Harris: Hillary's lead over Obama grows...interesting numbers by age group

[SaveElmer]

Hillary 46
Obama 25
Edwards 14
Gore 9

SOme interesting numbers by age group

Obama slightly ahead of Hillary in the 18-29 group (least likely to vote) 42-37

Hillary bests Obama among Gen-X'ers (30-41) 46-21

Hillary bests Obama among Baby-Boomers (42-60) 45-26

Hillary whollops Obama among 61+ voters (most likely to vote) 56-16...in fact Edwards does better than Obama in this group with 21%

http://harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=808

[Colobo]

1. What happened with the Cook poll? Hillary went down 7 points.

[SaveElmer]

3. More likely the last Cook poll was an outlier...

She has returned to the numbers she has had throughout the year there...

[Colobo]

5. Rasmussen has it 38% to 22%

Cook has her at 30-something as well...

36% to 23%. Consistent numbers, Elmer.

[SaveElmer]

7. Rass is a daily tracking poll...

eom

[Colobo]

10. Yeah, but the number from the Cook poll are from this last few days

And they match with what Rass has seen in the last few days. I think the Harris's poll might be the one that is off.

[SaveElmer]

12. Cook is not a daily tracking poll...

And if you look at Cook's trends, other than the last one, the race is static...

You can't really extrapolate anything concrete from a daily poll...need to average several days worth to get a more valid picture...

[Colobo]

13. Let's wait then.

[SaveElmer]

15. I might also add...

National polls for the last 3 days

9/20: Pew poll: Clinton 42%, Obama 25%

9/19: Reuters/Zobgy: Clinton 35%, Obama 21%

9/19: Gallup: Clinton 47%, Obama 25%, Edwards 11%

9/18:CBS: Clinton 43%, Obama 22%

Cook is the closest of the lot

[David Dunham]

2. Time to hang it up Obama fans

[sandnsea]

4. same people who chose Bush

Haven't learned a thing.

:crazy:

[SaveElmer]

9. Gee I'm pretty sure Bush didn't a bunch of Democratic votes...

If you have stats to show otherwise please link to them!!!

[sandnsea]

14. same age groups

chose Bush over Kerry. Chose Reagan twice. Bunch of dingbats as far as I'm concerned.

[SaveElmer]

16. About the most ridiculous thing I've seen you post...

And that is saying something...

My guess is that everyone of these age groups within the party went for Kerry last time...

So you are badmouthing Democrats because their counterparts in the Republican party didn't vote Democratic...brilliant!

:rofl:

[sandnsea]

22. I'm bashing people who have forgotten others

no matter what party they're from.

[dugggy]

6. Obama never had a chance against HRC

To be fair if Hillary was not married to a popular
ex-president, she would not be leading in the polls.
But with the experience of the Clinton machine, Obama
has a serious handicap...also....1) Only limited senate
experience 2) No black has been elected to Prez or VP
3) He has a muslim father.

[emilyg]

8. Interesting.

[LittleClarkie]

11. How much was Dean beating everyone the last time around

and how far back was Kerry?

[SaveElmer]

17. I believe,.

Dean never topped 40% in a national poll...his support was wide but not deep. Hillary's organization is superior, her depth of support is greater, and the commitment of those supporting her is greater...

[Ethelk2044]

18. Her numbers have gone down in several polls. In mid 30's

[SaveElmer]

19. ...

National polls for the last 3 days

9/20: Harris: Hillary 47%, Obama 25%

9/20: Pew poll: Clinton 42%, Obama 25%

9/20: Cook: Hillary 34%, Obama 21%

9/19: Reuters/Zobgy: Clinton 35%, Obama 21%

9/19: Gallup: Clinton 47%, Obama 25%, Edwards 11%

9/18:CBS: Clinton 43%, Obama 22%

Cook is the closest of the lot

Average 18%...

[Ethelk2044]

20. She is moving down instead of up. She peaked too soon.

http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/28284/democrats_20...

In the latest Democratic race poll, Clinton leads Sen. Barack Obama by 13 points, 36 to 23

[Colobo]

21. Bad link?

[durrrty libby]

23. She has not disappointed me yet and her #'s are great

[TomClash]

24. Someday there will actually be voting nt

[superkia]

25. Most people forget her speech in 2002 that shows you who she is.

The one before she helped hand Bush a loaded gun and ammo every time he asked. My favorite part is where she used the "experience" shit back in 2002 like she is now because some people fall for it.


"And perhaps my decision is influenced by my eight years of experience on the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue in the White House watching my husband deal with serious challenges to our nation."

HERE SHE SOUNDS LIKE BUSH CHENEY LIGHT:

In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001.

It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security.



If we do follow the medias lead and elect her, I don't think our country will be able to bounce back from its current political trends.

Heres a link if anyone wants to read it. It is down right scary how much she sounds like the other side.

http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=233783

[SaveElmer]

26. Why not be honest and quote the portions of her speech that

Make the implication of your selective quotes a lie...

Why not post portions of speeches from IWR opponents that make the same point Hillary did on WMD's?

Because it would blow your premise out of the water is why?

[superkia]

31. Are you saying she did not spew that out of her mouth?

Her experience really showed in 2002 when it really mattered, before thousands of lives were lost and continue to be lost. If she were as tough at standing up to the republicans, why didn't she stand up like Dennis Kucinich and say the war was about oil? Instead of sounding like Bush light and voting for it? You cant hide who she is, the media tries, her supporters try but she is who she is. How did you like her fund raiser with the terrorism industry? Didn't Colin Powell just warn of the emerging terrorism industrial complex, where its an industry that can only exist if you keep people in fear..or allow things to happen.

Didn't she say she would like to see a time in the future where you would have to show proof of insurance for work? Thats great! Under her plan if your broke and poor, you get a credit at the end of the year. Hello, most of the people that cant afford, will have no insurance and no job with her outlook.

I am obviously not a Clinton supporter so to your post, no I wont let a politician spew shit out their mouth on one side but forgive them because they then speak out the other side of it to make the shit smell like flowers. Nice try. That is who she is and for some reason people like that quality or just wont acknowledge it. Very dangerous practice when our country is in a bad time.

[SaveElmer]

36. It shows you taking her speech out of context...

And not posting the portions, when taken in context make the point of your post a lie...

Why not post the speeches of IWR opponents who mad ethe exact same point about WMD's as Hillary...

Also shows you obviously haven't read Hillary's health care plan in detail...nor Edwards which has the same requirement...but why let all that get in the way of a good rant!!!

[superkia]

41. I read it again and my position is still the same.

After September 11th which had nothing to do with Iraq, she decided to give power to Bush to go to wage war on Iraq and continued to fund this war. Yes she tried to stand in the middle of the situation because she is a weak minded politician that refused to take a stand on either side. She voted yes but gave a speech out of her mouth and ass. One side sounds like she doesn't want to do it and it could be bad and the other sounds exactly like Bush and Cheney. She decided on the side where she sounded like Bush and Cheney.
We need honest straightforward politicians unlike Clinton. I'm not sure what you are reading in it but if you could clarify it for me so that I am not a liar? I read it and have an opinion completely different from you, so some how you classify me as a liar. Very good representation of a democrat, you really help our cause, acting like a republican. Someone sees something different than you do and they have to be wrong.

If the media was shoving Edwards down my throat I would point out his speech also. I myself, appreciate Dennis kucinich standing up and being a real voice of reason in 2002. I don't defend any of the candidates that help start this atrocious war.

I have not read the whole insurance plan, I have read pieces from DU and seen some on the MSM, so if Im wrong you could also help out there too. It would help your cause if you informed people about your candidate instead of attacking them but then she has already won, you can be as rude as you want to fellow democrats.

[Bitwit1234]

27. The reason Hillary is leading in the older voters

they are more serious. They have seen what this country does when they get a rock star. They see how they go nuts during the American Idol finals. They don't want a rock star people. They want someone to run this country. Some one who can get us back on track.

[Ethelk2044]

28. They are not polling the younger crowd. However, wait until election day to see who is really

leading.

[SaveElmer]

29. Except they did...

Or can you not read?

[Clintonista2]

33. Read the OP, they DID poll the younger crowd (18-29)

[madrchsod]

30. what?

"They have seen what this country does when they get a rock star."?....i`m old and have no idea what you are talking about...

[madrchsod]

32. that`s it! hillary has won again

let`s just call off the primary and save everyone a boat load of money and years worth of time going over who is the best for the country...it`s clear hillary is going to win so why bother to resist,why bother to care about if she is right or wrong, it does`t matter anymore does it...

[fedupfisherman]

34. So Hillary does well with the old folks

but not the younger folks.

Interesting.

[Clintonista2]

35. Obama only beats her by 5% among younger voters

She beats Obama by double digits in every other group

[superkia]

37. I dont know anyone that is voting for Clinton or that has been polled.

Lets wait and see what happens when everyone votes instead of writing off the rest of Americans that don't get a chance to be a part of a poll. I think all of the citizens should get the respect to count in the election process instead of trying to make them feel like they don't count because of polls.

[Clintonista2]

38. Wow, that's some mighty fine logic

"It can't be true! I don't know anyone that has been polled in it!"

Reminds me of the freeper argument "Global warming must not exist, because it felt cold outside yesterday!

[superkia]

39. I believe every citizen should count not just the ones who...

support your candidate. Why do you give such an ignorant comment, your reply just makes you look very immature. I truly believe all citizens should be counted in the election process. Do you think it makes your candidate look better that her supporters ignore peoples comments and try to knock them down? I am sorry you feel this way but if you have nothing relevant to reply back, please don't use DU for your personal attacks. At least have respect for the board and try to be civil.

Enjoy the rest of your evening. :hi: Strength through peace!

[Clintonista2]

40. Methinks you don't have a problem with polls, only polls showing your candidate *not* in the lead

So YEA, war is peace & and all that jazz. :eyes: