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eaprez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:19 PM
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Kerry just bumped Edwards Speech~
The rat!
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:19 PM
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1. He's really starting to piss me off
Proper behavior would be to let him at least speak for 10 minutes.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:20 PM
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2. That pissed me off to!
Now we have to listen to the pontification for the next 20 minutes
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eaprez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:22 PM
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6. I Don't Like it Either
...BUT, its very good strategy on Kerry's part...and he won't be able to do that in a two man race. Edwards is a much better speaker than Kerry.
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TheWebHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:21 PM
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3. nonsense
Had you been watching C-SPAN, you'd have seen the introducing candidates signal the time Kerry was going to be on well before Edwards took the stage. Edwards, had his staff been watching television, could have delayed their speech if they wanted the airtime.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:24 PM
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11. Doesn't matter....this will bite Kerry in the butt...
The people watching at home on CNBC, MSNBC, CNN, and FOX will see this and think Kerry is a jerk.

It's a move someone like Rove would try to pull.

Kerry pissed me off with this one. And now he's trying to talk about the same themes that Edwards addresses... two Americas, outsourcing, etc...

I'll vote for him against Bush, but man... he's looking more like a weasel every day.

Two weeks until super Tuesday... that's an infinity in primary time. By March 2nd, the "inevitability" of Kerry will be old news.

Go JRE!
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:49 PM
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37. But I would think that is what we want...
..."we" being those who care about the issue more than the candidate, not to say you don't...sorry...back and forth between screens and getting muddled. I mean that the PROCESS, including Edward's strong showing, should push Kerry toward more progressive stances. Should he be the nominee, that is critical. And Dean, Clark, et al have played-or are playing (Edwards, Kucinich, Sharpton)- a crucial role in that making whichever is the candidate strong enough (ie, has enough voter support for) positions that are good for workers, poor people, minorities. This is how it works. I am not an Edwards supporter, but good to see his anti-Nafta, two Americas voice getting a response.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:21 PM
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4. Is he starting to compare two Americas now to?
jesus christ
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mourningdove92 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:21 PM
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5. hehehe,
he must have glanced in his "mirror" and got scared.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:22 PM
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7. Well, Edwards "bumped" Dean...seems fair to me.
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:22 PM
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8. Actually, I timed it
Dean got 10 min. 14 seconds, Edwards got 55 seconds.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:25 PM
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14. Edward's Nat'l Audience Got Shafted
timing is everything.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:32 PM
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24. I can only hope that those now listening have the same reaction
I do--"bring back Edwards!"
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:23 PM
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9. Most people would rather hear from the winner asap.
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dawn Donating Member (876 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:24 PM
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10. I know! How annoying!
Yes, Edwards did it to Dean, but Dean got to speak for 10 minutes. Edwards only got less than a minute!

I am so p.o'ed! I hope they replay it!

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mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:49 PM
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36. JE's
on CSPAN now.
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disenfranchised Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:24 PM
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12. The best way to beat Kerry
is to let him speak.
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pintobean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:45 PM
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35. lol (eom)
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:24 PM
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13. Kerry blog comment on that:
Whoa, Kerry checks Edwards into the glass. (His hockey skills coming into play.)

LOL! But he should have given Edwards a little more time.
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:25 PM
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15. Kerry determines what CNN covers?
Wow, it is a media conspiracy. :eyes:

To be fair, Edwards bumped Dean.
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:26 PM
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16. Edwards gave Dean 10 minutes
That's been about normal for what I've seen the entire campaign.

Edwards was given less than a minute, according to one poster.
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eaprez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:27 PM
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Not to Worry
Edwards will be the big story tomorrow as the talking heads start talking about Kerry's vulnerability!
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Rooktoven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:28 PM
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20. 30 seconds at best
so third place gets 10 minutes, 2nd gets 1/2.

I hadn't thought this before, but f--- John Kerry.
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boxster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:32 PM
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25. No kidding.
This is just silly. Kerry won - of course they're going to cover him.
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feistydem Donating Member (994 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:27 PM
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17. I heard it announced first that Kerry was going to speak,
then they went to Edwards and switched back to Kerry when he came on.

Let's not be so testy here. Edwards probably didn't hear it and was on his way down. Kerry was probably on his way down too when Edwards got on.

I've not seen acrimony between these 2 men. I think they would be respectful to each other and the wires just got crossed.

Why look for a fight? Good grief.
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skjpm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:28 PM
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21. This is exactly why I don't like Kerry. eom
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eaprez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:29 PM
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22. Its Niave
Edited on Tue Feb-17-04 10:29 PM by eaprez
to think that was not choreographed. This is a high stakes political campaign. It was coreographed --- Kerry knows Edwards is a much better speaker than he is....and so do his strategists who call these shots.
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:28 PM
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18. Actual DEMOCRATIC primary voters favored Kerry by over 10%
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Rooktoven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:30 PM
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23. Actual voters who make a difference favored Edwards. -nt
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:33 PM
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28. David Dunham has it right!
.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:28 PM
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19. Frankly, I find them all pretty boring
Unless it's your guy and you are all excited, these speeches are not exactly must-see-tv, lol. :)
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:32 PM
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26. Umm. so that's easy for you then
just go do something else.

But if you're an interested viewer and WANT to see it, it's a disappointment.

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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:37 PM
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30. Yes, I'm sure you will hear very important statements
from the candidates that you never heard before!

I'm entitled to my opinion, thank you very much.

If you want to see the speech, you can watch it on c-span.

Jebus, they cut out of my guys bowing out speech a few minutes into it, to watch no-neck shuffle papers. His last fucking speech.

Edwards will have plenty more speechifying in the future.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:32 PM
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27. True True True
I miss Wes....
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feistydem Donating Member (994 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:33 PM
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29. Edwards and his wife got some pretty good TV time tonight
Both of them were interviewed. John on both CNN and MSNBC. It's not like the guy never got to speak.

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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:40 PM
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33. Edwards got a great question from Larry King on CNN
"Is John Kerry on your short list for VP?" :)
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:39 PM
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31. speaker on CNN is saying the same things we are about JK vs. JE's
speechmaking abilities
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:41 PM
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34. Greenfield just said Kerry's speech
was "modular."

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SadEagle Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:39 PM
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32. CSPAN said they'll show Edwards' speech in its entirety.
Edited on Tue Feb-17-04 10:43 PM by SadEagle
Heads up!
Edit: they said "shortly", now doing calls... Grr, goopers calling in
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Allwaysforward Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:53 PM
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38. is that happening now
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SadEagle Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 11:00 PM
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39. Sorry. Finished now.
I am sure they'll archive it an/or run it again, though
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