Hillary the Uniter...

[SaveElmer]

The breadth, depth, and quality of the folks endorsing Hillary for President is quite breathtaking...she is attracting Democrats from all segments of the party...and the fact they are making these endorsements pre-primary is quite telling as to the value they put on her experience and intelligence..

On the left she has received endorsements from legends like Dolores Huerta , human rights activist and co-founder of the United Farm Workers (UFW) with Cesar Chavez...

Anti-war stalwarts such as Rob Reiner, Congressman Jim McGovern, and Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee have endorsed Hillary, and now it appears she will receive the endorsement of war-hero, and legendary liberal Democrat, our nominee in 1972 George McGovern

Of course she has received the endorsement of Amb. Joe WIlson, attacked by the Bush administration for telling the truth...

She has received endorsements from military leaders Admiral Joe Sestak, now a Congressman, and of course Maj. General Wesley Clark, #1 in his class at West Point, architect of the successful operation in Bosnia and Supreme Commander of NATO .

And she has also earned the endorsement of prominent moderates and centrists such as Evan Bayh of Indiana, Jane Harmon and Ellen Tauscher of California...

Despite the media characterization of her as polarizing, it appears within the various segments of the Democrat Party at least...she is viewed as the candidate best able to heal the divisions in our country...and I agree

[Tom Joad]

1. she is a uniter, not a divider. yep, sure looks like one of those.

[Dawgs]

2. "Hillary the Uniter"

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[William769]

8. Want to compare Hillary's endorsements to Obama's?

[Name removed]

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[Dawgs]

85. No I don't. I actually have a life outside of DU.

[ihelpu2see]

154. My thoughts exactly Uniter??

:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:

[hedgehog]

3. Are these real endorsements, or conservative bets placed by

people who have been told she is going to win and who know that if they don't jump on the bandwagon now, they'll be frozen out later?

[OneBlueSky]

128. bingo! . . . latching onto the bandwagon to establish bona fides . . . n/t

.

[Texas_Kat]

4. One correction...

General Clark is a 4 star general .... the title is "General"..... A Major General is a 3 star general.

[ShortnFiery]

9. Many of us who have served in the military resist getting "stars in our eyes" that makes

former General Officers more than mere mortals. :eyes:

[Texas_Kat]

17. What does that have to do with anything?

[ShortnFiery]

5. Yes, but there's a very strong undercurrent against your heroine ...

but the beltway politicos and their admiring fans will not realize it until it comes back to bite them in their political a**es.

The more you shove her down our throats, the more we will resist ... it will NOT be a pretty GE campaign. You can take that to the bank. :hi:

[HeraldSquare212]

6. Is that why they endorsed her?

Have they said they view her as best able to heal divisions? Just curious. I'm guessing it's your interpretation of the endorsements, but you seem to attribute the sentiment to those people.

[againes654]

7. So will Hillary the Uniter

turn into Hillary the Decider?

[William769]

10. As soon as she is sworn in as the 44th President of the United States

All will be good. :)

[againes654]

13. Um, guess I should have used the scarsam thingy

Ya know, Bush is the decider. I was really making a joke.

[William769]

14. I know you were.

[movonne]

15. God how I wish you are right...but I can't get over her voting on

the Lieberman's war with Iran..

[William769]

20. Maybe if you understood what a non binding resolution was, you could.

Unless of course it's just faux outrage.

[saracat]

27. Really ? Why vote for something that disgusting even if it is "non binding" unless

you are either "pandering" to the RW or actually support it? Would you support Hillary signing on to a suggested bill supporting torture and removal of heads of state if it were "nonbinding" ?

[Lerkfish]

32. right, if we don't support a NEW war in Iran, its faux outrage.

:rolleyes:

[Lerkfish]

31. that sort of fanaticism is what scares the rest of us, btw.

we already have a leader with blind fanatical adherents who view him as God.

been there, don't want that.

[William769]

34. How do you get "fanaticism" out of that?

[Lerkfish]

100. LOL! if you have to ask, you can't afford it.

No matter who gets elected, "all will be good" is pollyanic at best.

Even the most capable Democratic president will have so much crap to wade through to get this country right again.

Its fanatical, IMHO, to think everything will be solved if Clinton, or anyone, is elected. I'm too cynical to swallow that from her supporters.

I better listen to those candidates who realistically understand the political landscape and have the principles to address the real challenges. Simply declaring things will be ok is not enough, and frankly reminds me too much of the current republican meme of declaring things are great in Iraq or in New Orleans when obviously they aren't.

I also think the attempt to pander to the right bespeaks two possibilities for the future, either she will betray THEM after the election, or US.

Guess which ones I think she will betray? Certainly not the corporationas.

[blm]

84. And the books on BushInc2 will be closed - the same privilege afforded Poppy Bush.

Isn't that just swell?

[Auntie Bush]

153. Don't you think she'd be a fool to keep the books open on her husband?

Just like it would be foolish for bush to keep the books open on his Father and the Reagan books open where his Father was CIA and VP. I HATE the idea that this happened...and I'd LOVE to peek inside them...but, come on...let's be realistic and understanding. You surly must understand why.
Hillary ain't a fool! Not gonna happen!

[William769]

12. The list is so long that we have many theads in the Hillary Clinton Supporters Group

Haven't been able to update it recenly because the list is frowing so fast. :wow:

[movonne]

18. I guess that's a good reason to vote for her....I think a lot of people

lined up behind bush too...does that make it good???

[William769]

19. Really? Who was that bunch?

[saracat]

16. Does it bother you at all how many good Dems may leave the party if Hillary is nominated?

I am not talking about the "Johnny come lately" who just joined to rebel against the Iraq war or because they hate Bush but those who have been Dems for their entire lifetime and those who have worked and dedicated time and money. Do you care at all about the loss of those people? I know many who for them , Hillary will be the last straw. And she is doing NOTHING to help that situation and neither are her supporters. These people have been condescended to and treated like dirt. Where is the "unity" for them? I am very concerned about those people. They are our "real base".

[William769]

21. And you have yet to offer anything to substantiate what you just wrote.

[saracat]

25. What can I say to substantiate it? Do you want names? I know that many of my legislative PC'

will quit the party as well as many of our volunteers and some staff at both our county and State HQ. But you don't want to believe that do you? The anti-_Hillary feeling is not just confined to boards like DU. I also am personally acquainted with some who "publicly" support her out of "fear ' but will NOT vote for her, or so they say.

[William769]

30. I know people that will leave the party over a Obama nomination and a Edwards nomination.

So where does that leave us?

[saracat]

36. I do not believe the feeling is as intense against Obama or Edwards as it is Hillary.

and it certainly isn't as visable in the specific group of voters I cite.I asked you a question and I guess by your answer I should infer you don't give a damn about the Democrats that concern me. I guess I should have expected that.

[William769]

37. I don't give a damn about Democrats that will leave the party on something like this period.

[blm]

38. Right - you've made it clear you have no kinship at all with open government Democrats.

And the anti-corruption wing of the party is a joke to the wing that protects secrecy and privilege above all else.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

[William769]

40. I have no kinship at all with no Democrats that want to take their ball and go home

With a temper tantrum.

I hope I am very clear on that. If I am not, please let me know.

[blm]

50. Except you DO support those Dems who took their ball and bat and kept it

from other Democrats from 2001-2006, don't you? Except their work for Lieberman, of course.

Historian Doug Brinkley, April 2004:
Whom does the biographer think his subject will pick as a running mate? Not Hillary Rodham Clinton. Audio Link"There's really two different Democratic parties right now: there's the Clintons and Terry McAuliffe and the DNC and then there's the Kerry upstarts. John Kerry had one of the great advantages in life by being considered to get the nomination in December. He watched every Democrat in the country flee from him, and the Clintons really stick the knife in his back a bunch of times, so he's able to really see who was loyal to him and who wasn't. That's a very useful thing in life."

And we all know that the bat Carville was carrying was wired to explode.

[William769]

56. I support any democrat thats running for office.

[blm]

66. Just like Carville, McAuliffe and Grunwald - Hillary2008/open for bizness since 2001.

Just to protect the secrecy and privilege of the ruling elite.

Again.

[William769]

70. I support any Democrat running for office.

[blm]

74. HAH - so do I. I'll support them as much as THEY did for other Dem nominees.

.

[William769]

79. Glad to hear you will support Democrats running for office.

[blm]

87. Sad to know the frontrunner isn't a good Democrat who supports other Democrats.

Whom does the biographer think his subject will pick as a running mate? Not Hillary Rodham Clinton. Audio Link"There's really two different Democratic parties right now: there's the Clintons and Terry McAuliffe and the DNC and then there's the Kerry upstarts. John Kerry had one of the great advantages in life by being considered to get the nomination in December. He watched every Democrat in the country flee from him, and the Clintons really stick the knife in his back a bunch of times, so he's able to really see who was loyal to him and who wasn't. That's a very useful thing in life."

[William769]

89. Like I said I vote for democrats running for office.

[blm]

92. You support secrecy protecting Democrats who undermine HONEST Democrats.

I'm glad a noted HISTORIAN was there to witness it.

[Nedsdag]

146. People have the right to express their opinion.

Just because they don't support Queen Hillary doesn't mean they'll stand in the corner and be quiet.

It's not a "temper tantrum," it's reality.

And don't bring up the Supreme Court excuse for voting for Hillary. If John Paul Stevens drops dead tomorrow, guess who has to choose his successor? Not Hillary.

[saracat]

41. So lifelong Dems leaving doesn't concern you? You don't care?

You don't think any kind of damage control should be done? You are just prepared to let them walk? Wow. Enough said I guess. This is not the advice Bill Clinton gave us a few years ago when asked about such situations.I guess this proves how unlike her spouse Hillary is.Bill Clinton was never condecending. And this condecension seems to be the hallmark of the Hillary Campign." My way or the Highway". And that is why many do not like her or the Campaign.

[William769]

42. See post #45. NT.

[saracat]

45. Yup. Clinton Condescension to the max.Perfect illustration. You might make points if

you tried to understand.But you truly don't care.Classic.Not much uniting going on here.

[William769]

47. I don't need to make points with anyone.

If a sleaze bag want to leave then let them, thay have nothing to offer anyway.

[saracat]

57. Wow! Just Wow! You don't even know who they are and you can say that .

I meant make points for your candidate. But you don't care.Some of these people are former elected officials and others are party officials and staffers yet you think they have "nothing to offer"? We all have something to offer.Maybe that is the real point.Some don't think that.

[William769]

58. What part of I don't care, don't you understand?

I thought I was very clear.

[Lerkfish]

141. clearer than perhaps you realize.

[ronnykmarshall]

48. Can you provide that list?

Thank you, I'll wait.

[saracat]

59. You don't seriously think I would "give' you the names so that they could be "punished'

or that I would list people without permission?

[Name removed]

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[ronnykmarshall]

73. Punished?

Put down the bong.

[saracat]

81. Hillary is famous for vengance towards those that do not support her.

That was very well known during the 1992 campaign and in the WH. I know this from those who worked in the WH during the Clinton Admin.You do not cross Hillary. I thought that was why some supported her.They see her as a pitbull against the RW but she also turns on those in her own party who disagree.

[ronnykmarshall]

86. Yeah, ok ...

[saracat]

88. Do you truly not know that? It is common knowledge! Sheesh.

[ronnykmarshall]

90. Linky, linky please.

I'll ask the nun to reload the bong in the mean time.

[saracat]

102. I suggest Carl Bernstein's book or any of the first hand accounts of

campaign 1992 that are available.Follow is a link summarizing some books about this.Also you cannot have forgotten her public tantrum over David Geffen supporting Obama? There is also a link to a NY times article mentioning that Bill is able to "forgive' his trespassers but she is not.That link will follow shortly.

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:S-W-3zsMFdQJ:www.bloggernews.net/110001+Hillary+Clinton+temper&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us

[William769]

60. Good luck with that!

[Cameron27]

103. My feeling is as intensely against John Edwards

as yours is for Hillary, however I only criticize him on the issues when I have links to good sources to back up what I'm saying. I won't leave the Democratic Party if he's the nominee, but I find him close to impossible to vote for.

Where are the polls showing the estimated number of people who will leave the party if Clinton gets the nod? She keeps growing her lead so she's evidently the most popular candidate out there, no matter what her negatives show.

[JNelson6563]

155. I don't think it's understood.

Lots of keyboard commandoes here who have no idea all the work that the invisible, unappreciated activists do. Fundraisers, organizing, phone banks, canvassing...some think this all happens by magic or, worse, by those who are nothing but blind sheep who will simply do as they are expected.

Frankly the ignorance smacks a bit of elitism. Not only is the hard work taken for granted but it is EXPECTED.

Julie

[ShortnFiery]

23. No worries, the DLC will use the "tried and true" tactics of the last two Presidential Elections.

Intimidation, Guilt and/or Join the Team memes.

Yeah, that's sure to work almost as well as the two LOSSES / DEFEATS. :crazy:

[ronnykmarshall]

51. That just horrible the way they've been treated.

Told to "go to hell" and how they should "be ashamed of themselves". Oh wait that's how Clinton supporters are treated.

[Capn Sunshine]

22. Well , she sure has united DU

or is the word I'm looking for "polarized"?

I'm glad she's a uniterer and not a divider

Can't wait to see how that all works out.

[Clark2008]

24. Ermm... Clark is not a Major General - they have only three stars.

He is a 4-star General... just a General, period.

[ShortnFiery]

28. Correction Clark has ZERO stars - his butt is Civilian now like the rest of us slobs.

;)

[SaveElmer]

35. Point taken...thanks!

[Zandor]

26. Only DLCers support her !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:sarcasm:

[Sparkly]

29. Sheila Jackson Lee, George McGovern, Joe Wilson, and General Clark

Those are impressive names in my book! :thumbsup:

(I'm still undecided and kinda unenthused though.)

[rosesaylavee]

33. Ditto.

And not sure why they would endorse her. What are they seeing that I am not? :shrug:

[saracat]

39. They have proven themselves to be politcal "opportunists' and I am disappointed in them.

Except MvGovern who I am sorry for.

[ronnykmarshall]

43. Dolores Huerta ???

Opportunists?

[saracat]

46. She may just be mislead.

[ronnykmarshall]

76. So your saying she isn't intellegent enough ?

She can't think for herself.

I don't think a woman like her could be "mislead".

Oh wait ... maybe she's too scared of being "punished".

Yeah! That's it. That's the ticket. I'll have to tell my wife, Morgan Fairchild about that.

[SaveElmer]

77. C'mon...you know it's cause she isn't hip enough!!!

[ronnykmarshall]

78. Oh that's right.

And she's old too. Most people think she's dead anyway. You know the real "progressive" ones.

Just another of "yesterday's stars".

[saracat]

104. Anyone can be mislead for many reasons.I have met Dolores and I have interviewed her.

I like Dolores. She is certainly intelligent.I do not know how she arrived at her decision but I think she is wrong.She has the right to be wrong and I have the right to not support her endorsement!

[ronnykmarshall]

111. That's all nice and stuff ...

But YOU rasied the question that she was "mislead".

I'm sure she'd have a few choice words about that. It's fine that you don't agree with her support of Hillary, but I'd like to see you say that to her face.

[saracat]

122. I would have NO problem doing that.

[Ken Burch]

132. She may just be a path of least resistance type now.

Lots of people give up their principles in later years and settle for power in name.
How Dolores could back a free trade groupie is beyond me.
You can't back NAFTA and still care about decent treatment of farm workers.

[SaveElmer]

44. Pathetic...

Do you consider Dolores Huerta a political opportunist?

Your bitterness is so profound you can't help but demonize anyone who might disagree with you about Hillary...no matter how courageous they have been in life...

[saracat]

52. You may be right.I view Hillary as one of the worst disasters the might befall our party

and our nation. I have repeatedly said I would have difficulty voting for her.I would "try" if she is the nominee but her votes and her relationships with such people like Murdoch and her corporate lobbyist connections make her an anathema to me. This does not seem to me to be a person who is interested int the welfare of this nation.She has been too quick to sellout even when it would cost her nothing to take a principled stand.

[SaveElmer]

53. You ought to remove yourself form the netroots for a while...

Step back...and do some independent research on your own...

It ought to give you pause that people such as I have listed, courageous accomplished people with no political or economic need to support Hillary have done so...perhaps you might consider the possibility that they are correct and you are not...

[Ethelk2044]

55. Whatever you are drinking must be be damn good.

[saracat]

69. More condescension. You don't address any of my concerns with Hillary's association with Murdoch

or her voting record or her super tight lobbyist connections. I have done my "independent" research and that is why I do NOT support this woman for president in the primary.

[SaveElmer]

75. I did...

Your characterization of them is wrong...

[saracat]

82. We disagree!

[SaveElmer]

83. Clearly!

[Ken Burch]

134. Hillary got Marian Wright Edelman to abandon poor kids.

She and Bill were great at getting progressives to surrender. No matter that nothing progressive happened the last time(which means nothing progressive could happen this time, as you know).

[Maribelle]

138. I get a strong impression that Ms. Edelman did more for poor kids yesterday than ...

you have probably done in you life time. It's like Bush loving children so much, he went off on his endless drunk weekends leaving Laura home alone to raise the twins, until big momma laid down the law firmly and clearly.

[Ken Burch]

151. She obeyed HRC and refused to protest against Bill's signing of the Death To The Poor bill in '96

A signing that abandoned everything the party and progressives believe in, and which didn't gain Bill a single vote anywhere in the election.

Democrats are supposed to fight FOR the powerless, not sell them out to appease bigots. And only racists and bigots really wanted "welfare reform" as the GOP proposed it anyway.

[Cameron27]

123. They have proven themselves to be political

"opportunists." This is beginning to stink. How about Maya Angelou, is she a political opportunist or just senile? Maybe she's just stupid enough to be misled:

http://www.observer.com/2007/maya-angelou-hillary-clinton

[Ninga]

72. Martin Sheen, Rob Reiner, Susan Sarandon, Paul Newman, and Robin Williams

along with John Conyers, Sheila Jackson Lee, and other Dems

Endorsed Howard Dean in '03...... Endorsements don't seem to translate to primary votes.

[Ethelk2044]

49. This Post is funny

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

DAMN I need some of what you are drinking. Hillary is so polaring yet she is a uniter

:shrug:

[Clintonista2]

107. How does it feel to know that no one believes your RW smears anymore?

[lvx35]

54. The Wes Clark endorsement impresses me a lot.

Clark is a principled guy as well as a strategist. If he thought she wasn't for real, he wouldn't be backing her. But it looks like he believes in her enough to support her. (though it may be a somewhat strategic move for the good of the Democratic party)

[Ninga]

61. Here, read these endorsements.

for Howard Dean in '03..... We have yet to see an primary election where the endorsements made a difference in the outcome.


Though Dean lagged in early endorsements, he acquired many critical ones as his campaign snowballed.

By the time of the Iowa caucuses, he led among commitments from superdelegates — elected officials and party officers entitled to convention votes by virtue of their positions.

On November 12, 2003, he received the endorsements of the Service Employees International Union and the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees.
Dean received the endorsement of former Vice President and presidential candidate Al Gore, on December 9, 2003.
In the following weeks Dean was endorsed by former U.S. senators Bill Bradley and Carol Moseley Braun, unsuccessful Democratic presidential candidates from the 2000 and 2004 primaries, respectively.
Other high-profile endorsers included:<15>
Governors (and former Governors) Bruce Babbitt, Lowell P. Weicker, Jr., Jim McGreevey, Toney Anaya, Ann Richards
Senators (and former Senators) Tom Harkin, Fred R. Harris, Howard Metzenbaum, Jim Jeffords, Patrick Leahy
Representatives (and former Representatives) Jesse Jackson, Jr., John Conyers, Major Owens, Sheila Jackson Lee
Baltimore Mayor Martin J. O'Malley
Several celebrities from the entertainment industry also endorsed him, including Martin Sheen, Rob Reiner, Susan Sarandon, Paul Newman, and Robin Williams<16>
Many pundits would blame such endorsements for the campaign's eventual collapse. Dean was running as an outsider, and accepting the support of such establishment figures was seen by some as hypocritical

[Ethelk2044]

63. I do not care about endorsements. Hillary is so polarizing

I have never seen anyone this polarizing. They can endorse all they want. I am not fooled because of an endorsement. Endorsements does not stop people from being polarizing

[William769]

64. Is she from the Arctic?

[Ethelk2044]

65. She is cold as hell. She is calculating. She is out for what she can get instead of being

for the people.

[William769]

67. Kind of like you I assmue then.

[Ethelk2044]

68. No, Like you and yours

[William769]

71. ...

:rofl:

[Jed Dilligan]

80. Your posts are really fun

because I am hearing them in the voice of Stewie Griffin.

[kad7777]

91. Look at all the divisive posts on DU

Does Hillary's candidacy remotely seem like she's uniting people?
Just an observation.

[William769]

95. And how representative is DU to America?

[ronnykmarshall]

96. Beat me to it.

[Nedsdag]

147. Well you guys are always posting in DU.

Apparently you believe DU is representative of America.

[kad7777]

97. People are people

whether it's here at DU or across America.

[ronnykmarshall]

98. If that was the case ..

Bush would have never been "elected".

[kad7777]

99. ...ok

[Ken Burch]

133. At least as representative as your superiors at the DLC.

n/t.

[William769]

145. And your proof?

[Maribelle]

119. Yes.

Hillary substantially leads other Democratic candidate because she has united so many behind her. She is uniting people all over the country, deep into the nooks and crannies of all walks of life in this land, from sea to shining sea, from the Gulf of Mexico to the Canadian border, across the Pacific to Hawaii and up to Alaska. Hillary is rolling thunder.

[depakid]

93. Irony, irony

Seems that- like the candidate herself, people will say anything, no matter how absurd it is.

[jgraz]

94. I agree!! We're all united against her nomination.

Well, except for you.

[AtomicKitten]

101. * snort *

[itsrobert]

105. Didn't Bush say he was an uniter

same shit, different candidate.

[rufus dog]

106. Haven't run the numbers

But I bet the average age would be similar to Bill O's Demographics!

[illinoisprogressive]

108. she is polarizing and the most hated woman in politics. she's also a neocon.

[William769]

109. Oy vey.

Calling her a neocon shows just how much you DON"T know.

[ronnykmarshall]

117. She's old and un-hip

Thank god the majority of Obama's supporters are not so fucking ignorant as the ones on DU.

He's a good man and deserves much better. As I'm sure he does.

[Ken Burch]

135. What is it with you and the phrase "un-hip"?

Nobody who disagreed with HRC actually used that phrase at any point.

[ronnykmarshall]

140. It's a phrase that's been used over and over by

an Obama supporter.

[Ken Burch]

150. OH. Hadn't read those posts.

Thanks for the explanation.

[Ken Burch]

131. You can't call her a Democrat(not other than in registration)

REAL Democrats don't treat activists, unions and the poor with contempt, while getting mooney-eyed over CEO's.

[ronnykmarshall]

112. and McGovern is not dead!

News flash to you and your age bashing.

I love that you have the fucking NERVE to still show your face after your post that insult older to people time and time again.

Here's another newsflash ..... you'll be "old" and "unhip" one day. DEAL WITH IT!

[Cameron27]

124. And Maya Angelou must be either senile, a political

opportunist or such a dumb dumb that she's been misled. How many more inspirational leaders will get trashed before the primary's over?

[Nedsdag]

148. You're already old and unhip

by having Mary Wilson as your signature photo.

[ShortnFiery]

114. Well put! Try all you like but you can't wash out "self-righteousness" and it's ugly. nt

[ronnykmarshall]

115. To quote you .... how predictable

You defend someone that time and time again bashes "old" people. I guess that if it's an attack on Clinton who gives a fuck, right?

[ShortnFiery]

116. Try as you might, you can't FORCE people to like HRC.

:shrug:

[ronnykmarshall]

118. I don't give a shit.

Good god. That's your only comeback? Helen Keller can see that you'll never support Hillary Clinton. But of course like a little kid on the playground you'll always have to have the last word. So post your little comeback because I know it will make you feel better.

You know deep in my heart I love ya more than more my luggage!

:loveya:

[Maribelle]

120. It's not Hillary that is doing the polarization.

The hate campaign against her is truly vile.

[ronnykmarshall]

121. I hear ya ....

[Ken Burch]

130. It's not a hate campaign to point out that HRC is antiprogressive and antiactivist

It's just pointing out the reality of the situation.

And remember, the only reason she's considered the frontrunner is that the corporate media has anointed her. It is based on nothing in actual earthly reality.

(And if you want vile, bunky, check out Red Zelda's scorched earth posts about Dennis Kucinich. You'd think the guy tortured her pets or something.)

[Maribelle]

136. Hillary is the frontrunner because more Democratic voters support her. That is reality.

The media jumped on the issue only after Hillary showed substantive leads across the country when reliable polling firms announced the results at the local level.

[Lerkfish]

142. so the fact she is pro war and pro corporate is immaterial?

[calteacherguy]

110. Yes, and the country will unite behind as well! nt

[ShortnFiery]

113. Sure.

And the check's in the mail. :eyes:

[rufus dog]

125. settle down HRC supporters

Look, we will have had SIXTEEN FUCKING YEARS OF DIVISIVENESS! Can you understand why we don't want more? Bill C didn't deserve a great deal of it, but he did fold a bit in 94, then became more conservative. Then we had the corrupt Bushies, so a great many of us are done!

HRC will do absolutely nothing to eliminate the divisiveness, she is hated by the right, a target, and a whole lot of progressives/liberals have a very hard time warming up to her. Don't take it as a personal bashing, it is more like being the youngest sibling and going home for Thanksgiving and having the older members fight over something that happened years ago and then fighting about just about ANYTHING. At some point you are just done with it, and a whole large group of people are just done with the Clintons and Bush and the 60s. I don't want to here one more fucking thing regarding Viet Nam, Woodstock, Chicago in 68, Goldwater, Nixon, McGovern, Watergate. And Paul McCartney can shut the hell up too, he is almost 70 years old, quit trying to still act cute!

[Maribelle]

137. I've only had SEVEN FYOD. Get it?

And today, it is the Hillary Haters that are attempting to cause the divisiveness. And don't think that the hate being poured on Hillary today will not be rapidly redirected to whomever receives the Democratic nomination should it not be Hillary. And it's not just the candidates that are on the receiving end of the hate campaign. Take it from one who went door-to-door in low-income neighborhoods during the Democratic get-out-the-vote-campaign of 2004 - - hate mongers follow Democratic workers around and yell insults at them from the sidewalks.

Perhaps tape recorders will be the order of the day in 2008.

[w4rma]

126. She's uniting all the Republicans against her and Democrats in general. (nt)

[Maribelle]

139. Ms. Clinton has united more democrats behind her than any other Democratic candidate.

And as far as brainless republicans go, they will unite against whomever they are told to unite against.

[mark414]

127. ohhhh famous people are voting for her, i will now refrain from making up my own mind

[Ken Burch]

129. Uh Elmer...did you realize you wrote "Democrat Party"? Talk about blowing your GOP cover.

Why Sheila Jackson Lee is giving up for the year, God only knows.

Most of us know we don't HAVE to settle for victory in name only.

[Lerkfish]

149. LOL! slip of the freudian tongue, that.

:)

[fadedrose]

143. I still can't stand her (nmi)

[Carrieyazel]

144. Hillary unites all right. The other side will be tightly united.

[Ken Burch]

152. If you don't want "hating" than don't start threads for the sole purpose of GLOATING!

You had to know this thread would serve no purpose but to inflame people. People whose enthusiastic and passionate support you have to have to win.

Why stay with the failed "they have nowhere else to go" mindset?

Why not admit that you have an obligation to reach out to your opponents in the party and find common ground with them?

Why not admit that your party is more progressive than your candidate and that she needs to take that into account?

And why not admit that it really ISN'T a good thing to have conservative newspapers gloating about how much your candidate has "moved to the surrender", especially since you know that what they mean by that is "we know how to destroy her"?

If you really are the frontrunners, you don't NEED to "win ugly".

You need to "win inclusive" and "win conciliatory".

Stop treating activists as the enemy and you'll do much better.

[Enrique]

156. don't all those people know how dangerous she is?

do those people all want the democratic party to be permanently destroyed, which will surely happen if she's nominated?

Or are they all too STUPID to see the obvious?

:sarcasm: