Clark Dems Thread

[SW FL Dem]

We don't get an official thread but what are your thoughts?

[knight_of_the_star]

1. I wish Wes was still in

He would be walloping Edwards like it is cool.

[SW FL Dem]

2. Me Too!

Before he dropped out, Clark was in a solid second in Wisconsin.

[Adelante]

3. Edwards is doing very well

Running anti-NAFTA, although I thought he was pro-NAFTA, so it's confusing to me. He's also wiping up the independents with a sponge.

[SW FL Dem]

6. Edwards was my first choice

until Clark entered the race.

[Renew Deal]

4. Clark is beating Sharpton.

:)

[in_cog_ni_to]

12. He is???

WooHoo! Now that's some good news! :7

[Tim_in_HK]

18. Yeah

at 10% reporting, Clark beating Sharpton by over 375 votes. He's killing him!! j/k

[_NorCal_D_]

39. LOL

:silly:

[Joe the Revelator]

5. Part of me thinks that Clark dropped out too early

and the other part of me knows that he and Edwards would just split votes the rest of the season.

[roguevalley]

9. Wisconsin has a history of overturning conventional thinking and

rewarding outsiders. don't worry about it. Edwards is
going to get it soon enough.

[Tim_in_HK]

10. Yeah

That's my dichotomy as well . . .

So many 'ifs' for Clark. If Clark had done better in TN and VA, if Clark had competed in IA. Frustrating.

On Edit: Actually, people in WI are saying that Edwards is doing well b/c of perception that he's anti-Nafta, which wouldn't have really benefited Clark.

But on the other hand . . . Dems are probably more likely to be anti-Nafta, and according to exit polls, Dems are supporting Kerry more than Edwards (and Edwards is cleaning up on Independents and Repubs voting in primary).

[democratreformed]

23. Look at these results from TN and VA

Overall results:
TN
Kerry 41
Edwards 26
Clark 23
Dean 4
Sharpton 2
Kucinich 1


Va
Kerry 52
Edward 27
Clark 9
Dean 7
Sharpton 3
Kucinich 1


Does this support Edwards and Clark splitting votes? I can't see it.
To me, it looks more like Clark pulling from Kerry.

[cally]

7. I'm wondering how Wes would have done with

less candidates in the race. I think he would have done much better if Edwards wasn't competing. Still, I'm glad has shown so much integrity and I'm hoping he left the race without much debt and can move on with his life.

[Adelante]

8. WI: 7% reporting - A Cliffhanger!!

Edwards 17,896 38% 0
Kerry 17,707 37% 0
Dean 8,812 19% 0
Kucinich 1,385 3% 0
Clark 659 1% 0
Sharpton 396 1% 0
Uncommitted 33 0% 0

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/primaries/pages/states/WI/

[incapsulated]

11. OK, before everyone freaks out...

1) If Clark were still in the race, neither he or Edwards would win WI because they would split the vote.

2) Only one of us could take on Kerry and Edwards showed no sign of leaving, so the only point of staying in would be to insure more Kerry wins.

3) We were losing to Edwards. We lost in the south, which is the place we were supposed to win.

4) Even if Clark won WI, they would play it down and ignore it to the point that it would seem like it never even happened. Edwards has been the media darling since Iowa. Clark was the whipping boy. You need the media on your side to get momentum, and Clark was never going to get it from them, period.

Finally, one win does not a windfall make. It's still Kerry's race to lose, WI notwithstanding.

[NV1962]

21. Not sure I accept your #1

I believe Clark and Kerry also had strong cannibalization going on. And I don't see Edwards picking up the same percentages that Clark (presumably) would have taken; it looks more evenly distributed, with Kerry seeming to benefit more than Edwards.

WI seems to have a habit of favoring outsiders; nothing wrong with that, but it does lead to an odd spike.

Not sure at all that WI is really the beginning of a new "turn" - so I agree with your conclusion.

We'll see... Just being cautious here. :)

[democratreformed]

30. I know I don't

Look at the results from TN and VA

TN
Kerry 41
Edwards 26
Clark 23
Dean 4
Sharpton 2
Kucinich 1

VA
Kerry 52
Edwards 27
Clark 9
Dean 7
Sharpton 3
Kucinich 1


These seem to indicate Clark's support pulling from Kerry, not Edwards.

[incapsulated]

32. You're right about Kerry

I was nervous when he won Iowa, because he and Clark were going after a lot of the same voters.

Once Kerry came back from the dead, Clark was in serious trouble, Edwards or no Edwards.


*edit* I also had TN and VA on my mind, where I believe there was definite vote splitting between Clark and Edwards.

[BootinUp]

13. Im gonna

:puke:

[Tweed]

14. Let's go Kerry

Moved over to John right after Clark endorsed

[Kathleen04]

15. I'm hoping for an Edwards win! n/t

[Adelante]

16. WI: 9% reporting - Kerry first!!

Kerry 22,711 38% 0
Edwards 22,467 38% 0
Dean 11,061 19% 0
Kucinich 1,727 3% 0
Clark 820 1% 0
Sharpton 494 1% 0
Uncommitted 45 0% 0

[[e-mail]]

17. Maybe Clark's not down for the count.

I attended the last Wes Clark for President meeting that was held in Daytona Beach, Florida. Some guy, I don't know who he was, but he was being treated like he was "connected", said that he wouldn't be surprised to see a brokered convention and Clark still has a chance. I received an email the other day that said that I should write in Clark's name on the Florida Democratic primary ballot, just to try to get delegates, if nothing else. I think a lot of people wish that Clark had stayed in a little longer, but maybe he's not completely out of the picture. Lazy media may have written Clark out, but...

[Adelante]

19. Look at Clark - 11% reporting

Edwards 30,364 38% 0
Kerry 29,251 37% 0
Dean 14,931 19% 0
Kucinich 2,250 3% 0
Clark 1,192 2% 0
Sharpton 715 1% 0
Uncommitted 64 0% 0

Movin' on up!!

[BootinUp]

22. Its too low

to even be reported. CNN won't mention Clark.

and you're trying to get me going again :cry:

[amazona]

20. i'm sorry he dropped out

Maybe he did what he planned to do -- draw attention to AWOL and get people excited by the Democrats again. We are the party of courage, and the other side is, well, just not exactly known for their honor and valor in combat to put it mildly. He certainly helped to get that idea across. Loud and clear. I just wish he had stuck it out a bit longer. I'm sure it's difficult knowing what to do that is best for the greater good.

[JPJones]

24. Do you have to be a member to get the cool logo? n/t

[incapsulated]

25. I think you have to donate to be able to upload your own avatar

It free for anyone to use, though. :)


*edit* you can still store it on your own server and put it in your sig line.

[Nashyra]

29. I think that Clark must have been promised the VP slot

why else would he have dropped out when he was running such a solid 2nd in WI and they knew that the Repukes and Independents could vote. Clark would have waxed Edwards clock in WI. Why would Clark drop out?

[RandomUser]

43. Alternatively, you can just add it to your signature line

You can just add the logo to your signature line if you don't have donor status. (Or even if you do and just prefer to have it in your sigline and have a different avatar)

[Adelante]

26. WI: 14% reporting - Kerry!!!

Kerry 35,067 38% 0
Edwards 35,006 38% 0
Dean 17,181 18% 0
Kucinich 2,710 3% 0
Clark 1,434 2% 0
Sharpton 811 1% 0
Uncommitted 74 0% 0

[Adelante]

31. WI: 18% reporting - Kerry Nailbiter - Eeekkk!! 38-38%

Kerry 45,074 38% 0 18%
Edwards 44,114 38% 0
Dean 21,093 18% 0
Kucinich 3,239 3% 0
Clark 1,848 2% 0
Sharpton 990 1% 0
Uncommitted 115 0% 0

:beer:

[truebrit71]

27. I must confess that Wes's withdrawal struck me as odd...especially

seeing as how he was polling in a strong second place in today's primary just a week ago....

Was a deal brokered between he and Kerry to pull out in exchange for the VP nod??

It still breaks my heart that Wes is no longer in this fight, and I have a sinking feeling about the GE if Kerry gets the nomination...

Kerry is too much of an insider and Edwards is too young...you know that that will be at least SOME of the crap thrown at the fan by the rethuglicans...

Dammit all General, for the first time in your career you left your soldiers behind....

[incapsulated]

33. Read the posts above

There are a lot of reasons why Clark left the race, none of them having to do with a VP slot.

I don't feel left behind at all. He made the correct choice, imo.

[Adelante]

34. You're so completely elegant in that new get-up

I hardly know you :evilgrin:

[incapsulated]

36. Hee

I'm now officially the Queen of Denial! ;)

[tishaLA]

28. Hi Clark dems!

I wish I didn't feel like I was on the outside looking in. Maybe I'll go to the Yahoo group and catch up on the messages. Those of you who haven't subscribed, you should. It's a daunting amount of postings, but I somehow manage to make it through most of them.

[Adelante]

35. tishaLA

:hi:

[incapsulated]

38. I subscribe to Yahoo groups all the time

and then promptly forget about them, heh.

I'll try to keep up with the Clark ones.

[Lefta Dissenter]

58. Tisha,

Stay here! We don't care what you're wearing! :)

I am on the Yahoo group, and have a VERY full mailbox! I have some catching up to do! But whenever I need a pick-me-up, I come here for some good Wes Clark Support! :toast:

[Adelante]

37. WI: 27% Kerry looking better --CNN calling it for Kerry

Kerry 68,065 38% 0
Edwards 66,205 37% 0
Dean 32,443 18% 0
Kucinich 5,095 3% 0
Clark 2,693 2% 0
Sharpton 1,476 1% 0
Uncommitted 168 0% 0

[incapsulated]

40. I will suppress my true feelings about this

Because it's election night and I want to be civil and pleasant. ;)

[Adelante]

42. That's probably best

:)

Civil. Pleasant.

[Adelante]

41. WI: 33% reporting -- Kerry winner CNN

Kerry 89,375 39% 0
Edwards 85,709 37% 0
Dean 41,522 18% 0
Kucinich 6,518 3% 0
Clark 3,489 2% 0
Sharpton 1,921 1% 0
Uncommitted 225 0% 0

[MoonRiver]

44. It's kinda sad cause I feel like if he'd had the money he could have

whooped ass. He's the best candidate and America lost out big time when he dropped out. I'm still hoping for VP though.

[SW FL Dem]

45. Am iIthe only one missing the candle threads

My candles are lit.

[BootinUp]

46. Here ya go- I already had it pulled up -*sniff, sniff*

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=259726

[BootinUp]

47. one more kick

:kick:

[in_cog_ni_to]

49. Those were the days, eh?

:cry::cry::cry::cry:

[BootinUp]

52. I need a drink :^)

[DIBL]

48. Kerry really puts me to sleep

and Edwards is so plastic. I never really liked Dean's bellicose attitude but at least he was real.

As far as I'm concerned, these elections have lost their luster now that Clark is gone. It's down to politics as usual again. Sigh...

[BootinUp]

51. I have to agree

There still is the task of eviscerating the chimp. :evilgrin:

[in_cog_ni_to]

55. I hear ya...

pretty damn boring...IMO. The Wizard of Oz Tree and Pretty Boy with "nice hair"......yawn. :boring:

I know, I know......I just feel like bitchin'! :evilgrin:

[SW FL Dem]

50. Kick

[laruemtt]

53. i miss him!

this is just another horse race without the general... ;(

he doesn't have any of the deficiencies we see in the others - not a one. sigh............

[HuskerDem]

54. Sure wish we still had four stars in this race BUT..........

I have the feeling they'll be back. :toast:

[Lefta Dissenter]

56. Helllloooooooooooooooooo!

Well, this has been interesting, hasn't it? I'm not doing any speculating as to where Clark would be had he not dropped out. Too painful.

Well, we've got over 7300 votes for Clark! at 2% with 65% reporting. But Sharpton has pulled ahead by a few votes, which is too bad.

[SadEagle]

57. Clark ahead of Sharpton again now.

See http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2004/primaries/by_state/WI_Page.html?SITE=YAHOOELN&SECTION=POLITICS#TOP

Nearly 10,000 votes. I am impressed. Good job guys!

[Adelante]

59. WI: 81% reporting - Clark 10,219 Votes

Kerry 264,290 39% 16
Edwards 236,221 35% 13
Dean 122,377 18% 7
Kucinich 22,812 3% 0
Clark 10,219 2% 0
Sharpton 10,130 2% 0
Uncommitted 909 0% 0

[Lefta Dissenter]

61. I have to say,

I'm surprised that Kucinich isn't doing better tonight. I really thought that once Madison reported, his numbers would go up.

[in_cog_ni_to]

60. Nevermind...... : )