California Poll: Hillary 51%, Obama 27%, Edwards 14%...

[SaveElmer]

Hillary continues to hold a whopping lead in California...no change from the last poll...

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReportEmail.aspx?g=487589bb-87d0-4a2a-96b4-3721541076b9

[fedupfisherman]

1. So what?

The primary is still several months off.

[wyldwolf]

2. when is the deadline for absentee ballots in CA? Is it mid-January?

[SaveElmer]

8. I think that's right...

Could be a boost for Hillary going into Iowa!

[rinsd]

9. Deadline for applying for absentee ballots is between the 29th and 7th day before the election.

You can send in your application before the 29th day but it will not be considered until then. County election officials cannot accept and application after the 7th day.

So this year it will be between Jan 7th and Jan 29th 2008.

Here's a link to the CA SoS's explanation http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/Outreach/absentee/links/absgde_long.pdf

And for those seeking a ballot, here's a link for that - http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/elections_m.htm#apply

Here's stats on the number of absentee voters the last few elections

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/pav_survey_02through06.pdf

[sandnsea]

3. They elected Ahnold too

Between that and NYC electing Giuliani and Bloomberg, I'm not all that impressed with the Democrats in the "big states" either. In fact, based on that, there probably aren't as many liberal Democrats as DU likes to think there is.

[fedupfisherman]

4. Hillary is big with the Hollywood Crowd

Not sure she's as big with the 'little people' like you or me

[sandnsea]

5. Bill is big with the Hollywood crowd

I don't think they give two craps about Hillary, one way or the other. I don't think most people do.

[SaveElmer]

7. All evidence to the contrary...nt

[Semper_FiFi]

16. Yet strangely she seems to be leading in all polls to date

Why is that? Would you prefer a republican to be leading in the polls?

[sandnsea]

22. Same reason they elected Arnold I guess

I don't know why they did that either, or elected Bloomberg in NYC. It's a mystery to me.

[Semper_FiFi]

24. They also voted against *

I'm not sure what you're driving at. That the California electorate is fickle? Is that really so surprising? California is made up of many pockets that do not necessarily agree on all things. Yet, still, Hillary leads the poll. Not much to question about that. She is obviously more popular that the other candidates.

[sandnsea]

31. The best person doesn't always win n/t

[superkia]

41. Look at the shape of our country for the proof of that!

Everyone seems to be pulling for their candidate like its a football team, not really interested in a good superbowl, just wanting their candidate to win. Go America!

[oasis]

35. Arnold received a helluva boost from Oprah, the Kingmaker.(eom)

[SaveElmer]

6. So 51% of Democrats in California are part of the "Hollywood Crowd"?

:rofl:

[fedupfisherman]

12. Maybe in the poll n/t

[rinsd]

11. Ahhh the voters are ____________ because they didn't pick my guy argument.

All the more hilarious since you've been beating your chest that Obama attracts Republican voters.

[sandnsea]

14. Oh I never ever said that, not ever

I'm about attracting the 50% of voters who don't vote. I'd just as soon most Republican voters crawl back under their rocks where they belong. I also referenced who these particular voters chose, Republicans, - not that they didn't "pick my guy".

[emilyg]

15. and Oprah

[Tellurian]

26. Weren't Clooney and Damon hyped to attend Oprah's Obama Fundraiser?

didn't hear anything about it...or might have missed it .

[bridgit]

32. Ahnold *weaseled* his way in via a secret meeting in an LA hotel room w/Ken Lay...

and the bullshit that ENRON spewed all over this state

[Botany]

10. California Poll: Hillary 51%, Obama 27%, Edwards 14%

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

13. If Gore Stays Out, Hillary Is Going To Win The Nomination

Let's face it, the "fix" is in. Her corporate friends all want her. She has lots of support from her Congressional friends. And the DLC would LOVE to have her in the WH.

Obama is a fresh and entertaining face, but he has No Chance this time around. Edwards can't seem to get any traction, and he's been stalled since his wife's cancer announcement.

Mark my words, unfortunately the nominee will be Ms. Clinton, and the Corporate Media will spend 10 months in 2008 watching the close horserace that will develop between her and probably Giulliani.

[illinoisprogressive]

17. oh yawn. is this support to demoralize us? nice try

[ronnykmarshall]

19. Uh no ......

Here's a newsflash .... it's not all about "you".

California is for Hillary (at this point).

Deal with it.

[Semper_FiFi]

25. "Us"?

Who makes up this "us" you refer to?

[emilyg]

30. Your "us" scares the hell out of me.

[Colobo]

34. "US"= Obama supporters.

[cgrindley]

36. Who's this "us"?

It's going to be sweet around here the day that Clinton wins the nomination. I will dance on the graves of the dead campaigns as they wither and die, by the way. After the shitty way that Clinton has been treated here, it's going to be a joy to rub people's faces in it.

[Colobo]

37. I'm sure the mods will allow you to act in such a classy manner

That's the spirit we need to have among other Democrats. :sarcasm:

[cgrindley]

38. I don't see why not... the mods are allowing an infinite number of clinton

bashing threads to litter the site... surely they'll be fair about it and allow Clinton supporters to get their revenge.

[jgraz]

43. "get their revenge"???

I thought saddling the party with this unprincipled corporate toady was your revenge. What more do you want?

[spotbird]

57. This is a Clinton bashing thread?

Huh. I wonder what sort of threads her supporters start?

[cgrindley]

62. It got hijacked as one pretty much immediately (nt)

[motocicleta]

40. You will be remembered

the day HRC gets smacked down in the general. Trust me.

[spotbird]

52. You will be dignified if it's not Clinton

as you have been throughout the campaign?

[cgrindley]

63. I don't recall any Clinton supporter threatening no one other than Clinton

the threat of taking your ball and going home in tears seems limited to the supporters of the other candidates. I would gladly throw my support behind even Kucinich if he wins the nomination (not that he has any chance of doing so).

[durrrty libby]

54. I agree. It indeed will be delish

[ShortnFiery]

18. Sorry, although I live among "the beltway crowd" of D.C., I just don't believe it of California. nt

[ronnykmarshall]

20. Of course you don't believe it.

Because the poll doesn't show Obama in the lead.

[ShortnFiery]

21. Awe, it's always a bright spot in my dull existence when you, ronnykmarshall, respond to me.

:eyes:

[ronnykmarshall]

27. Oh same here.

It's the light of my life ......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcuBUCCjB-M

[MonkeyFunk]

64. hehe

I thought you were gonna post this link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6Bqf23u-40

[spotbird]

23. Do you think gloating will

cause support in the general?

[ronnykmarshall]

28. Like you would supporter her.

Please.

[spotbird]

29. Do you think gloating will improve

her support in the general?

[MonkeyFunk]

46. It won't make one bit of difference

if people here on DU gloat, it won't affect the general.

I agree with the others - it'll be sweet to see the haters get booted off of here.

[avrdream]

47. Or at least to get the haters to stop hijacking legitimate threads.

Sometimes I go to a thread to see the "intelligent" discussion that promises to be there. Once there, all I find is a bunch of Hillary bashing. It's getting old and is keeping me away.

[MonkeyFunk]

48. the problem

is so much of the "commentary" is just mindless, stupid repetition of talking points. Or, just outright lies.

Anybody who can't support the Democratic nominee doesn't belong here.

[spotbird]

58. What's great is how

the Hillary supporters knock those concerns down with hard cold facts, like calling anyone who sees thought Hillary a hater. It's an answer, but it's not responsive. Sadly, it is all you have.

You will have your autotron board of Hillary adoration soon enough, don't be so impatient.

[spotbird]

50. It makes it simple

for the Hillary bots to believe that she is despised because of the VRWC, if that's what you truly think. Mostly, I wish it were true, and she was at her core a progressive I could support, but my damn lying eyes keep telling me differently.

If you believe she is honestly a Democrat, you have to ignore so many facts that demonstrate otherwise. You must believe she isn't what Rupert Murdoch and the other Bush supporters who fund her know she is, I am unable to get to that place. What she is will not help the country. It breaks my heart that with her nomination all hope for the next four years, at least, will be lost.

Your gleeful anticipation for the time when the places where Democrats discuss progressive issues will become like the rest of the mainstream media, sanitized to the point of absurdity, is understandable. She is difficult to defend with facts, and these personal attacks used endlessly to insult her detractors must get tiresome for you.

You look forward to the day when the truth can't be spoken about Hillary. In a twisted way I do to, because then I can completely give up. Although I intellectually accept that she will be the nominee, emotionally I just can't believe that the Party I supported all my life will nominate a candidate for whom I am unable to vote.

Hillary is obviously counting on massive former Republican crossover to offset the Yellow Dogs who see her for what she is. Maybe she'll get them. Maybe we'll all get endless war. You'll win, won't that be nice.

[MonkeyFunk]

55. You're a fine example

of what I'm talking about.

If you honestly believe Clinton is NOT a Democrat, you're just willfully ignorant, or worse, deliberately lying.

Check any of the political groups that rate politicians - she's a liberal democrat. According to www.progressivepunch.org, she's the 14th most progressive member of the Senate, beating out Russ Feingold and others who are praised here.

Again, even though I haven't decided who I'm voting for in the primary, I would be very pleased to see Clinton win just to see the liars and haters here explode.

[spotbird]

56. That same standard shows Lieberman is

a liberal as well. Damn my lying eyes again. Look at what she does, not how she manipulates her scores on these report cards. There is a reason Rupert Murdoch and the Bush Rangers love her, and it's not her progressive voting record, it is because they know they can count on her in a pinch. She's their girl.

My head won't explode when she gets the nomination, I've watched two Bush inaugurations, and survived them. At this point I don't expect electoral outcomes to benefit the nation. The shock of a real Democrat winning might kill me, if you're looking for something to hope for..

[MonkeyFunk]

59. Again

that's dishonest.

The page I linked to shows Lieberman to be the 46th most progressive member of congress - above all republicans but behind almost all democrats.

Why would someone be so deliberately dishonest?

[spotbird]

60. You cherry pick

so can I:

National Journal rates Lieberman as 32.5, four senators above Clinton who it rates 29.8. They are very close.
http://nationaljournal.com/voteratings/sen/cons.htm

Why are you so deliberately dishonest about Sen Clinton? It's just wrong to lie about a candidate, why in the world would you do such a thing? It hurts deeply when a Democrat does such a thing. It is so disappointing.

As I said, watch what she does. There is a reason the Republicans support her, and it is not her progressive politics.

[MonkeyFunk]

65. and both sites

show Senator Clinton as far more progressive than any Republican, which is the point being discussed.

And what exactly was I dishonest about? Or are you projecting?

[spotbird]

67. I said those report cards

show her to be about the same as Lieberman. Lieberman knows how to game those counts, and Hillary can do the same. My problem with her is that she is a neocon, just like her friend Joe. Preemptive war is wrong.

You mischaracterize my position, which is all Hillary supporters ever do. There is a reason Rupert Murdoch and the Republicans support her. They know just how meaningless ratings like these are, as do I.

[rinsd]

68. "her to be about the same as Lieberman" except she isn't.

"You mischaracterize my position, which is all Hillary supporters ever do. There is a reason Rupert Murdoch and the Republicans support her"

You bring up non sequitar smears which is all the Hillary haters do.

[spotbird]

69. According to the information I

provided she is. You disagree. I think all those report cards are bogus, but since you believe in them, I provided you one which demonstrates my positon. You changed the subject, again.

Hillary is a neocon. She will be the nominee, and it won't matter if she wins the general election because nothing will change either way.

[spotbird]

70. My point was Clinton v Lieberman

it was made. They are two peas in a pod. Ain't love grand?

[antiimperialist]

33. Meanwhile, Giulani's lead over Thompson in Cali has shrunk to 20% in August to 2% now

If Giuliani loses California--a liberal state and the biggest in the nation, he can kiss his chances good bye.

[zulchzulu]

39. Enjoy it while it lasts...

I'm very confident that those numbers will change drastically by November.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

42. The trend is interesting: Clinton rising, Obama falling

[durrrty libby]

61. That graph is stunning. I would love to know why Hillary's

approval continues up and Obama continues down?

[draft_mario_cuomo]

66. As people get to know HRC more, they like her more; the opposite is the case with Obama

I am one of the people who HRC has grown on. :)

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

44. proving that Californians have no memories

and forget that Hillary was pro-war until the '06 elections

Do people really want to give control of the partry back to the DLC/Carville/Dick Morris types?


Yeah, we should nominte Rupert Murdoch's friend to lead us. Right.

[rufus dog]

45. neat

Living in the fine state I find it shocking that the numbers for HRC are that high. The involved people I know are all Obama supporters. It will be interesting to see what happens, but I guarantee you that it will be a lot tighter. Nice graphs though.

[Ian_rd]

49. Sorry California, but this poll is of little worth

California will go Dem no matter who is nominated. The real question is how the Dems poll in Ohio, Florida, New Mexico, etc.

[wyldwolf]

51. that question has been answered.

Hillary (and Dems in general) are kicking GOP ass in all three of those states.

[slackmaster]

53. The march of the Blue Lemmings toward the left cliff continues

Meanwhile, the Red Lemmings' appointment with destiny at the right cliff appears unstoppable.