If Clinton's AYE vote for Lieberman-Kyl Amendment means nothing, then...

[zulchzulu]

...why do Clinton fans make an issue about Obama not voting for the amendment?

I've seen the same people now pimping the idea that the amendment was just "non-binding" and also trashing Obama for not voting on it. If it didn't matter either way, then (1) why did she vote "AYE" and (2) why does it matter if she voted at all since it apparently doesn't count...

It appears the Clinton fans want to have it both ways. And no, that's not a "no pun intended" moment...

[Clintonista2]

1. Why did Obama co-sponser a bill earlier this year that was IDENTICAL to the one yesterday?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3555043&mesg_id=3555043

[atreides1]

7. Why

Because he's a politician, that's why!

Besides the one he co-sponsored was for economic sanctions, there was nothing in it about using all US abilities to force change.


8) Nothing in this Act should be construed as giving the President the authority to use military force against Iran.

[BootinUp]

10. Stretch

I haven't yet read the previous bill except for an excerpt, but something tells you are going to look silly. The resolution yesterday was watered down to specifically remove any reference to military action.

[Lord Helmet]

13. Hillary co-sponsored the same damn bill you are complaining about.

Hypocrite much?

S.970
Title: A bill to impose sanctions on Iran and on other countries for assisting Iran in developing a nuclear program, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Smith, Gordon H. (introduced 3/22/2007) Cosponsors (68)
Related Bills: H.R.3390
Latest Major Action: 3/22/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance. COSPONSORS(68), ALPHABETICAL : (Sort: by date)


Sen Akaka, Daniel K. - 6/6/2007
Sen Allard, Wayne - 4/24/2007
Sen Bayh, Evan - 3/22/2007
Sen Bennett, Robert F. - 4/18/2007
Sen Boxer, Barbara - 5/24/2007
Sen Brown, Sherrod - 4/26/2007
Sen Brownback, Sam - 3/22/2007
Sen Bunning, Jim - 4/25/2007
Sen Burr, Richard - 5/10/2007
Sen Cantwell, Maria - 4/18/2007
Sen Cardin, Benjamin L. - 4/12/2007
Sen Carper, Thomas R. - 9/6/2007
Sen Casey, Robert P., Jr. - 5/8/2007
Sen Chambliss, Saxby - 6/27/2007
Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham - 4/26/2007
Sen Coleman, Norm - 3/22/2007
Sen Collins, Susan M. - 4/17/2007
Sen Conrad, Kent - 4/11/2007
Sen Corker, Bob - 6/4/2007
Sen Cornyn, John - 5/7/2007
Sen Craig, Larry E. - 4/10/2007
Sen Crapo, Mike - 4/11/2007
Sen DeMint, Jim - 6/18/2007
Sen Dodd, Christopher J. - 3/28/2007
Sen Dole, Elizabeth - 4/11/2007
Sen Dorgan, Byron L. - 5/22/2007
Sen Durbin, Richard - 3/22/2007
Sen Ensign, John - 5/7/2007
Sen Graham, Lindsey - 5/1/2007
Sen Hutchison, Kay Bailey - 6/4/2007
Sen Inhofe, James M. - 5/23/2007
Sen Inouye, Daniel K. - 4/20/2007
Sen Isakson, Johnny - 5/10/2007
Sen Johnson, Tim - 6/11/2007
Sen Kennedy, Edward M. - 8/3/2007
Sen Kerry, John F. - 5/15/2007
Sen Klobuchar, Amy - 4/17/2007
Sen Kohl, Herb - 5/24/2007
Sen Kyl, Jon - 3/22/2007
Sen Landrieu, Mary L. - 4/18/2007
Sen Lautenberg, Frank R. - 3/22/2007
Sen Lieberman, Joseph I. - 3/22/2007
Sen Lincoln, Blanche L. - 7/11/2007
Sen Lott, Trent - 3/23/2007
Sen Martinez, Mel - 6/26/2007
Sen McCain, John - 4/24/2007
Sen McConnell, Mitch - 6/20/2007
Sen Menendez, Robert - 3/22/2007
Sen Mikulski, Barbara A. - 3/22/2007
Sen Murkowski, Lisa - 6/13/2007
Sen Murray, Patty - 6/28/2007
Sen Nelson, Bill - 6/4/2007
Sen Nelson, E. Benjamin - 5/15/2007
Sen Obama, Barack - 4/24/2007
Sen Pryor, Mark L. - 7/12/2007
Sen Roberts, Pat - 4/11/2007
Sen Salazar, Ken - 4/25/2007
Sen Schumer, Charles E. - 6/27/2007
Sen Sessions, Jeff - 4/17/2007
Sen Snowe, Olympia J. - 5/22/2007
Sen Stabenow, Debbie - 5/24/2007
Sen Stevens, Ted - 5/22/2007
Sen Sununu, John E. - 5/23/2007
Sen Tester, Jon - 5/7/2007
Sen Thune, John - 3/22/2007
Sen Vitter, David - 4/10/2007
Sen Voinovich, George V. - 6/26/2007
Sen Whitehouse, Sheldon - 8/2/2007

[rndmprsn]

2. there is NO defending that vote...

you could tell by the mess of an answer she gave, twisted as to please 10 different groups, pandering really.

[hisownpetard]

4. Yeah, what's up with that? Why DID she vote for it?? I still don't know. nt

[againes654]

3. She voted AYE

because she has to continue to sit in the middle. Like * told her, she better think about what she will be doing when she is in his seat.

Hilliary supports will get what they deserve.

[William769]

5. Maybe it's his reluctance to vote.

[acmavm]

6. There is NO defense of that vote. The difference is that she at

least voted. Not the right way, but she showed the world what she thought. Barrie took the coward's way out.

[BootinUp]

8. I think Obama supporters need to check his record

Here is part of an Amendment that was co-sponsored by Obama earlier this year with nearly identical language that was in the resolution yesterday:

S.790
The Secretary of State should designate the Iranian Revolutionary Guards as a Foreign Terrorist Organization under section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1189) and the Secretary of the Treasury should place the Iranian Revolutionary Guards on the list of Specially Designated Global Terrorists under Executive Order 13224 (66 Fed. Reg. 186; relating to blocking property and prohibiting transactions with persons who commit, threaten to commit, or support terrorism).

Co-sponsors of S.790
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:SN00970:@@@P

[killbotfactory]

14. There were 68 cosponsors to that bill, there has been no vote on it

It was only introduced into committee. If it ever makes it out of committee for a vote, the text of the bill is likely to be changed.

[Lucinda]

9. If you're looking for an honest answer

I believe it is because he has a history of voting present on not voting at all on issues that people believe he should take a stand on.

He neither flips nor flops, he just doesn't go on record.

[polichick]

11. imo the Aye votes are mostly about showing support for Israel...

The NO votes are anti-war statements, and the non votes are to keep from going on the record about something very controversial.

But they all know that, non-binding or not, Bush will take it as a go-ahead.

[madrchsod]

12. why did the democrats show up at all?

why bother to even consider voting of this admendment? why would they waste their time? a huge to do about nothing