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NewJerseyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:00 PM
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Drudge: Aides say Dean may endorse Edwards
I know, I know, its Drudge. But, he is occasionally right so maybe he is this time.

http://www.drudgereport.com/
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:00 PM
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1. Saying Edwards is a better candidate than Kerry...
might have been a clue... who knows. It's drudge.
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atre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:47 PM
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22. Dr. Dean is right: Edwards would pull in the swing voters
Edwards does have more mainstream appeal than Kerry, and would, without a doubt, pull in more swing voters.

Kerry has no message that would appeal to rural or blue-collar workers. While Kerry has recently been coasting to victory, his support thus far has been only skin-deep, almost exclusively from people who can articulate no other reason to vote for him other than their assumption he is the most "electable" candidate (probably because of his military background). See the exit polls in every primary thus far.

One thing to remember about primaries is that generally only the most committed voters show up to cast their ballots. Thus, Kerry's success thus far has come at least in part because he was able to convince people on the hard left that he is the person most likely to defeat Bush. Arguably, Kerry's success in the primaries has come IN SPITE OF the fact that he attracts very few swing voters, not because of it.

The best thing about Edwards is that he is perceived as a moderate or even conservative. On some social issues, that may in fact be the case. Because of this perception (real or not), he would appeal to many voters who might not otherwise vote for a Democrat.

At this time, however, what should matter most is economic policy. And on economic issues, Edwards is light years better than Kerry (or any other nationally recognized Democrat of the last two decades, including Clinton, Gore and Carter). NAFTA and similar agreements are slowly killing the working class. Of the candidates, only Edwards and Kucinich want to do something that would stop the bleeding.
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George_Bonanza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:49 PM
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24. Kerry does very well with low-income voters
He beat out Edwards in Wisconsin, among that group.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:59 PM
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27. You are speaking in terms of perception. (n/t)
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atre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 11:46 PM
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34. "Low-income voters" are not swing voters
...until you look at a subset of them, like rural low-income voters, etc.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:52 PM
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25. My wife is one...
My wife finds Kerry distasteful and would probably stay home if it was Kerry-Bush.

She is absolutely gaga over Edwards though...

If Edwards is the nominee, the gender gap will be 70-30 in favor of the Democrats in the General Election.

Not so with Kerry... he's creepy looking and BORING.
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George_Bonanza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 11:00 PM
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28. Kerry beat Edwards among women voters in Wisconsin
I don't think his "creepy and boring" face is so repelling that women will cease to vote for him come GE.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 11:44 PM
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33. You keep forgetting...
...the General Election isn't just about Dems...

We can't win with just the Dem vote... we need independents... Edwards creams Kerry among independents and Edwards will get all the same Dem voters that Kerry gets.


If you're truly ABB, you've gotta be for Edwards.
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formernaderite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 11:09 PM
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29. As a Deaniac I'd vote for Edwards over Kerry...
...Edwards despite being a tort lawyer who made it big, knows what blue collar means. Kerry's just a bit too rich for my blood. I know Dean was wealthy growing up, but he left the city to bring up his kids in a rural state.
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EXE619K Donating Member (717 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:02 PM
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2. honestly....
I don't like Edwards much.

However, If this were to be true, I don't think I'll mind it that much.

I have very little qualms with Big Ed.
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:02 PM
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3. I would be deeply honored, if he did that.
Edited on Tue Feb-17-04 10:02 PM by Cuban_Liberal
I have enormous respect for Dr. Dean, and would welcome his endorsement, if this is true. :)
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:34 PM
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13. me too
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Allwaysforward Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 11:12 PM
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31. i agree ed. is a better candidate. and probably has less in his closet
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:04 PM
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4. Can Dean do that while he is still running? Or is he going somewhere? n/t
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:34 PM
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14. Is Drudge more credible depending on the topic?


He is being exposed as a rumor monger...again

I would have thought his reports of President Clinton's "black illegitimate son" that were as exposed as cruel lies would have done that for most people. But no. People still fall for his snake oil. Strange world.

Don


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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:42 PM
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18. That was exactly the point I was making.
Dean has not said anything about this, so just how credible is Drudge? Ø credibility in my book. Don't you get it?

Don

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formernaderite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 11:16 PM
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32. Don't flame me, but after listening to him on the radio....
...I kind of like the guy. True, he's an opportunistic repeater of other peoples stories. Still, he's no journalist so I don't think you can attribute the investigation to him. I've found him to be pretty rough on the corporate media and the corporate purchasing of power in America. He's certainly not a natural on the radio, but there's something normal about him and his concerns. Plus, I love the "queer guy" music interludes he plays.
For some reason I'm an insomniac Sunday nights, and I've found myself turning the bed side radio onto the am news station in my area.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 12:21 AM
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39. I Heard this earlier today on MSNBC
I don't have a link; was just a discussion, but they said Dean hates Kerry because of the dirty tricks against him in Iowa.

They said Dean would endorse Edwards if he drops out, because he hates Kerry, but he also thinks Edwards is a better candidate.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:05 PM
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5. Edwards - Dean
Gawd, that has a nice ring to it. Although in a perfect world it should be Dean - Edwards.
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mlawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:35 PM
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16. I would be ecstatic over either version! n/t
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robsul82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:06 PM
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6. Like my thread said, man, I'd definitely board the Edwards train.
Catch that Edwards fever, lol.

Later.

RJS
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mot78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:06 PM
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7. What does Newsman Drudge have to say about this?
:o
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:15 PM
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8. No offense to you, NJDem but
Drudge can go pound sand. I'm sick of his drivel.
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NewJerseyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:16 PM
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9. Well, he is right every once in a while
However, I think he is wrong this time because he just took this story off his website so I guess he just made that up or something.
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:25 PM
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10. Things I've learned in GD2004, so far
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=293810

4) The Drudge Report is simultaneously horrendously inaccurate and the absolute truth.

Stop sourcing Drudge!!
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curse10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:31 PM
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11. Ick, Drudge
do we need another drudge story around here??? Really???
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:32 PM
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12. Fuck Drudge
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:35 PM
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15. Drudge. hahahaha. He's no more credible than Dick Morris.
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ringmastery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:36 PM
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17. Did he remove it from his site?
I don't see it mentioned.
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NewJerseyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:45 PM
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20. Yes
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oxymoron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:46 PM
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Yes.
It has disappeared from his site. I read it when I first saw this thread and now it has magically vanished. Guess it didn't have legs.
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Mick Knox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:43 PM
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19. I dont see it on drudge.... nt
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HuskerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:46 PM
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21. WHY DOES ANYONE PAY ANY ATTENTION TO THAT SHIT?
No, REALLY?

When did DU become friends of Drudge?
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:48 PM
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23. because this time he's saying what I want to believe :-)
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:53 PM
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26. I heard this yesterday
I can't remember where, but it's not just Drudge saying it.
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tobius Donating Member (947 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 11:11 PM
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30. understand the drudge hating because of the level
of his sources. But, most of his leads are not his reporting, he breaks on leaks from people inside major news organizations. He gets info sometimes ahead of release, this includes NYT, WashPo, Newsweek,AP,LA Times, Chicago papers, UPI, also from less regarded outlets like the Enquirer, the sun, freelancers, and other right wing media outlets.

People who say they hate drudge probably don't see the difference between his "breaking hard" headlines and his own stories which are fewer.
Again, his site is sensational and as a consumer I get intrigued by the flashing siren because he has been the first on some stories, but have to remain skeptical because of past history on some of his wild goose chases.


All of us learn to write in the second grade. Most of us go on to greater things.
Bobby Knight (1940 - )
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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 11:49 PM
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35. If that's true
Edited on Tue Feb-17-04 11:52 PM by khephra
I'll be very disappointed in Dean. Kerry is closer to Dean when it comes to the Iraq war.

Personally, I don't trust Edwards. Every time I see him something inside me says "phony". He's Clinton without the charm or skill.
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atre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 11:56 PM
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36. Why is the war the most important issue for you?
Do you think a President Edwards would install PNACers into key Defense and Military positions? I don't think he would. Then what's the big deal?

I think we at DU need to accept that the vast majority of the American public do not care about what the Bush Administration has done in regards to Iraq. Sad, but true. What does concern them is paying their mortgage, getting their kids through college, etc.

Shouldn't the economy be the most important issue for Democrats in this race? It is for the people who will be voting in the General Election. I know it is the most important issue for me.

A Kerry candidacy worries me in this regard: Kerry can't articulate clear policy differences than Bush on the free trade issue. Edwards, on the other hand, can. Kerry can't make political hay about the pro-"outsourcing to India" Bush economic adviser. Edwards can. Kerry is wrong about free trade. Edwards is not.
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atre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 11:58 PM
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37. ABC is reporting exactly the same thingor
For those of you attacking the message by poxy (Drudge)...
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mouse7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 12:29 AM
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40. Then start a thread saying "ABC is reporting..."
There's a reflex response toward any story Drudge reports for good reason. Start the discussion over again on a new thread with ABC at the top.
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loudnclear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 12:20 AM
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38. The only person who Dean could honestly endorse would be DK
Edwards is unapologetic about the Iraqi war vote and he really really would be too hawkish to me.
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Mobius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 12:32 AM
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41. I cant believe anyone would use druge for a source
on anything. Dean may endorse noone, Dean may stay in the race until the bitter end. If anyone knows Deans intentions, it sure as heck is not drudge. IMHO
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