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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 08:18 PM
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Ted Rall: Elegy For The Most Electable Candidate
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HOWIE, WE HARDLY KNEW YE

NEW YORK--At least they didn't shoot Howard Dean (news - web sites). Usually, when an American political figure speaks truth to power, he ends up conveniently dead. RFK, Malcolm X, some say Minnesota Senator Paul Wellstone: all martyrs to the quaint ideal of telling it as it is as loudly as possible. Like them, Dean scared the establishment. His aggressive style roused youngsters whom aging Boomers prefer to see somnolent. His populist Internet-based fundraising freed him from the corporate donors whose influence keeps the citizens of the world's richest nation living under a Third World system of social protections. Al Gore (news - web sites)'s endorsement transformed a candidate who came out of nowhere (Vermont) into a genuine threat to the southern conservatives who have hijacked the Democratic Party since 1992. Dean was a pro-business moderate, yet he stood poised to radically transform both his party and the American political system. Of course he had to go.

The same journalists who issued get-out-of-scrutiny passes to George W. Bush for everything from electoral fraud to assassinating U.S. citizens he declares "enemy combatants" to lying about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction nailed Dean for, of all things, "screaming" into a microphone the night he lost the Iowa caucuses. (For the record, those in the audience say, they could barely hear him over the din of the crowd.) The Hotline political newsletter reported that national TV news programs aired Dean's "I Have a Scream" speech 633 times within four days--and that's not counting local news or talk shows. Even Roger Ailes, the right-wing svengali pulling the strings at Fox News, conceded that it was "overplayed a bit." According to the Center for Media and Public Affairs, only 39 percent of Dean's coverage was positive during the following week, compared to 86 percent for John Edwards (news - web sites) and 71 percent for current frontrunner John Kerry (news - web sites).

One indignity followed another--all because, God forbid, the guy got a tad rambunctious. "Is Dean Too Angry?" headlines spread across the nation. DNC chairman Terry McAuliffe, who refused to run interference for Dean when he was leading the pack, stepped into the fray to protect Kerry. "Democrats are still so angry about Al Gore's loss in 2000 and the Iraq (news - web sites) war that they simply will not stand for intramural squabbling," the New York Times quoted McAuliffe on February 17. "I'd much rather have a unified party with money in the bank." (He was singing a different tune in December.) Dean has the second largest number of delegates, yet the media refers to Edwards as Kerry's principal challenger.

Judging by Kerry's unwillingness to go for the jugular on Bush's AWOL year and his waffling on gay marriage, Dean would probably have been the more electable Democrat come this fall. I suspect that his integrity and intelligence would have made him a finer president.

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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 08:22 PM
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1. If I'm not mistaken, this is the same Ted Rall
who just a scan month or two ago was urging all the rest of the Democratic field to step aside and unite around Gov. Dean.

Just goes to show, we have to let the process play out. I don't think the remaining candidates need to step aside for John Kerry (who happens to be MY guy at this point, since Clark gave it up). There's still a lot of votes to be EARNED.

Bake
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DaisyUCSB Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:37 AM
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35. He also wrotea column that justified(in his eyes) Iraqis killing US troops
Edited on Wed Feb-18-04 07:39 AM by DaisyUCSB
http://www.uexpress.com/tedrall/?uc_full_date=20031111

I know the term "crazy left" is used mostly by right-wingers, but if ever it applied, it's this excuse for a journalist.

It's so ignorant and narrow-minded it hurts. People like him are one of the reasons I'm not jumping on the band wagon and saying that Dean was a positive influence on the party
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asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 12:36 PM
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44. That article
...does not "justify" killing American soldiers. It's a speculative view into the minds and reasons of those who'd do so - it's called "empathy." It's a neat little trait that makes those of us who avail ourselves of it more reasonable humans. Our soldiers, in case you hadn't noticed, are an illegal invasion force. It should hardly come as a surprise that some Iraqis would want to kill them. That's why we who oppose this invasion want those troops brought home. Get it?
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 08:22 PM
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2. God Bless Ted Rall
And all the others who're refusing to fall in line.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 08:25 PM
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3. Dean and his supporters were constantly trashed
to the point that the idea of gay bashing was laughed at on MTP. No media watchdog said a word.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 08:27 PM
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4. I worried about Dean's life on occassion too Mr. Rall.
Thanks for the article Stickdog.
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 08:32 PM
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5. I'm sorry, but this is a bit ironic
Edited on Tue Feb-17-04 08:41 PM by eileen_d
"Electability" is for the sheeple... unless it's used to describe Dean
Obituaries for Dean in the media are bad... unless they lionize Dean

Yes, the media has been unfair to Dean... but come on! Where is the OUTRAGE that Rall is eulogizing before all the votes are counted?
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 08:50 PM
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14. Dean is the most electable candidate. Obits are bad no matter what.
However, I've always had a soft spot for Ted Rall.

How about you?
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 08:52 PM
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17. If Dean is the most electable
Edited on Tue Feb-17-04 08:53 PM by eileen_d
then why are people complaining that people are voting for Kerry solely on the basis of "electablility"?

As for Rall, I've liked some of his pieces, disagreed with others. No particular "soft spot."
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:37 PM
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23. I don't know. Why don't you tell me what in the world makes anyone think
John Kerry will beat Bush?

What issue does he have other than the spent Vietnam vs. AWOL card?
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:46 PM
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25. Kerry's strong on plenty of issues
Not as strong as some would like.

I think John Kerry can beat Bush. I think Dean could have beaten Bush too. I don't think Dean is going to get a chance to find out, and my opinion is that Dean's confrontational style is not what many voters want in a president.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 11:27 PM
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28. Dean is strong on Bush's biggest failings: Iraq, record deficits,
record job losses, shitty healthcare boondoggles.

What will be Kerry's issues vs. Bush?
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 11:31 PM
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29. Here
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 08:32 PM
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6. pro-business moderates...
...do NOT change anything, so the reasons Dean has lost all of the primaries and fallen from first place in the polls is Because. People. Don't. Like. Him.

That, and people can see through faux-populism and phony anti-establishment rhetoric.
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KissMyAsscroft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 08:40 PM
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7. No, people were too stupid to see...


A true reformer with a plan that will affect real change for the better.

They failed to realize that actions speak louder than words, and Dean was going to have to play politics to get elected.

The right was smart enough to know that Bush was not a "compassionate conservative" when he was running in the primaries, yet the left wouldn't give Dean the benefit of the doubt on flip-flops that he has to make to remain politically viable.

It's why the left loses, time and time again.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 08:48 PM
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11. so if people don't like Dean
They're stupid?
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 08:49 PM
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12. I'm with stupid!
:hi:
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BL_Zebub Donating Member (473 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 12:08 PM
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43. Stupid isn't the word I would use
More like "deceived by the corporate media and the Republican shitheads posing as "Democratic Party" leadership."
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 08:44 PM
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8. Dean was given 8 "A" ratings from the NRA
How good a guy could Dean be?
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 08:46 PM
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9.  The same exact grade and position
that Bernie Sanders has does he suck too?
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 08:52 PM
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16. So?
The NRA is also very actively involved in conservation efforts, and those 'A' ratings also reflect that. It's NOT just 'all guns all the time', something an NRA member like myself would know.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 08:55 PM
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18. Clark was given Michael Moore's endorsement!
Obviously, Clark's a Green who was drafted to subvert the Democratic Party from the inside!
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:01 PM
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21. Yeah. That's awful. The dems might have actually won a red state
can't have that.

BTW, I have a rifle and a shotgun. Can I still be a dem? Please?
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 08:52 PM
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15. Yep, it's the same reason Kucinich keeps getting 1%!
Because the American public is so adept at piercing the shield of media bias and seeing things the way they really are!
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:30 PM
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27. the difference between you and I
I don't think the people are stupid, nor do I blame the media for the 2 or 3% finishes in the polls for DK. Those are scapegoat arguments.

Also, best of all, I can sleep at night knowing that DK is not a "pro-business moderate" that I had to sell my soul to support. ;-)

Stick a fork in Dean, he isn't just done, he is beginning to smell funny.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 11:34 PM
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31. OK, so tell me your theory on why Kucinich only gets 2% - 3%
Edited on Tue Feb-17-04 11:36 PM by stickdog
of the vote, considering that the media is fair and informative and the people are all knowledgeable and sharp as tacks.

Kerry must be a much better candidate than Kucinich considering that more than tens times as many intelligent people vote for Kerry than for Kucinich. Wouldn't you agree?

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indigo32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 11:34 PM
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32. Funny isn't it?
I sleep pretty damn well too.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 08:47 PM
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10. Rall was in favor of not letting ANYONE vote, and just getting behind Dean
Not a popular position with me.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 12:00 PM
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42. He's not a deep thinker. That article showed his ignorance, not malice.
It wasn't nascent fascism that got him to proposed destroying democracy to save democracy. He's simply a naive artist who doesn't understand the fundaments of democratic process. And maybe he was naive about how electable Howard Dean is too. Those of us who've been around a while could see Dean was going to crash and burn, but Rall's not exactly the only person to falsely assume that the Dean campaign had legs. I don't think it's terrible, just unsophisticated.

The only reason Rall is a leading voice in the opposition is because the mainstream Democrats were such pantywastes for so long. If the smart leaders don't lead, the ignorant ones with their hearts in the right place will step forward. I like Rall's cartoons; he makes some great points. But his columns tend to show the outside limit of his talents.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 08:49 PM
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13. Why is Ted Rall declaring Dean dead? n/t
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 08:57 PM
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19. Primaries & Delegates
Primaries Edwards has won: 1
Primaries Dean has won: 0

Delegate Count (Including Superdelegates):
Edwards: 166
Dean: 188

Superdelegates:
Edwards: 26
Dean: 96

Delegates earned in primaries:
Edwards: 140
Dean: 92

You think those superdelegates are going to stick behind Dean as he continues to tank in primary after primary?
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:37 PM
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24. And it's looking like Dean's not getting WI either
What's that make his record now... 0/17?

Dean is losing primaries because voters don't like him. The media is talking about Dean's candidacy going downhill because the voters don't like him, and therefore are not voting for him.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 08:58 PM
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20. I wonder if Ted Rall has read DU because those are the same
points that Dean supporters have been making about the media assassination of Dean?
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:02 PM
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22. Or, maybe because its just obvious
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 11:31 PM
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30. That's what I was thinking Slinkerwink.
;)

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:53 PM
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26. Woo Hoo, Ted! Good to see this! Thanks! n/t
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ThirdWheelLegend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 04:53 AM
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33. Ted Rall was calling for NBD before the primaries began.
I love his cartoons, hate his punditry.

TWL
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 06:20 AM
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34. Has anyone considered the BBV issue?
Edited on Wed Feb-18-04 06:20 AM by anarchy1999
It is probably happening in each and every state right now. Add in the Media and Wallah? We have THE CANDIDATE that many have not wanted. How did that happen....? HMMMMM? Let us all ruminate for a few hours, shall we? Why are we all letting ourselves be told who is electable at this point in the game? Come on folks, WAKE THE F UP!

Stick with your candidate, you are the people, you have the vote, demand your vote be counted.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 08:07 AM
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38. BBV issue. VERY interesting, eh?
Isn't it interesting that no Dems would co-sponsor the Holt bill. Shall we place bets on how many Democrats co-sponsor the bill AFTER the primaries? That would be AFTER THEIR nominee has won. Just WATCH! Corrupt, corrupt, corrupt! Our entire government is corrupt.
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:42 AM
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36. Seems to be a trend..
Some folks were worried about Dean's safety, no doubt about it.

It is always a reminder of what a flawed world we live in when we so often crucify our best.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:50 AM
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37. Ted Rall's a trip. Take the faux RFK-Malcom X analogy
Rall starts off this essay with the stupidest statement. "Usually, when an American political figure speaks truth to power, he ends up conveniently dead. RFK, Malcolm X, some say Minnesota Senator Paul Wellstone."

His criterion for "usually" is two guys killed more than a generation ago (36 and 40 years ago, respectively) and another guy who, um, died in a plane crash under no questionable circumstances. I think Rall has a martyr complex. And he of course ignores the hundreds of pols who have not been killed and yet did speak truth to power.

Rall needs to stick to his cartoons, which are great. He's not a smart writer.
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DaisyUCSB Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 08:13 AM
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39. Like the cartoon that demonized 9-11 victims wives?
Yeah, Rall is a pretty dispicable and loathesome character to me
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 09:09 AM
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40. That one was cruel,
But necessary. Like almost everything Rall writes or draws.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 11:51 AM
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41. "Civil" discourse can be cruel & must be sometimes.But target the powerful
9/11 victims are not a pristine group, but they don't all act alike. Still, I prefer him when he goes after the powerful and corrupt rather than the unduly benefited, as was the case w/ the 9/11 families.

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