMOCRAT!

Bill Clinton on the other hand - well, he would never try to mislead us - would he?? :eyes:

[zulchzulu]

28. True

Obama had already proven a couple years before what he thought about the IWR...at a time when it would have been seen as "un-American"...