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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 10:35 AM
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Biden plan for federal Iraq gains support
Biden plan for federal Iraq gains support
By NICOLE GAUDIANO, News Journal Washington Bureau
Posted Friday, September 21, 2007

Sen. Joe Biden's amendment has 11 co-sponsors, including four Republicans.

WASHINGTON -- A bipartisan resolution based on Sen. Joe Biden's plan for a political settlement in Iraq may come to a vote this week or next as an amendment to the Defense Authorization Bill.

While the Bush administration supports the idea of a strong central government in Iraq, the amendment calls for promoting a federal system with strong regions and a limited central government, based on provisions in Iraq's constitution.

It also states that the U.S. government should bring in the international community to support a settlement based on federalism and to convene a conference with Iraqis to help them reach that settlement.

The amendment, filed on Thursday, has 11 co-sponsors, including four Republicans.

More:
http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070921/NEWS/709210338/1006/NEWS

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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 10:35 AM
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1. p.s. - He's on cspan2 right now talking about it - 11:30am Eastern time. n t.
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 11:11 AM
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2. CSpan carried his presentation this morning on the Senate floor - OUTSTANDING! Watch for repeats
Edited on Fri Sep-21-07 11:12 AM by cyberpj
And see what a presidential speaker looks like. The proposal is excellent and presented with great intelligence.

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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 11:13 AM
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3. Biden Amendment introduced in the Senate, text available
WITH THANKS TO: TayTay Fri Sep-21-07 10:34 AM
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Biden Amendment introduced in the Senate, text available

SA 2997. Mr. BIDEN (for himself, Mr. BROWNBACK, Mrs. BOXER, Mr. SPECTER, Mr. KERRY, Mr. SMITH, Mr. NELSON of Florida, Mrs. HUTCHISON, Mr. SCHUMER, Ms. MIKULSKI, and Mrs. LINCOLN) submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the bill H.R. 1585, to authorize appropriations for fiscal year 2008 for military activities of the Department of Defense, for military construction, and for defense activities of the Department of Energy, to prescribe military personnel strengths for such fiscal year, and for other purposes; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:

At the end of subtitle C of title XV, add the following:

SEC. 1535. SENSE OF CONGRESS ON FEDERALISM IN IRAQ.


(a) Findings.--Congress makes the following findings:

(1) Iraq continues to experience a self-sustaining cycle of sectarian violence.

(2) The ongoing sectarian violence presents a threat to regional and world peace, and the long-term security interests of the United States are best served by an Iraq that is stable, not a haven for terrorists, and not a threat to its neighbors.

(3) Iraqis must reach a comprehensive and sustainable political settlement in order to achieve stability, and the failure of the Iraqis to reach such a settlement is a primary cause of increasing violence in Iraq.

(4) The Key Judgments of the January 2007 National Intelligence Estimate entitled ``Prospects for Iraq's Stability: A Challenging Road Ahead'' state, ``A number of identifiable developments could help to reverse the negative trends driving Iraq's current trajectory. They include: Broader Sunni acceptance of the current political structure and federalism to begin to reduce one of the major sources of Iraq's instability . . . Significant concessions by Shia and Kurds to create space for Sunni acceptance of federalism''.

(5) Article One of the Constitution of Iraq declares Iraq to be a ``single, independent federal state''.

(6) Section Five of the Constitution of Iraq declares that the ``federal system in the Republic of Iraq is made up of a decentralized capital, regions, and governorates, and local administrations'' and enumerates the expansive powers of regions and the limited powers of the central government and establishes the mechanisms for the creation of new federal regions.

(7) The federal system created by the Constitution of Iraq would give Iraqis local control over their police and certain laws, including those related to employment, education, religion, and marriage.

(8) The Constitution of Iraq recognizes the administrative role of the Kurdistan Regional Government in 3 northern Iraqi provinces, known also as the Kurdistan Region.

(9) The Kurdistan region, recognized by the Constitution of Iraq, is largely stable and peaceful.

(10) The Iraqi Parliament approved a federalism law on October 11th, 2006, which establishes procedures for the creation of new federal regions and will go into effect 18 months after approval.

(11) Iraqis recognize Baghdad as the capital of Iraq, and the Constitution of Iraq stipulates that Baghdad may not merge with any federal region.

(12) Despite their differences, Iraq's sectarian and ethnic groups support the unity and territorial integrity of Iraq.

(13) Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki stated on November 27, 2006, ``The crisis is political, and the ones who can stop the cycle of aggravation and bloodletting of innocents are the politicians''.



(b) Sense of Congress.--It is the sense of Congress that--

(1) the United States should actively support a political settlement among Iraq's major factions based upon the provisions of the Constitution of Iraq that create a federal system of government and allow for the creation of federal regions;

(2) the active support referred to in paragraph (1) should include--

(A) calling on the international community, including countries with troops in Iraq, the permanent 5 members of the United Nations Security Council, members of the Gulf Cooperation Council, and Iraq's neighbors--

(i) to support an Iraqi political settlement based on federalism;

(ii) to acknowledge the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Iraq; and

(iii) to fulfill commitments for the urgent delivery of significant assistance and debt relief to Iraq, especially those made by the member states of the Gulf Cooperation Council;

(B) further calling on Iraq's neighbors to pledge not to intervene in or destabilize Iraq and to agree to related verification mechanisms; and

(C) convening a conference for Iraqis to reach an agreement on a comprehensive political settlement based on the creation of federal regions within a united Iraq;

(3) the United States should urge the Government of Iraq to quickly agree upon and implement a law providing for the equitable distribution of oil revenues, which is a critical component of a comprehensive political settlement based upon federalism; and

(4) the steps described in paragraphs (1), (2), and (3) could lead to an Iraq that is stable, not a haven for terrorists, and not a threat to its neighbors.



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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 11:17 AM
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4. Sounds like the real debate is going to take place next week.
All I can say is that it is about time.
Biden has been wanting to have this debate for over a year, but it kept getting shelved.
In the meantime, no one else has come up with a political solution for Iraq.

This morning Biden said that he cannot guarantee it will work, but he is looking forward
to discussion on how we can make it better.
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 11:31 AM
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5. Joe looked positively presidential. I'm a Delawarean who's had my problems with Joe
from time to time but I've never been more proud than while watching him this morning.

What a pleasure to watch someone who actually knows something speak without reading from a script and relay pertinent and valuable information with which anyone possessing some common sense will agree.

If he keeps this up he could actually become a contender!

Way to go Joe!

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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 11:37 AM
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6. Why did they change the topic this morning?
Edited on Fri Sep-21-07 11:38 AM by pirhana
hmmm.

Biden rarely uses notes. Try and catch his campaign events on C-Span.
Very passionate, knowledgeable, and heart-felt.

I have the perfect bumpersticker for you:


;)


edit for typo
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 12:05 PM
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8. Cool one -
Edited on Fri Sep-21-07 12:11 PM by cyberpj
Where'd you get it?
Or did you make it?

As for changing the topic - I think this was a sort of presentation. He said he was open to comments and input and changes. So was it not the usual submit, discuss then vote scenario? I guess not.

:shrug:


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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 12:09 PM
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10. I was over at cafepress earlier this week looking for a bumpersticker
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murbley40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 12:01 PM
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7. Hi fellow Delawarean!
:hi:
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 12:07 PM
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9. Hi back at ya!
:hi:

You have no profile so I can't tell if you're relatively new here or just an infrequent poster - but welcome to the fray anyway!

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murbley40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 01:27 PM
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11. I joined about six months ago.
I post when I have something to say. I live in Sussex county, you?
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 01:50 PM
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13. NCC born and bred.
Lived here my whole life except for short times in Colorado and New Mexico.
3rd gen DuPont Co. Employee.
Lately wishing to migrate to lower/slower to escape too-rapid sprawl and McMansions but I see they're in your neighborhood too now and gaining speed.

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murbley40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 02:27 PM
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14. Oh yes!
Our school district has grown so rapidly that we are now expanding our 5 year old school.
Too much farm land being developed and homes one on top of the other. Ugh! It is still a great place to live though.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 01:30 PM
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12. Turn on C-Span 2 if anyone is there
Richard Holbrooke makes the case for Biden's plan.
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