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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 09:27 AM
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Voters say it's Clinton, the former first lady, who has the most experience
By BRIAN TUMULTY
GANNETT NEWS SERVICE

(Original publication: September 30, 2007)

INDIANOLA, Iowa - When it comes to the issue of experience as a qualification to be president, many Democratic voters are passing over candidates with years of public service, including one who is a governor and former U.N. ambassador and another who is considered a leading expert on foreign policy in the Senate.

Instead, the mantle of experience is being credited to a former first lady because she's met with foreign leaders, helped her husband on policy issues and supported him against political attacks.

Polls show more than four in 10 voters nationwide - including Republicans and independents - give Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton the edge among the Democratic candidates on the issue of experience.

"She sat as close to the job as you can sit without doing it," said Bob Sweeney an assistant high school principal and undecided Democrat from Atlantic, Iowa.

"She's worked with foreign diplomats before," said Leanne Dell of Pella, Iowa, an uncommitted Democrat.

"Everybody pooh-poohed her talk of a vast right wing conspiracy," said Fred Noon, president of the Municipal Laborers Local 353 in Des Moines. "There absolutely was. It may not have been coordinated, but she and her husband have been the focus of a right wing slander campaign, and they handled it very well."

Her current job as a senator from New York has helped Clinton learn "how to deal with other senators," according to Mark Pape, an administrator for a county jail from Maquoketa, Iowa, who supports former Sen. John Edwards.

Still, others say it's more of a package that dates back to her days as first lady of Arkansas.

"I'd say life experience and her experience in the Senate. All of the above," said Sue Thielmann, a retired high school teacher from Muscatine, Iowa.

Sweeney, Dell, Pape, Noon and Thielmann are among Iowa Democrats being courted by the party's eight presidential candidates competing in caucuses this winter.

Christopher Hull, author of a new book on the Iowa presidential caucus who has worked for Republican lawmakers, credits Clinton's campaign with taking the issue of experience off the table by continuously promoting her as having experience.

"I think it is a triumph of message," said Hull, whose book is titled "Grassroots Rules: How the Iowa Caucus Helps Elect American Presidents." "What Hillary Clinton's campaign is doing, is saying a thing enough times that it makes it so."

Karen O'Connor, director of the Women and Politics Institute at American University, said Clinton was involved in policy issues from the start of her husband's administration.

"To some extent, it's almost like she was the vice president for eight years and is now running having been a vice president, if you will, as well as being in the Senate," O'Connor said.

Clinton's signature policy issue as first lady was as an advocate for universal health care in 1993-94, leading the development of a complex plan that ultimately failed to pass Congress.

But Clinton was vague at a New Hampshire debate Wednesday night about her role in foreign policy issues as first lady.

"I was certainly involved in talking about a lot of what went on in terms of the president's decisions. But I know very well that the president makes the decision. Everyone in the White House is there because of one person - the president - including the spouse of the president," she said. "What I believe is that it is the ultimate responsibility of a president to seek out a broad cross section of advisers who will have different points of view and provide different perspectives, and that's what I intend to do, and that is certainly what my husband did as well. "

http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007709300372
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 09:30 AM
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1. We won't be hearing from the voters until they vote.
And they don't start voting until January.

Fate may have quite a bit planned for all our candidates between now and then.
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 09:52 AM
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2. With enough $$ and connections you can make people believe anything
Flood the airwaves with warnings that a foreign leader has nuclear weapons and intends to use them on us and you can convince enough people that we should go to war. The same thing can be done with a candidate. In both scenarios the people were, and are, being sold a bill of goods. Allowing ourselves to believe the first example, the fantasy threat, has led to disastrous consequences. Perhaps we need to start paying closer attention to the world around us and become more pro-active. Simply stated, Hillary is not the most experience candidate for president, nor is she best qualified. You may like her, but these things she is not.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 09:55 AM
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4. Define "experience," duckie.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 09:52 AM
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3. Okay. What we mean by EXPERIENCE is...
Edited on Sun Sep-30-07 09:53 AM by aquart
She took a licking and kept on ticking. People keep thinking it means legislative stuff. It means she walked thru fire and never lost her cool. She never disgraced us in any public way, shape, or form and EVERYTHING was thrown at her. Remember, Scaife started funding attacks on the Clintons way back in the Arkansas days.

And then, after it was all over and she could have run and hid, she did not. She walked right back into the fire. THAT's the experience we're talking about.

Not to mention, she set an amazing example of forgiveness by allowing Bill to live, and to continue living beside her. What does that mean exactly? Not petty. Not spiteful. With a loyalty that does not depend on getting tit for tat. She didn't bake cookies but she did stand by her man. And it wasn't a sham. They are still standing up for each other and meaner, pettier, smaller souls can't stand it.

As for those who keep trying to tell me she's phony and cold, LOOK AT HER DAUGHTER. That child was raised in loving warmth.

So go back to disagreeing with her corporate sympathies. You have grounds there. But this other crap came out of a horse's ass.







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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 12:00 PM
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15. I'm sorry, but not losing your cool under pressure doesn't qualify you to be POTUS
A certain amount of credit should be given to her for her years as First Lady, but only so much. It may have been tough, but let's not forget that that experience wasn't exactly thrust upon her. She very much wanted to be queen of world. There was really no pressure on her do do much of anything except put up with a lot of crap. She didn't have to run for reelection, produce legislation, or lead committees. Do you really think Laura Bush is qualified to be president?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 09:56 AM
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5. That experience was to CONTINUE Poppy Bush's foreign policy and protect his
covert operations as they continued.

No one wants to dare question WHY and HOW BushInc became STRONGER in the 90s and more shielded after it was so weakened and exposed by Jan 1993?


http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 10:07 AM
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7. No, that is YOUR experience... spamming the same posts over and over again..
some psychologists/psychiatrists call it obsessive/compulsive disorder.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 10:42 AM
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8. and some would call obsessive protectiveness of the powerful elite a bad thing...
but hey, who cares, when your side gets to wear the mask, eh?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 10:53 AM
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10. What mask was Kerry wearing when he told us, "He would fight for us"?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 10:59 AM
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11. He passed along the word of the party chair Terry McAuliffe who LIED to him and us
when he said he would counter the election fraud after the hearings on 2000s election fraud.

But then, you KNOW that McAuliffe didn't do that at all and let the problem get worse, and you supported that strategy for Hillary2008 as you are a devoted member of that team.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 11:14 AM
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12. Blaming anyone but Kerry for giving up is so you!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 11:25 AM
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14. Blaming Kerry because he didn't do Terry McAuliffe's job for 4yrs is so YOU.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 10:04 AM
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6. Yeah, and four years ago the American public thought that Bush was a better person for the WH
Goes to show you how much the public really knows:shrug: Ooo, she's been first lady and had six years in the Senate, what maaahhhvelous experience she's had:eyes:
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 12:03 PM
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16. WHAT? > Bush was a better person for the WH? - yor forgetting election fraud - duh!
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 10:46 AM
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9. She was the closest advisor to a successful governor and two-term President
And she is a two term senator of one of the most important states in the union. Of course she has the most experience! (I'm an Obama supporter, BTW)
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 11:21 AM
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13. I agree, and I haven't decided on anyone yet.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 12:43 PM
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18. Agree.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 12:06 PM
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17. Bush has a ton of "leadership" experience, too. He still sucks.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 12:50 PM
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19. Ok, so leadership experience is bad now, then?
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 12:57 PM
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20. Leadership experience in and of itself
Does not make you a good leader. It is what you take away from that experience that defines your leadership abilities. Hilaries recent Iran vote and previous Iraq war votes show pretty clearly to me what she is taking away from hers and its not what I would have hoped for nor is it what I want from my president.

So no Experience all by itself is not necessarily a good thing.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 12:59 PM
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21. No, but stating that it's a NEGATIVE thing because "Bush had it", is pretty stupid. nt.
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