What was that about Clark-Dean-Edwards splitting the vote being nonsense?

[Nazgul35]

If the vote stays as close as it is now....would some here like to revisit the idea that the Clark-Dean-Edwards camps were splitting the anti-establishment vote?

Or are we going to be treated to the usual "It's a repug plot to screw with our elections..."

As Trippi pointed out at his new site....every Pres. primary race has moments like this. Iowa was about whether the residents of Iowa were ready to end the race by supporting Dean...they weren't....

Now, Wisconsin had a chance to put the election away...and they chose (it appears as of now) that they have decided to continue the debate....

This has happened to every front runner coming out of Iowa NH....we will have a horse race from now on.....

Look for Dean to endorse Edwards....like Clark should have!

[PROGRESSIVE1]

1. Clark was right to endorse Kerry.

What is with all of this Kerry bashing????

[Nazgul35]

6. bashing?

your sensitivity is a little high isn't it? My post was about the fact that voters may have been divided between thre viable candidates, splitting the vote....now as the field narrows, voters are moving towards another candidate besides Kerry because they are not ready to end this primary season and declare Kerry the winner...

if you think that is bashing..start digging a deep hole for the general election...

[eileen_d]

2. Now Edwards is an "anti-establishment" candidate?

LOL... the mood on DU sure does change depending on who's ahead.

Is he an "outsider" too? Is he going to clean up the mess those Washington cockroaches have made of our country?

I have nothing against Edwards... it's just amusing.

[Nazgul35]

5. If you have lsitened to the speeches

he has been giving since Iowa, than I don't understand your amusment?

He is running on the message of changing Washington, whether that is true or not is irrelevant...as you know...all the candidates have taken positions counter to their actual actions in this race...some candidates have taken more "laughable" positions than Edwards'....

[eileen_d]

7. No, I'm not laughing at Edwards, I'm laughing at DU

I guess I got used to hearing "Kerry-and-Edwards" being condemned together by supporters of other candidates on IWR, etc.

Then again, I got used to seeing Dean/Clark flamewars... those were the days...

[Nazgul35]

11. politics makes strange bedfellows...

:evilgrin:

[KittyWampus]

3. The Republicans ARE Voting In Open Primaries With The Intent

of getting the weakest candidate.

That is a fact.

It is not tinfoil.

Just like Gray Davis managed to pick the Republican HE wanted to run against.

[democratreformed]

4. No thanks

Results from TN and VA

TN
Kerry 41
Edwards 26
Clark 23
Dean 4
Sharpton 2
Kucinich 1

VA
Kerry 52
Edwards 27
Clark 9
Dean 7
Sharpton 3
Kucinich 1

Looks to me like Clark pulled support from Kerry in TN.

[Nazgul35]

8. huh?

TN
Kerry 41
Edwards 26
Clark 23
Dean 4
Sharpton 2
Kucinich 1

VA
Kerry 52
Edwards 27
Clark 9
Dean 7
Sharpton 3
Kucinich 1

looks like Dean pulled support from Edwatds in TN...


?????

just typing it doesn't make it so....

[democratreformed]

14. I shouldn't answer but I will

Look at the numbers. That's all I'm saying. I looked at the county numbers as well. It is clear that we pulled support from Kerry. Overall, Kerry was lower in TN where Wes did better. Edwards was about the same in both states. Maybe Edwards would have gotten more without Clark in the race, but how much difference would 9% have made in Virginia?

Now, I'll go clean myself off. I never cease to be amazed at some of the nastiness around here.

[incapsulated]

9. Clark and Kerry were going after similar voters

so they were "splitting" too.

Why should Clark endorse Edwards when he was for Kerry before he decided to run?

So was I.

[Adelante]

12. Where does this idea come from?

That Clark was ever going to endorse anybody but Kerry. :shrug: I don't get it at all.

[incapsulated]

15. I think

When everyone was in the race, we were all anti-Kerry to a certain extent. He was the front runner and we all wanted him to go down.

Now that Clark is out of the race, people think that attitude remains. It's completely different though, because the anti-Kerry stance came from being in direct competition with him, not because we were all against him personally. And people project that onto Clark, himself.


This insider/outsider stuff was mostly overblown campaign rhetoric, imho. Edwards is no outsider and neither Dean or Clark were proposing anything as radical as Kucinich, who was the true outsider, even though he's a congressman.

[andym]

10. Clark should not have endorsed Edwards

Clark should not have endorsed Edwards, he shoud have stayed in the race.

[RichM]

13. How was Clark not Establishment? How was Edwards, for that matter?

And Dean has only the faintest claim on such a term. Sheesh. :eyes:

Clark showed how "anti-establishment" he is by endorsing Kerry.

[Maddy McCall]

16. Or Dean? Rhetoric and actions aren't one in the same.

[Nazgul35]

17. I was referring to their supporters...

eyes rolling or not....the people who have been working for those campaigns...and Kucinich's as well have been working to reestablish the grass roots....

Granted, Edwards' campaign was not at the top of that group...but it is the message he has been using at every stump speech he has made since before Iowa....

You need to look at who the message is attracting....it is about the message, not the messenger....

[Maddy McCall]

18. Are you privy to supporters' demographic info or is your supposition just

based on anecdotal evidence?