Hillary's only competition now is Edwards

[quinnox]

I no longer consider Obama a threat to Hillary's nomination. He seems to have already accepted defeat, and is now positioning himself to be on Hillary's good side. Obama has toned down all the attack rhetoric and is rather polite to Hillary in debates, he knows she has a temper and if he wants to be relevant he better start saying nice things.

I'm glad Obama has recognized he could do important things with Hillary as president, and it was perhaps a mistake to run for president.

Obama's campaign from here on out will be a non-threatening one to Hillary and Obama will eventually drop out gracefully, endorsing Hillary soon after.

Edwards on the other hand, has stepped up the attacks and seems to really want to win and defeat Hillary. I have to respect that he has the backbone to take Hillary on directly, knowing it might end his political career if he loses to her.

Edwards will be a formidable opponent, and I won't be surprised to see him vault to the second position sooner rather than later as Obama loses support.

[Vickers]

1. Edwards is a Republican?

I need to read the paper more often.

[dugggy]

4. How did you reach that conclusion?

The original post implies no such thing.

[Vickers]

20. From the thread title.

"Hillary's only competition now is Edwards."

[dugggy]

45. I think the poster is referring to primaries & not GE.

[Vickers]

53. Sterling detective work, Dugggy!

:rofl:

[dugggy]

76. So, I am still at a loss to understand the point

you were making. Well, enough of that.
Have a good day.

[Vickers]

80. I know you are.

You'll get better.

[dugggy]

86. Grow up!

[Vickers]

87. Grow up?

:rofl:

IRONY ALERT!

[surfermaw]

68. What papers are you reading the funnies

Edwards is a poor southern boy that made it big and he hasn't forgotten his roots, he is a democrat, everword that comes out his mouth is democrat, when in the heck have you seen a republican supporting Labor Unions, don't you know republicans destroy Labor Unions, such as Harding, Coolidge and Hoover , Reagan, and Bushs.

[Clark2008]

71. Poor?

:rofl:

He was upper middle class. Look, I'm glad he did well - better than his parents, but let's not buy into the myth that he lived on Tobacco Road. He was upper middle class bordering on wealthy.

[struggle4progress]

74. Two parents working blue-collar jobs (father mill shift supervisor, mother letter carrier) was upper

middle class, when neither parent had a college degree?

What planet are you from?

[Cameron27]

85. I doubt that he was raised any "poorer" than most

of his running mates, or a good percentage of the country at that time. Father, mill supervisor / mom, postal worker very typical family.

[girl gone mad]

90. But you don't know the circumstances.

There are many situations that would cause a dual income blue collar family to struggle. Taking care of elderly parents, a sick child, poor financial decisions, bad luck.

Just because you believe his family should have lived at or above the standard does not mean they did.

My parents were good earners, but we were often broke because my father liked to help people.

[Vickers]

72. Not too big on humor, huh?

Eh, most surfers I know aren't very funny.

I mean, in a comedic way of course.






(and yes, I'm a surfer :P)

[sandnsea]

2. Obama is leading among Iowa caucus goers

You're going to have to go back to HQ for some new talking points.

:crazy:

[ElizabethDC]

5. Only according to one poll

so it could be an outlier - we'll have to wait and see.

[blm]

6. *cackle* *cackle* *cackle*

.

[MethuenProgressive]

9. Karl Rove was the first to call her laugh a "cackle"

:eyes:

[sandnsea]

21. Her friends call it "The Cackle"

"she copes with the pressure by using what friends have come to call the Cackle."
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/30/us/politics/30clinton.html?_r=1&ref=politics&oref=slogin

HQ! Calling HQ - what do we say about the cackle noooowwww, waaaaaaaaaaa.

[blm]

31. Well - that doesn't rule Rove out, since those two families are EXTREMELY CLOSE.

The Clintons have managed to be there for them at crucial points, so it is quite likely they have managed a friendship with Karl - Carville and Brazille have.


http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward

http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

Why else would Hillary have sided with Bush and McCain against Kerry and even do so ON CAMERA?

[sandnsea]

39. heh, good point

The article doesn't say which "friends" they talked to.

[goclark]

43. Carville and Brazille are team players for the RepubliCONS

And for sure Carville is in bed with a Con.
Poppy is best friends with Bill.

Huuum

[blm]

25. Rove never influenced me - EVER. Unlike when Hillary PUBLICLY JOINED ROVE

to attack an honest, open government Democrat and found cameras to do so.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

Character. I would NEVER join a Rovian lie, even against Hillary. What would Hillary do?

[Nedsdag]

66. I'm not a Hillary supporter but I have to admit

that was a shrewd move on her part to get Kerry out of the race by saying that.

She's one tough b*tch.

[w4rma]

95. Self-serving, selfish, non-team playing move against a progressive by a DLCer. (nt)

[Tellurian]

22. That poll is as erroneous as you are..

read the fine print..Obama is NOT ahead of anyone.

[Tellurian]

89. Why propagate BS? Unless you are determined Dems lose the general..

Obama is in a dead heat in Iowa. That is the only state he even comes close to the front runner.

[flvegan]

3. In that case, no matter who wins the '08 race

we'll still be under the reign of the almighty corporation.

[dugggy]

10. That is not all bad when you consider how many jobs

were created by corporations during the Bill Clinton
administration. 22 Million if my memory serves me right.

[More Than A Feeling]

19. Who voted for the corporations, and whom do they serve, the public interest

or the profit motive? When the two collide, as they frequently do, how often do corporations have to be forced into doing the responsible thing (and even then they drag their feet and whine all the way)?

[avrdream]

38. That is one of the best questions there is.

If only the debate moderators would focus on important issues like that: how to keep corporations doing the responsible thing.

[dugggy]

48. Some of the most successful corporations have one thing in common

and that is they have employees with the biggest job
satisfaction. Irresponsible corporations who put short
term profit above everything else do not remain
competitive and either shrink or disappear. It is a
self correcting mechanism, thankfully.

[More Than A Feeling]

67. In an abstract, economics 101 (read "oversimplified") model, maybe.

This is the real world, with externalities, imperfect information, and flawed government intervention on behalf of corporations with political clout.

I recommend you read Everything for Sale by Robert Kuttner. He explains which areas of the economy need government regulation to be most efficient, because lack of regulation distorts the market even further.

[dugggy]

75. I probably have better insights than Kuttner cuz

I worked in 7 corporations for 40 years
and seen at first hand what gives.

[ProudDad]

82. That's like learning anatomy

by peering up the fundament of the creature whose anatomy you're studying...

[ProudDad]

81. God Damn

Where do you dig up this shit???

This is what the most "successful corporations" have in common:

"THE PATHOLOGY OF COMMERCE: CASE HISTORIES

To assess the "personality" of the corporate "person," a checklist is employed, using diagnostic criteria of the World Health Organization and the standard diagnostic tool of psychiatrists and psychologists. The operational principles of the corporation give it a highly anti-social "personality": it is self-interested, inherently amoral, callous and deceitful; it breaches social and legal standards to get its way; it does not suffer from guilt, yet it can mimic the human qualities of empathy, caring and altruism. Four case studies, drawn from a universe of corporate activity, clearly demonstrate harm to workers, human health, animals and the biosphere. Concluding this point-by-point analysis, a disturbing diagnosis is delivered: the institutional embodiment of laissez-faire capitalism fully meets the diagnostic criteria of a "psychopath."

They ARE PSYCHOPATHS...

http://www.thecorporation.com/index.cfm?page_id=312

[ProudDad]

79. That BIG lie again

The net number of USAmerican jobs created by the Fortune 500 -- those oh, so successful corporations --






Was





Wait for it...





A big GOOSE EGG -- That's ZERO for you math majors...





The big corporations fucking own our government and they don't contribute SHIT to the USAmerican People!!!!

[emilyg]

61. And what? Poor people give other people jobs?

[ProudDad]

83. Essentially yes,

"poorer" people DO provide most of the jobs...

See my post #79

[MethuenProgressive]

7. Edwards? *John* Edwards? The ex-Senator John Edwards?

It's obvious (been obvious for a while) that Obama would love to be Clinton's running mate, but from those that remain to call out (up?) Edwards? Um... No.
If there was a no-holds-barred debate between the Dems-who-aren't-Obama-or-Clinton, Edwards would have his hand-made socks handed to him. He is not, by any measure, "the best of the rest"...

[Captain Hilts]

8. No votes have been cast yet. It's a long way to February. nt

[ProudDad]

84. And even longer until November, my friend (n/t)

[dancingme]

11. Do you think the thousands who flock to Obama's speeches

are going to vote for someone other than Obama in their state primary? That must be how you can justify this thread.

[ElizabethDC]

12. They might.

I know a number of people who have been to see Obama speak who either aren't planning on voting for him or are undecided.

[Tellurian]

27. Yes, and many are mighty angry at their e-mails being deluged

with donation requests. It seems the NY Stunt was wide open to college students who had to sign in to attend the event and give their e-mail addresses. Lot of angst over their invasion of privacy and the motive for their e-mails.

[quinnox]

14. My thread is obviously opinion

People are free to disagree, but I stand by it.

[Inspired]

13. Be careful of this attempt by a Hillary supporter to

cause disruption. Don't fall for it.

And this is coming from an Edwards supporter. I just happen to be sick of the games that I see Hillary supporters playing.

[quinnox]

18. oh please

"Sick games Hillary supporters are playing"

Sounds like your tinfoil hat is on too tight.

[Inspired]

24. I'm pretty sure I said I was sick of the games

not that they were 'sick games'. But...whatever.

Slam away. It won't make me support her any less than I do already.

[Cha]

62. Ya did but that didn't stop quinnox

from mixin' it up.

[blm]

50. Hillary2008 is being run more like Bush2000 than Clinton1992.

And they don't give a flying eff who knows it or how the country gets hurt by their manipulations.

Power is everything to the Bushes and the Clintons at this point.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

[jenmito]

15. You MUST be joking!

:rofl: Obama is stepping up his attacks, leading in Iowa, and matching or beating Hillary in donations! Edwards has to take matching funds, is THIRD now in Iowa, and doesn't have enough money to be competitive! And when Edwards drops out, most of his support will go to Obama IMO.

[quinnox]

16. not at all

I'm quite serious. And I stand by every word.

[jenmito]

17. Well, keep your hope alive then!

What you said in your OP is not true, though.

[Inspired]

26. You are probably right

about Edwards support going to Obama, but don't count him out. You are talking about the result of one poll.

[jenmito]

28. Well, I'm just looking at the facts and don't see HOW the OP came to her conclusion

that OBAMA was pretty much finished when it's EDWARDS who has all the signs of being pretty much finished. :shrug:

[Inspired]

41. Good grief.

The OP is only trying to stir up shit. I don't believe for a minute they really feel this way.

btw...don't count Edwards out. I support him.

I just don't like these disingenuous threads.

[jenmito]

49. I figured that out, but I thought I'd address it anyway...

and although I don't support Edwards, if he's the nominee, I'll support him.

[Cha]

64. OP is a

guy.

[msongs]

23. obama has lots of good qualities, don't count him out yet. nt

[zulchzulu]

29. This vapid attempt as tired old flamebait brought to you by...

It's a spray. It's a mindset.

[Cha]

63. ..the usual.

[5X]

30. Hill's over the top supporters are driving me further away from her

than I already was. And that is saying something.

[quinnox]

34. Thank you

"Hill's over the top supporters"

I consider that a compliment.

Yes, Hillary is great and she is my girl!

[Jane Austin]

32. Anecdote from San Fancisco.

Hillary's people were having to give away tickets to a fundraiser for her today because they couldn't sell them.

My friend was offered tickets.

[ElizabethDC]

36. Well, they do that at big rallies

she doesn't have problems getting a couple thousand people or so to pay to come to a fundraiser, but when she has big outdoor rallies, they usually do offer some tickets for free.

[geek tragedy]

33. As an Obama supporter, I wholeheartedly agree.

Hillary's campaign and supporters should focus all of their negative efforts at John Edwards.

Similarly, the Edwards people should focus all of their attention on Hillary.

Neither group should pay attention to Barack Obama, and should just ignore him.

[Pithy Cherub]

44. Perfect!

:rofl:

Obama should just keep doing what he's doing while Hillary is taking Edwards through her version of the loan qualification process.

[Ethelk2044]

59. I agree that is what happen in the last election and Kerry won Primary beause they ignored him

[cobalt1999]

35. As a Hillary supporter...

I have to say B.S.

Each candidate is using different tactics right now, that's all.

Edwards HAS to attack Hillary, it's his only chance. Obama/Hillary have the organization and money to out campaign Edwards. They are making up ground on him from his early lead in Iowa and once they turn their warchests loose in Iowa, he won't be able to keep up without doing something to make himself stand out. Going all guns blazing after the front-runner is a good strategy for him. He is trying to become the alternative to Hillary in peoples minds.

Hillary is following the Microsoft/Bill Gates approach. Let your competitors mention you, NEVER mention them...let people think they are irrelevant. Another good strategy when you are the front runner as getting into arguments with those further down in the polls gives them credibility.

Obama is sort of stuck in the middle. He has to mention Clinton, he can ignore Edwards, but he is painting himself as the calm experienced leader alternative to Hillary.

Each is following the strategy they need to follow based on their respective poll position and money supply.

[jenmito]

40. As an Obama supporter, I'd like to

:toast: you on your very reasonable post!

[Cameron27]

47. Good analysis,

I agree. :thumbsup:

[sundancekid]

37. on second thought - I DO NOT WANT whatever you're smoking!

this is the kind of rovian and/or orwellian sh*t that so FAILS to differentiate your candicate from the bush/cheney lite resemblance ... sorry, I ain't buying for a NANOSECOND

[Adelante]

42. heh - The DU Onion

Too funny.

[oasis]

46. Why would Obama put a halt to all that dough he's raking in?

[jenmito]

51. Because ALL must fold under the inevitable Hillary!

What other reason could it be? :shrug:

[oasis]

52. Hillary needs some sparring partners to keep her sharp for the main event. Obama

fills the bill in that regard. He can pick up a little pocket change in return for hanging around. Besides he wouldn't want to disappoint Oprah. She could be a significant cash cow for future Obama campaigns.

[BeyondGeography]

54. Check your calendar again

The fight starts in earnest in another two months...it's still the early rounds here. Tell your girl to bring her helmet; she'll need one.

[saltpoint]

55. Several Dems running strong campaigns, John Edwards among them, and

also Barack Obama and Joe Biden.

A fickle public, fateful times, and fluid strategies will make for a wild autumn-through-January.

Note the article this past week in the NYTimes on Obama's appearance in lower Manhattan. It had the feel of a truly historic high-voltage assertion of a convincing candidacy.

Dodd is well-funded and intelligent. Richardson has appeal and international chops.

Counting any of these five out right now is edgy, bordering IMO on foolhardy.

[goclark]

56. I agree, each may say a few things I don't agree with

but, all in all, they are light years ahead of any Rethug in the Race for OUR House.

[Exultant Democracy]

57. Wow you don't know much do you. Of course Edwards is on the attack he is in 3rd.

It isn't safe to be on the attack, there is always the risk of blow back. But you support Hillary so I don't expect much from you.

[Ethelk2044]

58. Wrong, Obama is her only competition.

[Ethelk2044]

60. Give me some of what you are drinking.

[illinoisprogressive]

65. Oh, don't you just wish, Quinnox. don't you just wish...

[Grandrose]

69. I think you forgot something in your post.........

:crazy: :silly: :freak: :dunce: :sarcasm: Why don't you pick one!

[AtomicKitten]

70. that's not what this past quarter of fund-raising says

[aquart]

73. And you know this before a vote has been cast.

[TheDonkey]

77. Because you think Hillary's temper is so out-of-control Obama must step down?

Pretty sad considering you want her to be the leader of America! I hope she's above such pettiness you suggest.

[ProudDad]

78. Hillary's competition is primarily hillary... (n/t)

[sampsonblk]

88. Obama accepted defeat months ago

Obama is an inexperienced, but inspiring candidate. He got his feet wet this time and he's made a very admirable run.

I agree that Edwards has not accepted defeat yet. I can see where he is coming from. He is an experienced presidential candidate, and on paper he ought to be able to compete with Clinton in all 50 states. Why not?

[elizm]

91. How long have you been a mind reader? nt

[Forkboy]

92. He knew you were going to ask that.

:)

[AtomicKitten]

93. I had a feeling you were going to say that.

[Forkboy]

94. I'm getting too predictable, I know.

I could always start a thread about me loving Hillary to throw everyone off a bit. :)

[elizm]

96. Funny! nt