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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:14 PM
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Democratic Presidential Candidate Health Care Plans In A Nutshell
The New York Times has a great page on health care policies for all the Presidential candidates. I've parsed the Democratic candidates for DU:


Joseph R. Biden Jr.

http://www.joebiden.com/home

IMMEDIATELY INSURE EVERYONE UNDER 18
I would move immediately to insure all children under age 18, modernize medical records and provide catastrophic health insurance to lift the burden on the 46 million people who can't afford coverage.
-- Las Vegas Sun, March 23, 2007

WORK WITH STATES TO MOVE TOWARDS UNIVERSAL COVERAGE
I think the thing that will get us to total health coverage - health insurance for everybody the quickest - is to do what we did on welfare reform. What we did was we allowed the states considerable flexibility and leeway in reorganizing the system and we underwrote the cost of the poor states in doing it to get work programs going. Do the same exact thing with health care. You have a dozen states, including big ones, that are now passing legislation requiring universal insurance, just like liability insurance. Once you get to a critical mass of 30 to 35 states, you've established a national consensus. Cherry-pick those elements of the plans. Maybe even give them localized flavor rather than one simple standard that exists that require that there be total complete coverage across the board.
-- In New Hampshire, April 14, 2007

END WAR IN IRAQ; ROLL BACK PRESIDENT BUSH'S TAX CUTS FOR THE HIGHEST EARNERS
The first two things we could do and we could do it without having to fundamentally change anything other than the president's unneeded tax cut for people making an average of $1.43 million dollars a year in the top one percent.
-- In Nevada, April 2007
Eliminate the break for investment on dividends, which is $195 billion. For $26 billion a year, I can insure every single solitary child under the age of 18 in the United States. You need start-up dollars. The place I'd start off with is somewhere over $220 billion a year by the tax cuts and ending the war.
-- On NBC's "Meet the Press," April 2007

Hillary Rodham Clinton

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/

REQUIRE EVERYONE TO GET INSURANCE, SUBSIDIZED BY EMPLOYERS AND THE GOVERNMENT
I call my plan, the American Health Choices plan. ... If you have private insurance you like, nothing changes ... you can keep that insurance. ... If, however, you don't have health insurance or you don't like the insurance you have, you can choose from the same wide variety of private plans that members of Congress choose from. ... You will have access to a public plan that will provide a stable, competitive alternative to private insurance if that is your choice.

While I will be requiring all Americans to have health care, I will be calling on employers to do their part as well. ... Under my plan, large companies will be required to help pay for their employees' health care. Those that do so can simply maintain their current policy that they choose. Those that don't, will need to contribute towards the cost of covering their employees on a sliding scale based on their size and average wages. ... We won't require small businesses to cover employees. Instead we will provide tax credits to ensure that many of them do. ... The government will provide tax-credits to insure that every single American can afford health insurance.
-- In Des Moines, Sept. 17, 2007

• More Details (HillaryClinton.com)

ROLL BACK PRESIDENT BUSH'S TAX CUTS FOR PEOPLE EARNING OVER $250,000 AND BY SAVINGS IN THE EXISTING HEALTH CARE SYSTEM
I won't pay for it by pouring money into a broken system. I won't pay for it by raising taxes on middle class families who are already struggling with rising costs and stagnant wages. Instead, I'll pay for part of it by implementing the cost saving measures I outlined in May. And I will pay for some of it by rolling back part of President Bush's fiscally irresponsible tax breaks for the highest income Americans. And I'll pay for some of it by limiting the tax breaks for people making over $250,000 a year to the same level that ordinary, middle class Americans get.
-- In Des Moines, Sept. 17, 2007

HAS OUTLINED A SEVEN-POINT PLAN TO CONTROL COST
- Ensure better preventative care
- Modernize record-keeping
- Streamline care for the chronically ill
- Create large insurance pools
- Start a "Best Practices Institute" to finance research
- Control prescription drug costs
- Revise medical malpractice system
-- At George Washington University, May 24, 2007

Chris Dodd

http://www.chrisdodd.com/home

HAS PLEDGED UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE, SUBSIDIZED BY EMPLOYERS AND THE GOVERNMENT
Everyone participates, everyone benefits. All the stakeholders -- individuals, employers, the government -- are involved in coming up with a system here that would make it possible to reduce those numbers of 47 million of our fellow citizens who have no health care to make sure they'll be included.
- Second is prevention alone. Minimum we try to do is see to it to reduce the cost by stopping people from getting ill in the first place.
- Thirdly is building upon the good things we've done already: Forty years of Medicaid and Medicare. I would extend Medicaid to poorer families, 100 percent of poverty; the ones with children, 300 percent of poverty.
- Last is the fourth principle, dealing with technology. Some $80 or $90 billion could be saved, not to mention the morbidity rates by doing a far better job and utilizing the technology that exists today.
-- Presidential Forum on Health Care, March 27, 2007

END WAR IN IRAQ; ROLL BACK PRESIDENT BUSH'S TAX CUTS FOR THE HIGHEST EARNERS
If you get rid of these permanent tax cuts to the top one percent of income earners, get the war ended in Iraq that we're spending $2 million a week, $8 million a month, we can provide the resources to really move in this direction. So I would make it a top priority in my administration. I wouldn't want to put a time frame on it because I think it's too important, but for us to get there as soon as possible.
-- Presidential Forum on Health Care, March 27, 2007

John Edwards

http://johnedwards.com/

REQUIRE EVERYONE TO GET INSURANCE, SUBSIDIZED BY EMPLOYERS AND THE GOVERNMENT
What we're going to do is cover every single American, including the 47 million who don't have coverage. We're going to bring down costs for everybody. And for most Americans, we're going to help them pay the cost. It's based on a concept of shared responsibility. In the case of employers, we're going to ask them to do more to either insure all their employees or to contribute to their being insured. The government will help subsidize the health care and create health care markets so we have more competition and deal with issues like preventative care, mental health care, to make sure those kind of things -- chronic care -- are, in fact, being done. And then, finally, for individuals, we're going to make sure they have insurance. They have to have insurance so that everybody has health insurance.
-- On NBC's "Meet the Press," Feb. 4, 2007

• More Details (JohnEdwards.com)

ROLL BACK PRESIDENT BUSH'S TAX CUTS FOR THE HIGHEST EARNERS
The tax cuts that George Bush gave to people who make over $200,000 a year will have to go away to pay for my health care plan. My universal health care plan costs 90- to $120 billion a year. I do not believe, having spent a lot of time on this, that you can achieve universal health care without--without finding a revenue source, and that's my revenue source.
-- Face the Nation, Feb.25, 2007

Mike Gravel

http://www.gravel2008.us/

ISSUE VOUCHERS TO EVERYONE BASED ON THEIR PROJECTED NEEDS
Under the plan we would issue vouchers to every single American. And the vouchers, you don't pay for them, they're issued to you. You sign up every year for them. And the vouchers will have a very modest co-pay, a very modest deductible, but that's it. Everybody gets the same product universally in the United States of America. And then if you want more than the product you got, you pay for it.
The vouchers are set up for risk on an individual basis, not on a collective this fits all, because if you're young, you probably don't have a cost of more than $3,000. When you're my age, it could be $150,000-$180,000 in one year. One of the facets of the plan would be to keep in place Medicare and Medicaid and phase them out over time. Because plans to put everybody on Medicare aren't going to fly financially and just can't be met.
-- Presidential Forum on Health Care, March 24, 2007

FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITH TAXPAYER'S MONEY; CONTROL COST BY MODERNIZING RECORDS
All Americans pay for it regardless of the system you have now but the system you're going to get, single-payer Health Care Voucher plan. There's no magic in this whole process. Somebody is going to pay. You know who pays, it's the average American, one way or the other, particularly under our present system. And so to want to trash the business community and trash our tax system, which is already corrupt, with greater corruption as a way to solve the problem is a nonstarter. The way the plan is designed, it won't raise costs, because the 30 percent that they're talking about is paper cost. If you took that and put it into some real costs in health care, we'd cover everybody without raising any costs.
-- Presidential Forum on Health Care, March 24, 2007

Dennis Kucinich

http://kucinich.us/

ESTABLISH MEDICARE FOR ALL
A not-for-profit health care system is not only possible, but H.R. 676, a bill that I introduced, and a number of Congressmen, the Conyers-Kucinich bill, actually establishes Medicare for all, a single-payer system and it's a not-for-profit system. It's time we ended this thought that health care is a privilege. It is a basic right, and it's time to end this control that insurance companies have not only over health care but over our political system. I'm talking about a real deal for the American people, a universal single-payer not-for-profit Medicare for all.
-- Presidential Forum on Health Care, March 24, 2007

REMOVE COSTS RELATED TO PRIVATE INSURERS
At least 30% of the $3.2 trillion spent annually for health care in the United States goes to the for-profit system, while 50 million Americans, many of them working, are without health insurance. About $660 billion goes for corporate profits, executive salaries, stock options, advertising, marketing, and the cost of paperwork. If we took all that money and we put it into a public health system, a national health care plan, we would have enough money to cover everything for everyone.
-- House floor, July 12, 2006

IMPLEMENT TAXES FOR THE HIGHEST EARNERS AND A PAYROLL TAX
(B) Increasing personal income taxes on the top 5 percent income earners.
(C) Instituting a modest and progressive excise tax on payroll and self-employment income.
(D) Instituting a small tax on stock and bond transactions.
-- H.R. 676

Barack Obama

http://www.barackobama.com/

REQUIRE CHILDREN TO GET INSURANCE;
AIMS FOR UNIVERSAL COVERAGE
The main disagreement with John and I is John believes that we have to have mandatory insurance for everyone in order to have universal health care. My belief is that most families want health care but they can't afford it. And so my emphasis is on driving down the costs, taking on the insurance companies, making sure that they are limited in the ability to extract profits and deny coverage -- that we make sure the drug companies have to do what's right by their patients instead of simply hoarding their profits. If we do those things then I believe that we can drive down the costs for families. In fact, we've got very conservative, credible estimates that say we can save families that do have health insurance about a thousand dollars a year, and we can also make sure that we provide coverage for everybody else. And we do provide mandatory health care for children.
-- CNN debate for Democratic candidates, June 3, 2007

• More Details (barackobama.com)

ROLL BACK PRESIDENT BUSH'S TAX CUTS FOR PEOPLE EARNING OVER $250,000
To help pay for all this, we will ask all but the smallest businesses who don't make a meaningful contribution today to the health care coverage of their employees to do so by supporting this new plan. And we'll also allow the temporary Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans to expire.
-- University of Iowa, May 29, 2007

Bill Richardson

http://richardsonforpresident.com/

REQUIRE EVERYONE TO GET INSURANCE, SUBSIDIZED BY EMPLOYERS AND THE GOVERNMENT
No. 1, my plan is mandatory. You do have everybody sharing -- the employer, the employee, you have the state and the federal government. Secondly, I believe that we can have a plan where if you were satisfied with your health care plan, you can keep it. No new bureaucracy. But in addition to that, you focus on prevention. You allow everybody to get the Congressional plan that every member here has.You bring Medicare 55 and over.
-- CNN debate for Democratic candidates, June 3, 2007

Our main responsibility should be to insure all children under five. We've done that in New Mexico and we should do that nationally. Secondly, we should insure all working adults, all working families. The third phase would be the chronically unemployed. The way you do that is by improving efficiencies and costs. The way you do that is not have Medicare and Medicaid covering seniors and disabled, it should be one. We should expand the S-Chip to cover children.
-- A.F.S.C.M.E. forum, Feb. 21, 2007

FORM PARTNERSHIP WITH HEALTH CARE COMMUNITY
I would not increase taxes. I believe that, if anything, Democrats have been viewed - our solution is always to increase taxes, and we shouldn't. I don't think the solution of the Democratic Party should always be to either spend more or tax more. I believe if we have partnerships between hospitals, between communities, between the state, the federal government, and you give flexibility to the states, we can have universal health care.
-- A.F.S.C.M.E. forum, Feb. 21, 2007


More here:
http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/issues/healthcare/index.html

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abburdlen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:23 PM
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1. Can we all agree
no matter whom we support or which plan could pass, that Kucinich's plan is what we'd all like.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:32 PM
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4. I hope so.
Edited on Tue Sep-18-07 12:32 PM by redqueen
If not... *sigh*
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Flarney Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:38 PM
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6. Absolutely. n/t
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:38 PM
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7. As much as I like Kucinich's plan...
...I don't see a realistic chance of getting Single Payer Healthcare passed initially. It's going to take a lot of effort to rid the health care industry of pharma and insurance profiteering.

It's easy to say we can do it tomorrow, just like it's easy to say we can stop war tomorrow.

Welcome to the Battlefield.

I'm for getting the same affordable coverage that the federal workers get, which kicks ass and is incredibly affordable. Add that health care should be treated like public education for children from embryo to 18 and be free. There should be immense tax breaks for businesses to sign up and get universal healthcare coverage.

This could be passed and the roads would all lead to single payer down the road. Otherwise, if we try to fight for single payer initially, we'll get nothing....just like in 1994.



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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:51 PM
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10. You keep saying this!!
Edited on Tue Sep-18-07 12:52 PM by ProudDad
What makes you think that the Congress would pass any of these inadequate, hodge-podge kludges of corporate welfare for the insurance industry, big pharma and all the rest of the corporate for-profit leeches who will find a way into the system more easily than ONE BILL?

ONE BILL -- HR676 or an equivalent...Medicare (a proven system) for ALL!!!

Especially if people like you would stop your resistance and get on board with the rest of the Industrialized, Civilized World and push HARD on your CongressCritters for the the RIGHT PLAN -- Single-Payer, Universal HEALTH CARE -- not a corporate give-away.


You say you like the Conyers/Kucinich plan then FIGHT FOR IT!!!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:57 PM
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14. Empirical evidence shows that most people have given up that fight. n/t
Edited on Tue Sep-18-07 12:57 PM by redqueen
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:16 PM
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16. It would certainly appear so
from a lot of the posts on the health insurance threads on DU...

I can't believe the ones who actually think that Hillary's "plan" is original or possible or desirable. They can dis Obama's and Edwards' "plans" but don't seem to realize that Hillary ripped theirs off and made it MUCH WORSE and LESS INCLUSIVE and STILL CORPORATE WELFARE!

Amazing...

And I'm getting more disillusioned by the moment. If DU can't see the light, I guess it will be easy to con the rest of the population -- the health insurance mafia and big pharma got all the money and can buy the media...
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:18 PM
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17. Yup... same here.
If this is what DUers think... there's really no hope.

Might as well get some more lube and practice bending over.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:29 PM
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20. I won't give up though.
I'm still going to lobby my congresscritter. I'm still going to raise my voice for the only REAL solution to USAmerican Health Care needs.

It's amazing. It's really quite simple...

The average USAmerican pays over $7000 per year for "health insurance/health care"...more than double the next highest cost Universal Health Care country...

Their systems yield better results...

They control costs BECAUSE their plans are Universal and Comprehensive - Single-Payer...

Any attempt at a piece-meal approach will fail again just as Hillary failed in the early 90s...

One bill, expanding and improving Medicare for ALL is the solution!
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:04 PM
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15. I'd give HR676 a 20% chance of passing...and then what?
Nothing?

I am absolutely for HR676, but I also know the Beltway. All roads lead to that unfortunately. We can sit around in our virtual blogs and parlor talk all we want, but when you see what we are up against with a clear view, you see how we need to start with universal and get single payer down the road... or get shit.


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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:18 PM
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18. How do you arrive at that?
You "know the beltway"?

Don't you know that on some issues, the beltway has to follow the grassroots?

Your surrender is part of the problem. Admit it, stand up on your two feet and work for what you believe in, my friend, instead of buying into the health industry and DLC bullshit that we're powerless over them...

We are only powerless when we give up our POWER!!!!
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #18
22. I like the bumpersticker mentality, but...
I am not surrendering.

I'm out in the fucking street every weekend and at times during the week doing grassroots on my own dime and on my own time.

Do your own battle in your little room and leave it to people like me to take it to the street. Stick to your bumpersticker arrogance... that'll get stuff done.

:crazy:





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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:57 PM
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25. Well, if it's "bumpersticker arrogance"
it's a hell of a lot better than your "real surrender"...

If you're for Universal Single-Payer - then FUCKING BE FOR Universal Single-Payer and quit dissing those of us who won't give up on our principles.

If you give up your real desires and principles, your holier than thou street walking ain't gonna mean shit...
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 02:05 PM
Response to Reply #25
27. Speaking of meds...
...consider some.

I've had enough of your bullshit. Buh bye...


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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:54 PM
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24. 70 out of 435 congress people have signed up to support HR 676
http://www.healthcare-now.org/resources/hr676.htm

That's about 16%. I said 20% chance. My bad...

:crazy:



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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 08:48 PM
Response to Reply #24
31. HR 676 now has 78 co-sponsors. n/t
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:55 PM
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13. How many other plans have bills drafted and ready for a vote? n/t
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #13
19. Uh, that would be a big goose-egg -- Zero!!! (n/t)
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:36 PM
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23. Now that's an argument leading directly down a rathole
Do you know how laws get passed or it government like a little video game?

Got legislation?


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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:58 PM
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26. Yep - just needs the cowardly Dem "leadership" to let it loose
http://www.house.gov/conyers/news_hr676_2.htm

Brief Summary of HR 676

· The United States National Health Insurance Act establishes an American national health insurance program. The bill would create a publicly financed, privately delivered health care system that uses the already existing Medicare program by expanding and improving it to all U.S. residents, and all residents living in U.S. territories. The goal of the legislation is to ensure that all Americans will have access, guaranteed by law, to the highest quality and most cost effective health care services regardless of their employment, income, or health status.
· With over 45-75 million uninsured Americans, and another 50 million who are under- insured, the time has come to change our inefficient and costly fragmented non health care system.

Who is Eligible

· Every person living in or visiting the United States and the U.S. Territories would receive a United States National Health Insurance Card and ID number once they enroll at the appropriate location. Social Security numbers may not be used when assigning ID cards.

Health Care Services Covered

· This program will cover all medically necessary services, including primary care, in patient care, outpatient care, emergency care, prescription drugs, durable medical equipment, long term care, mental health services, dentistry, eye care, chiropractic, and substance abuse treatment. Patients have their choice of physicians, providers, hospitals, clinics and practices. No co-pays or deductibles are permitted under this act.

Conversion To A Non-Profit Health Care System

· Private health insurers shall be prohibited under this act from selling coverage that duplicates the benefits of the USNHI program. Exceptions to this rule include coverage for cosmetic surgery, and other medically unnecessary treatments. Those who are displaced as the result of the transition to a non- profit health care system are the first to be hired and retrained under this act.

Cost Containment Provisions/ Reimbursement

· The National USNHI program will set reimbursement rates annually for physicians, allow for "global budgets" (annual lump sums for operating expenses) for health care providers; and negotiate prescription drug prices. The national office will provide an annual lump sum allotment to each existing Medicare region; each region will administer the program.

· The conversion to a not-for-profit health care system will take place over a 15 year period. U.S. treasury bonds will be sold to compensate investor-owned providers for the actual appraised value of converted facilities used in the delivery of care; payment will not be made for loss of business profits. Health insurance companies could be sub-contracted out to handle reimbursements.

Proposed Funding For USNHI Program:

· Maintaining current federal and state funding of existing health care programs. A modest payroll tax on all employers of 3.3%. A 5% health tax on the top 5% of income earners. A small tax on stock and bond transfers. Closing corporate tax loop-holes, repealing the Bush tax cut.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 10:09 PM
Response to Reply #23
32. Well, first you draft a bill. Then you take it to committee.
Edited on Tue Sep-18-07 10:09 PM by rucky
Maybe congress needs a refesher course, because they won't even introduce things that aren't rubber stamped as "Bipartisan". Now we skip the whole negotiation process and water down our bills before they're even drafted. It's not Democracy, it's Mediocracy.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:48 PM
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9. Yes
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:30 PM
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2. Biden has not come out with his 'official' plan yet -
those are just basics.

I have heard him discuss bits and pieces, and there will be some interesting things in there.
But until it's official, I'll leave it at that.
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radiclib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:30 PM
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3. Thanks for reminding me why I'm for Kucinich
Looks like Romney-lite health "care"(read: insurance) is the best we can expect in 2008.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:32 PM
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5. Yup.
Edited on Tue Sep-18-07 12:33 PM by redqueen
Oh well.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:39 PM
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8. And, the winner is: DENNIS KUCINICH!
He's the only one who makes any sense at all on this subject!

TC


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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:52 PM
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11. Thanks zz (nt)
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:54 PM
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12. blah blah blah blah ESTABLISH MEDICARE FOR ALL blah blah n/t
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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:34 PM
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21. Looks like Dennis has the only REAL plan!
I am an employer...I don't want to be the only one to carry the burden of health insurance.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 02:25 PM
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28. nice to see you again bro! here's your 3rd rec...
Here's an organization I'm thinking of supporting:

Wild salmon have a place in the world too, don't they?

What do you think?

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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 02:27 PM
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29. So who will fight harder and smarter to pass their plan in Congress?
Otherwise, all are great starts w/smarts :D
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 04:35 PM
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30. Most of these suck
With the exception of Kucinich, all of them direct more money to insurers (with all the wastage that entails) and almost all require employers to pay which is both overly complicated and prone to abuse. The most logical system is simply full healthcare, funded directly from taxes and administered by career civil servants. Insisting on keeping insurers involved indicates a "free market uber alles" attitude which A) doesn't work and never has and B) is totally inefficient. All this "private sector lowers costs" is so much bunkum. The most cost-effective and efficient solution has always been well-policed career civil servants.

Also, if a Dem candidate raised the corporate tax to something reasonable and forced them to actually pay it (40% of corporations pay no tax at all and those that do contribute less than 10% of total tax revenues), there'd be no need for pissing around by forcing employers to contribute (which also risks getting into the "no work, no insurance" mess).
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