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Herman Munster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 09:14 PM Original message |
Hillary's remedy is political genius |
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durrrty libby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 09:24 PM Response to Original message |
1. K for later |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 09:25 PM Response to Original message |
2. I hope - and suspect - that they are correct n/t |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 10:26 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. How many of those people who get their insurance through employers realize that |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 10:30 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. And how many retirees will realize that this will provide cover to switch their plan |
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midlife_mo_Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 12:42 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. My dad retired from a civil service job |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 07:17 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. sHillary's plan will only make it worse.... |
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ralphmich3 (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 09:11 PM Response to Reply #9 |
93. Somebody tell Hill the gov't is bankrupt |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 08:14 AM Response to Reply #8 |
26. Yes - social security and medicare "keep their promises" and do so cheaply and effectively n/t |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 08:13 AM Response to Reply #3 |
22. # of employers offering high deductible w/ savings account's now over 40% but # of ee's is under 5% |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 08:13 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. No, it's not but it's what being shoved by the insurance cos and it's what we will get. n/t |
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Gloria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 12:31 AM Response to Original message |
5. In the recent past I had such a "high deductible" plan combined with a |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 12:38 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. The Clinton Healthcare Plan should really be called the Healthcare Insurance Appeasement Act |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 08:16 AM Response to Reply #6 |
28. As long as the menu includes large group ins pricing and option for government plan it isa major |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 08:19 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. And rescission? n/t |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 08:24 AM Response to Reply #30 |
38. recission needs a legal reason - there is none when pre-existing is not a |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 08:20 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Option for a government plan -- it does NOT say you get it at the same cost |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 08:26 AM Response to Reply #31 |
40. True - but group pricing means lower than current - and that "medicare like" option will have |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 08:21 AM Response to Reply #28 |
33. And the ability to deny care? n/t |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 08:26 AM Response to Reply #33 |
41. Doctors are still able to deny care - but why would they when they know they will be paid? |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 08:27 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. No, the insurance companies can still deny care. I gotta go. n/t |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 08:33 AM Response to Reply #42 |
46. coverage design of the policies will most likely be regulated - but you're right that this |
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bpeale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 11:13 AM Response to Reply #6 |
62. Exactly!!! |
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Kelly Rupert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 12:41 AM Response to Original message |
7. Do I like everything about her plan? No. But it's better than what we've got now, |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 07:22 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Nope. YOu got it wrong. |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 08:18 AM Response to Reply #11 |
29. the Mitt option of high deductibe is not what is on offer in Hillary's plan - but |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 08:20 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Papau, you know darn good and well, this is what we are going to get. n/t |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 08:29 AM Response to Reply #32 |
43. If it is we kill the whole thing - savings has been a hard sell - I doubt it will get easier n/t |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 09:21 AM Response to Reply #11 |
48. You seem to be giving out incorrect information here, regarding preventive care |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 12:09 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Briefly checking in....High-deductible plans a worry... |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 07:15 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. What can I sell you about Massachusetts and its witchcraft, which is more reliable than your post? |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 11:46 AM Response to Reply #51 |
71. Oh, I guess you missed my statement... |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 11:54 AM Response to Reply #71 |
75. You said: high deductibles deter people from getting needed treatment |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 11:55 AM Response to Reply #75 |
77. And there is no law that says a company has to provide it n/t |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 11:52 AM Response to Reply #51 |
73. And I guess you miss the point that high-deductibles/HSAs is the GOP plan for healthcare! |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 11:56 AM Response to Reply #73 |
78. I do not care what the GOP offers. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 11:58 AM Response to Reply #78 |
81. And what role do high-deductibles policies play in sHillary's plan? |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 11:54 AM Response to Reply #51 |
74. And you miss the point that high-deductibles lead to adverse selection. n/t |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 11:57 AM Response to Reply #74 |
79. I will ignore the rest of your game playing in this thread. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 11:57 AM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Oh, right. n/t |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 11:55 AM Response to Reply #51 |
76. And you miss the point that high-deductibles are NOT a good idea.. n.t |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 11:50 AM Response to Reply #49 |
72. deleted --- posted in wrong spot n/t |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 07:20 AM Response to Original message |
10. I've always said.. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 07:24 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. OK for whom? For whom? |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 07:29 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Is it better than nothing? |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 07:33 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Nope, not if the high deductibles force people to go into debt. |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 07:53 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. You're kidding right? |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 08:07 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. When the person can't afford the $5000 deductable what good is it??? |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 08:11 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. It's $45,000 better. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 08:13 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. If you think a corporatist plan is a good deal, I feel very sorry for you. n/t |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 08:14 AM Response to Reply #19 |
25. How many industrialized nations let their citizens go into ANY debt for medical bills? Good grief! |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 08:11 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. You're kidding, right? So we settle for "better than nothing"? Good grief! |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 08:14 AM Response to Reply #18 |
24. You are assuming the perfect solution can be implemented |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 08:15 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Oh, brother. How sad. How truly sad. n/t |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 08:22 AM Response to Reply #27 |
35. Reality isn't always a happy perfect playground. n/t. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 08:23 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. What nonsense. n/t |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 08:33 AM Response to Reply #27 |
45. What is truly sad is your gloom and doom statements aren't getting you anywhere.. |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 08:21 AM Response to Reply #18 |
34. DK is the only single payer only option voice out there - hard to see kow we politically "do it |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 08:23 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Easy. We insist on doing it right. And vote in candidates who will support it. n/t |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 08:32 AM Response to Reply #37 |
44. :-) - I like the plan - but now we need a list of those in Congress that support single |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 09:40 AM Response to Reply #10 |
56. Is it still possible, under the proposed law, for insurance companies to overrule the physician |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 07:36 AM Response to Original message |
15. More corporate welfare that will hurt everybody except, of course, the corporations |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 08:12 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Unbelievable,greyhoound, isn't it? That people are falling for this? n/t |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 03:06 PM Response to Reply #20 |
50. Sadly, it is quite believable and probably the best argument for The People getting |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 07:27 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Their fear and apathy? Their? |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 09:18 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. So you are saying that the law she will propose mandating that people |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 09:53 AM Response to Reply #54 |
57. There will be no law she will propose mandating that people buy insurance. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 10:23 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. From her own sight: |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 10:43 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Your link is merely the summary, not the actual plan. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 10:54 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. It is a direct quote from her own website, but I'm the one twisting words? |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 11:03 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. No you are grasping. Individuals will be required to do the things I noted in my last post. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 11:27 AM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Do you have any evidence to back up your asinine claims? Since you don't seem to understand |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 11:40 AM Response to Reply #64 |
69. You're the one with the asinine claims. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 12:00 PM Response to Reply #69 |
83. I posted the exact quote from her website, in its entirety, and provided a link to it, |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. You are attempting to twist "will be required to get and keep insurance". |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. I posted the exact quote from her website, in its entirety, and provided a link to it, |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 02:19 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. You said mandated above. Nothing you have quoted since means mandated. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 08:20 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. So you're still at it, OK here you go... |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 11:13 AM Response to Reply #59 |
63. Hillary's plan will NOT help me. |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 11:28 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Hillary does not say you will have to have it. |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 11:29 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Like its my "choice" now , then? |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 11:44 AM Response to Reply #66 |
70. Hopefully you will have choices that will be more affordable then. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 12:00 PM Response to Reply #70 |
82. Yeah, "hopefully you will have choices". Sorry, "hopefully", doesn't cut it n/t |
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avrdream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 03:49 PM Response to Reply #66 |
89. Choosing the public option of the menu WOULD help you. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 09:05 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. You don't know whether the public option would help or not |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 11:32 AM Response to Reply #63 |
68. Yet another example of why this "plan" sucks. n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 07:20 AM Response to Reply #15 |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 09:20 AM Response to Reply #52 |
55. I've changed my mind. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 08:25 AM Response to Original message |
39. I gotta go, folks. I'm not paid to post on DU all day. If you think a corporatist plan is what you |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 08:57 AM Response to Reply #39 |
47. Your attempt at disinformation is falling flat. tinfoil hat rec'd |
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Alamom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
67. k |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
87. That's just rationalizing the irrational |
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Carrieyazel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
88. What does Hillary Clinton have to do with political genius? |
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PATRICK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 08:32 PM Response to Original message |
91. Rationale partly correct |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
94. The USA is the wealthiest country in the WORLD, |
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