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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 01:26 PM
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the Media wanted Kerry - the Media got Kerry

do you all really believe the primaries are voting on un rigged machines?

has BBV evaporated?
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SeveneightyWhoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 01:27 PM
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1. Or--
maybe the primary voters wanted Kerry?
Could that possibly be the scenario here? Just think about it.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 01:29 PM
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2. I've been steadily thinking about it
nt
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 01:33 PM
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6. Remember
the "media" wrote Kerry off months ago. Far as I can see, the actual voters ignored the media and made their own choice....and weren't stampeded by media or the internet.
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Frederic Bastiat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 04:46 PM
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27. That would make too much sense
;)
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 01:29 PM
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3. Damn Skippy! 100% accurate I couldn't agree more Media Whores
took advantage of the sleeping voters.

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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 01:31 PM
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4. How'd they rig Iowa?
:shrug:
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 01:33 PM
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7. Good question...
blow up dolls? remote control zombies?
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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 01:59 PM
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14. LOL
Blow Up Dolls For Kerry! A new demographic!

Nine out of ten remote control zombies endorse Kerry! Wait, I thought the Zomby vote was going for Kucinich? :evilgrin:

Now we're just getting silly.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:32 PM
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29. LOL! Can just see the grassroots organization and website for that
segment of the electorate.
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 01:32 PM
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5. Wait, I thought they wanted Leiberman?....
...that's what we heard in the beginning.....and then when Clark entered the race it seemed like all I heard was how the media wanted Clark "the republican operative mole" to win......then all we heard about was how Dean was unstoppable and that Kerry's campaign was in the dumps.

Now because Kerry is actually winning it's the media's fault?

Why do I bother reading this stuff.
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 01:37 PM
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8. Could you provide some analysis of the 2003 Media Pattern? Opposite was
evidenced, I believe. The media tried to kill Kerry by boosting
Dean in public opinion.
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cspiguy Donating Member (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 01:38 PM
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9. A-F'ing-Men - but they don't need rigged machines
just rigged newspapers, polls, and tv shows...
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Caution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 01:38 PM
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10. geee...do you think that just maybe
this crap is insulting to those of us who might actually support and cast votes for Kerry?
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 01:42 PM
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11. so you all think the voting has been on the up and up?

and BBV is a passing fad?
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 01:50 PM
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13. Yes, I think the voting has been on the up and up.
The voting pretty much matches the data gathered at exit polls.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 01:48 PM
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12. Not sure about the media
but it's obvious that the voters wanted Kerry.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 02:00 PM
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15. They only wanted Kerry temporarily.
The guy they really want is Edwards.
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 02:04 PM
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16. The Democratic Voters Want John Kerry!!
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edzontar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 02:46 PM
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21. I'm a Democratic voter and I don't.....
I direct you to the daily llst of war dead for my own personal reason.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 03:04 PM
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23. Not this Democratic voter!
I want Howard Dean!
I want my Party back!
I want my Country back!
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 02:30 PM
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17. Three reasons why "the media" want Kerry
1. Dean threatened to break up media cartels. That sin is unforgivable. Thus proven an apostate, it was not long before Screamin' Dean was burned at the stake. Even this week, the news stories were quick to put a point on how "doomed" his campaign had become, lest any children or simpletons think the possibility of reform stands a chance with this most iron-bound of institutions.

2. "The media," as Chomsky explained long ago, pipeline the voice of America's ruling class. And that class finds little wrong, and much that is very right, in Kerry and the DLC. As his blue-chip campaign contributions attest, Kerry is one of theirs. After the scare put into the establishment by Dean's cranky, unpredictable populism, Kerry looks to them like a nice muscle relaxant: good for the joints.

3. Many in the establishment have tired of Bush's incompetence. Kerry is auguring a return to Clintonian steadiness: corporate America shall get its way, as always, but with a higher degree of competence from its political wing.
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jansu Donating Member (473 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 03:00 PM
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22. A voice of reason, a voice of thought....
how rare!
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 03:09 PM
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24. That's Why The Media Kissed Dean's Ass For Month After Month
Until his wife's absence could no longer go unnoticed, the Iowa voters went for Kerry and his inappropriate outside the norm Speech in Iowa.

Even after the inevitable re-running of the Scream... the media did their best to resurrect Dean... giving him favorable interviews etc.

But Dean imploded on his own.
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 02:31 PM
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18. Wow
It's getting pretty pathetic in here.
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Ficus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 02:33 PM
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19. yep- it was skull and bonesmen
who caucused for him here in Iowa.

What a rigged machine, that whole democratic process thing!
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 02:42 PM
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20. Not yet.
Edwards is better copy and much more exciting. The underdog comeback story is the most popular form of hooplah in American Entertainment, and a story's a story.

There's remarkably little real excitement about Kerry, and it shows. I wish Edwards had the resources to actively contest the three races next week; were the media to see another win in one of those, it could really wake people up.

Regardless of the skewing of the media--and I guarantee you, conservatives would MUCH rather run against Long John Sourpuss than Johnny R. Goode--there's a story here, and there's enthusiasm in the hearts of the Edwards supporters. America loves the new. America loves this kind of crap, and the market influence of the infotainment business has to come into play at least somewhat.

Why settle for rectitude when you can have enthusiasm?
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 04:28 PM
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25. Anyone Else Notice That The Media Beat Up On Kerry Until
AFTER he blew Dean and Gephardt out of the water?
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Monte Carlo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 04:37 PM
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26. The Media wants easy, pre-packaged stories...
... because in the world of corporate ownership, the companies are interested in only one thing; themselves. They want a maximization of advertising revenue with a minimization of business expenses and the costs of real journalism. That's it.

It's latched on to Kerry the same way it latched onto Dean; they were the newest best thing, and they can fill hour after hour of time in-between commercials with cheap analysts and experts and overanalysts and hacks. Commentary costs almost nothing, journalism applied to presidential campaigns costs much more than nothing.

From where I stand, I can only hope that during the time Kerry has recieved so much loving media attention before they're out for the next big thing, that he leaves a few lasting impressions on the voters come March and November.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 04:49 PM
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28. Why wouldn't the media tap Liberman, Graham or better yet, Sharpton
And why would they boost Dean during the summer up until his "records seal" scandal when they turned on him.
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