Malloy and listeners are bashing Kerry mercilessly

[Doctor_J]

Guess there isn't enough Bush disaster to discuss today. He is attracting some bizarre callers though. The last guy just started off with, "If you like liberal columnists like Maureen Dowd..."

http://novamradio.com/

[rodeodance]

1. I expected more from Mike-----and Randi Rhodes for that matter.

[DURHAM D]

3. I listened to Randi today until I had to turn her off - first time ever.

I had the impression she had not reviewed all of the tapes.

[Peregrine Took]

9. Thank God for Mike - once more he's 100% right on target. Kerry sucks so

bad. To think I once worked for his election....my bad!

[IndianaGreen]

2. You are aware that Kerry said that there was no evidence of electoral fraud in Ohio, aren't you?

Forget the taser incident, consider Kerry's lame excuse for not challenging the Ohio results, and what that does to raise once again the old charge that Kerry won't butt heads with a fellow Bonesman.

[lateo]

4. Nevermind that IndianaGreen!

We have to protect our shallow image of Kerry at all costs! While the Kerry camp runs to his defense they are tripping over the fact that there was real vote fraud in Ohio.

[blm]

5. What he said is that they didn't have SUFFICIENT evidence to make a case.

And maybe the Dem party's legal team of election experts should be overhauled.

And maybe McAuliffe and Carville shouldn't be around making SURE a Dem doesn't have the evidence or the ballots.

[IndianaGreen]

29. Had Kerry challenged the Ohio voting, he would have won, and blocked Hillary from the Presidency

The more reason why there were so many establishment Democrats counseling cave in on Ohio, just as they did in Florida in 2000.

[blm]

33. He didn't have the evidence or the math, IG.

And after decades of his efforts you KNOW he wouldn't give in if he had enough evidence to change the outcome.

[IndianaGreen]

40. Didn't his people join the lawsuit filed by the Ohio Greens against the Secretary of State?

I clearly remember that happening when the local Ohio press reported massive voting irregularities, such as more people voting in one county than there were registered voters.

[blm]

41. he was involved in 3 lawsuits there - but they were on matters of process, not numbers.

that would have altered the outcome.

[rockymountaindem]

47. Had Kerry challenged the Ohio voting...

he would have been roundly trashed in the media, vocally criticized by his fellow Democrats, and only given George Bush more vaunted political capital after the 100% Republican dominated administration in Ohio quashed any attempt he made to challenge the State's reported results.

Gore had less deficit to make up in a more friendly political environment and still didn't get to the White House. Why would Kerry have succeeded where Gore failed, with the odds even more stacked against him?

[IndianaGreen]

48. Aren't you tired of the Democrats being always afraid of offending the Republicans?

Do you think for one moment that if the roles were reversed, the GOP would be as cowardly as the Democrats? Not a chance! Haven't you heard that the Republicans were planning to challenge the constitutionality of the Electoral College had Gore won the electoral votes but lost the popular vote to Bush?

The Democrats show more spine in giving the shaft to their own base than they are in confronting that criminal organization known as the GOP.

The GOP DEFUNDED Somalia when Clinton was President!!!!!!!! Why can't the Democrats defund Iraq?

[rockymountaindem]

52. So-called "fear" is the symptom and not the disease.

Democrats are starting from ten points behind in every race because the consistent pounding of the RW line in this country for the past umpteen years has been all too effective. The default position in this country is still the Republican one, and unless and until that changes, we have more challenges to overcome than the Republicans do and that's just the way it is. One way that expresses itself is in caution/fear among Democrats.

[Doctor_J]

10. Look at it this way. If, on the same day, a Dem president's war had taken

a major turn for the worse, and some thugs had beaten a protestor at a speech by a GOP senator, which event would cabal "news" and hate radio be talking about?

So the question still stands - shouldn't EVERYONE who wants the Group Of Perverts out of office be concentrating on that?

[MH1]

12. Certainly not. It is ALWAYS more important to bash Democrats.

Even if you are allegedly a Democrat and posting on a forum called Democratic Underground.

:banghead:

[MH1]

11. LINK, please?

I do not believe Kerry ever said that there was "no evidence of electoral fraud in Ohio."

And, pray tell, what the HELL does that have to do with Kerry being blamed for the incident in Florida? He VERY CLEARLY says he wants to answer the question, and by all accounts he does answer it after the guy is taken out.

[IndianaGreen]

25. According to a thread posted in this forum, that was Kerry's answer to the question in Florida

Here is the link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3528374&mesg_id=3528374

[MH1]

27. Okay, so you misquoted.

According to what that link reports:

Kerry went on to explain that he did not think there was sufficient evidence of voter suppression to justify contesting the 2004 election.

"We just couldn't do it in good conscience because we didn't have that evidence," he said.

"not sufficient evidence" is not the same as "no evidence"

[IndianaGreen]

31. Kerry must be suffering from a "senior moment" or he is drinking that Kool Aid again

There are tons of evidence that Ohio was stolen, and for Kerry to say that bullshit he said shows him as either incredibly naive, or as someone that thinks we are stupid!

[zulchzulu]

45. I'm assuming you're familiar with Woodward's assessment of Carville in State Of Denial...

Do you know what I'm talking about...

[IndianaGreen]

50. I am aware of how Carville used his wife to alert Dick Cheney about a Kerry Ohio challenge

He is scum!

[karynnj]

56. That is not true

Kerry spoke in May 2006 at the graduation at Kenyon College and at several Ohio 2006 political events. What he did in some forums was to ennumerate many of the ways they lost votes due to suppression - but many were not illegal.

To suggest it was S&B is beyond stupid. You would have to believe:
- that he was willing to work himself to the bone for 2 years - knowing there was no chance of winning at the end.

- if there were a deal and Kerry was doing this for Bush, wouldn't he have negotiated that he and Teresa would not be smeared. If you've seen the affection he has for the Vietnam scarred vets who were his crew - do you think he would not have called his S&B brother to stop the attacks that reallly hurt them.

- wouldn't he have thrown the debates (or at leastnot been awesome) - it sure easier than doing so incredibly it made what didn't look close become a Kerry lead before the OBL tape came out.

- Also there are times Kerry speakis of regretting the loss - always in the context of having far less power. Listen to this - it shows too things why he regrets the loss and how he would have acted as a world leader - just getting a Democrat will not make up for this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXd66eae9K8 (I think you will get a nice view in this short U tube)

Use some common sense. Senator Kerry has a public record that stretches back to 1971. If you listen to him, Vietnam, not his Yale years motivates him.

[napi21]

6. Yep, and IF Kerry had jumped off the sage and screamaed

"EVERYBODY STOP" as Mike just said he should have done, everybody would have been calling him a bully and condoning violence!

I think this will all settle down in a few days, and the cops will be found to have used very bad judgement.

[blm]

7. Malloy should get his facts STRAIGHT FIRST - from people who were THERE.

On FACEBOOK:

Ted Donaldson (Rollins) wrote
5 hours ago
"If you want to hear it from someone that was there:

The disturbance did not begin with Andrew asking the question. He caused quite a scene by bursting into the room in the middle of Q+A, rudely interrupting Kerry answering another question (what was supposed to be the last one), and demanding to be heard. The cops followed him in (I have the feeling he had been giving them a hard time outside as well)

John Kerry responded by asking him to calm down and wait his turn, that his question would be answered next.

As some of the videos show, his question was long and rambling without much focus, less of a question if you will than an outburst. John Kerry remained calm, tried to guide him to the direct question he would like answered, but Andrew continued. After Accent cut his mike off, the cops tried to guide him out and as you can all see the real event began.

I was sitting in the back row of the auditorium- less than 5 feet from where he was restrained and ended up being tasered. (you can see my green shirt next to my friend in the striped shirt on most of the videos) He WAS NOT handcuffed yet when they did it. He was still attempting to get up and resist the police officers and would not put his hands behind his back.

Within close range, I have to say that I didn't feel it was the safest situation. I did not feel like they had him under control at all- and was scared that if he did manage to get up- he would have started getting riled up again. I personally was in a location that if he had started flailing around again- I would have been at risk.

Now- my opinion- I think Andrew had intentions to be disruptive and was not going to leave peacefully. I am by no means a proponent of violence, but the way the UPD handled this situation was completely appropriate."

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Post #2Erin Decker (UF) wrote
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Thank you for posting that. I was also at the forum and completely agree with that account of the incident. I also felt unsafe because Mr. Meyer was being excessively aggressive and violent. I am thankful that UPD was finally able to control the situation and think they acted properly.Reply to Erin
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Post #3Chris Agard (FIU) replied to Ted's post
3 hours ago
I'd like to also thank you. I wasn't as close to him, but agree that his actions were meant to disrupt, and make a scene. He deserved what he got and UPD did what they had to, and had they not handled it as professionally as they did, they wouldn't be doing ther jobs. Being that it was Sen. Kerry the police also had to act accordingly.



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[Peregrine Took]

13. Jeez - this many years ago you're still defending the "electable" one - how

pathetic. Is that you, JFK?????

[blm]

22. I never used that word - and Kerry DID win - DNC let the RNC steal it - again.

And how pathetic that some of you have STILL never spent the time to peruse the National Security Archives. If you had you might stop badgering the one guy in DC with the best record of uncovering and exposing government corruption and protecting the right of the citizenry to open government from all those who seek to close government to protect the secrecy and privilege of the powerful.

But that requires too much effort from those who would rather be manipulated by spin.

[MonkeyFunk]

49. How absurd

posting a true account to combat the lies being told makes him pathetic?

Someone's pathetic here, but it ain't him.

[Connie_Corleone]

14. This should be posted in its own thread for more exposure.

It's good to hear from people who were actually there.

[ShortnFiery]

28. Well Ted, I'll give you a little perspective.

FEAR is when you are huddled in your USA-UK American Compound during an uprising (1964) where four miles away people are being killed and decapitated ... placing their heads on stakes.

FEAR is living under Martial Law for six weeks until your family is able to be spirited out in the dead of night. (Singapore, 1964)

Some overly-compassionate, even nutty activist was not threatening you in any way. He was threatening "the establishment." This activist was boisterous but that's FREE SPEECH with all it's ugly raw presentation. That is nothing to FEAR. :(

However, with six Campus Cops on duty, they should have had him dropped and cuffed in less than thirty seconds. Those boys and girls do not work as a team and beyond all else, using a taser to glean compliance is reflective of sloppy work.

I didn't like the guy's arrogance, but I served in the Army to protect his right to be "an activist."

Therefore, I'll be damned if I would condone LAZY cops who cannot work as a team resorting to brutality of a Taser. Methinks they need more training in "hand to hand" TAKE DOWNS. They must have been sleeping through those classes. :shrug:

[blm]

38. I agree the taser shouldn't have been used. But there is the other matter that police

on campuses have been heavily criticized because they DIDN'T react more strongly to a perceived threat.

Like I said - Virginia Tech isn't far from the minds of most college students and the police who work on those campuses. In fact, after Virginia Tech, a student who INTENDS to be disruptive should make it clear he is not a threat and do so with some measure of regard for the other students. Responsibility should be expected from a 21 yr old man.

[zulchzulu]

35. n/t

[ShortnFiery]

37. Yes, and we all know, "assholes, punks and jerks" give up their civil rights, just because.

Perhaps we should all be evaluated by authorities within The Ministry of Homeland Security and given "a civil rights number" that reflects how much rights "our character" warrants us?

But don't forget - THAT NUMBER is assigned by "the deciders" who are GIVEN that authority. :scared:

[MonkeyFunk]

8. Malloy

has been a real idiot lately.

[Peregrine Took]

15. Malloy is a genius. Kerry is a zero. Face the facts. n/t

[MonkeyFunk]

18. Tonight he's falsely accusing Kerry

and last night he spread a complete lie about the flight of nuclear weapons across the US.

He needs to filter the information he uses better. Believing every stupid thing one reads on the internet is just irresponsible for someone in his position.

[Rick Myers]

16. Mike is as left as you can get...

I love him, I consider him a friend. But he has chosen to stand out on the far left, and I must give him credit for his beliefs.

I'm just as enraged, but would I go on the air and express it with such vitriol? No.

But that is what makes up the spectrum of progressive talk, from Ed on one side to Mike on the other, all others somewhere inbetween.


Just my 2 cents, adjusted for the Canadian dollar!!!

[MonkeyFunk]

19. being left doesn't mean he's right

When he spreads lies and disinformation, he's being an idiot.

[Rick Myers]

21. Agreed.

There are times I worry about Mike.

I do NOT agree with him all the time. In fact, I don't even listen that often.

But I love the fact that Mike is on our side.

He's literally the Anti-Limbaugh!!! For whatever that might mean...

[ShortnFiery]

34. Yes, when our elderly senile relatives wander out of their nursing homes ...

and become confused and resistant to "the authorities" then you've just GIVEN THEM PERMISSION to "whip out the taser" as a first resort.

"Good people get the taser too!" Who decides if the subject is compliant enough? What if they make a rude comment? Can they Zap him again for being an asshole?

Civil Rights extends to *all* Americans - jerks included. :shrug:

[MonkeyFunk]

51. Don't be ridiculous

oh wait... look who I'm talking to. Carry on.

[2rth2pwr]

57. She might get tasered carrying

on that way.

[blm]

24. Then send him the firstperson account I posted above.

.

[Peregrine Took]

17. How many staffers does a U. S. Senator have?????? Kee-rist!!! What a bunch of

Kerrybots are showing up today!

[Inuca]

20. You sir (I presume)

do not deserve the hobbit name you assumed.

[mitchtv]

23. your opinion

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[zulchzulu]

36. So are Senator staffers supposed to rumble with The Fuzz?

:rofl:

Pass the bong...oh wait...you're smoking some snanky sheet to come up with that.

[Doctor_J]

59. No, he meant that I must be a Kerry staffer to post this thread

:eyes:

[MzNov]

26. malloy is not bashing Kerry. He's bashing nazi-like behavior

in this country!!!

Your post is ludicrous.

[zulchzulu]

32. What a bunch of knuckleheaded scum-sucking swine

I can't even listen to it.

Malloy should be ashamed of himself for being such an ass. I like him usually, have met him and shaken his hand...but this claptrap is worse than the tesored punk who doesn't even know how to pronounce Grap Palast's name...

[MalloyLiberal]

39. Yeah too bad he doens't support your god Obama

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[zulchzulu]

46. Good...

I'll alert on your little thought.

[zulchzulu]

42. You'd think Kerry could reverse the 2004 election AND save Tesor Boy from his punishment

After all, Kerry should have gone to DC and reversed the workings of hundreds of GOP vote-cheaters with one bare hand! Tesor Boy! Kerry should have rescued you from the authorities!

[rwheeler31]

53. Wht?

[rufus dog]

54. Malloy and Rhodes can go over the edge

I have had to turn both of them off on numerous times. Rhodes is on AAR when I am driving and it is becoming much more comman to have to switch. I think Hannity is a fucking idiot for talking over callers and I sure as hell expect more from her. She is sometimes so obsessed with her own opinion and ego that she misses the point. Malloy comes across too strong too, stick to the factual data, and the dems win the WH and pick up about 8 Senate seats in 2008. Don't become arrogant assholes and the dems pick up another 5 seats in 2010.

[MODemocrat]

55. Mike has changed so much, we quit listening to him

I was an avid fan of Mike's even when he was in Chicago; there are so many more important issues than bashing John Kerry for not protecting a beligerent young man. What should Kerry have done; grabbed the police officers and take the taser gun away from them? It's easy to play the old Monday quarterbacking scenerio. This crap turns my stomach!!

We have people dying in Iraq by the hundreds every day; that is what we need to be concerned about.

:puke:

Edited to correct some typing characters that appeared in my message

[Doctor_J]

58. It's not only that, but What I got on Malloy's show last night I could've gotten by

listening to one of the 20 or so hate radio stations I can tune in at night. What's the point?