They are really talking up Edwards on MSNBC, could we see an upset tonight

[ringmastery]

They are making a big point talking about the exit polls saying voters in Wisconsin wanted someone who cares about them and had a positive message.

[AP]

1. Russert on NBC said earlier that Edwards couldn't win.

He was saying that he can only push an argument for the vice presidency now.

Maybe he is doing really well tonight, and they need to plant the seed that, no matter what happens, he still can't be the nominee.

[mlawson]

6. Edwards as nominee would be Russert's nightmare.

Timmy is on a mission, as usual.

[David Dunham]

2. Nope. It's JK all the way.

[Tweed]

3. Certainly not an upset

Maybe Edwards will be respectable though

[Cuban_Liberal]

4. I don't see it in the cards.

I'd love it, though! :D

[mlawson]

7. Well, it is *possible*.

After all, polls have been wrong before...

[KurtNilsen]

5. very interesting.

Do anyone know if there are some webcasts radio or video where I can follow the results tonight?

[mlawson]

There will be at least one results thread, right here on DU.

Welcome!!

[Nashyra]

10. It was interestin to see a live interview on cnn with kerry

He mentioned Clark first when he talked about appreciating those who backed him. Now they are stroking Edwards on CNN. OK Clark get back in there and sew it up for Kerry.

[lancdem]

8. They probably just want to see the race become competitive

because they view a runaway as boring.

[ShaneGR]

CNN Just showed a stat saying a huge number of new Edwards supporters

In the exit polling, more than half of Edwards voters were new voters.

[lancdem]

12. That's good news

for our party as a whole.

[mlawson]

13. Wow. Terry McAuliffe, are you listening???

Do you and the party bigwigs even care?

[GodHelpUsAll2]

17. Terry Mac

I believe is deaf

[Zhade]

32. Fuck Terry McAuliffe. His actions border on undemocratic.

Thankfully, he's not a candidate, so I can say this without fear of a warning.

I hope. :)

[AP]

14. If they're new voters, they probably never got called by any of the ...

...campaigns.

So these are people responding purely to the media, and probably to the debate coverage and the newspaper endorsements.

[The Magistrate]

37. That Is Probably True, My Friend

Sen. Edwards has an excellent stump speech, and is an extraordinarily skilled speaker.

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[boobooday]

9. The way I feel

I would just like to see a race. I would just like to have it NOT be decided before my state even votes!!

http://www.wgoeshome.com

[mlawson]

15. I will gladly trade primary dates with you.

My state, NC, votes on May 4th!!!!! What difference will it make by then?? Way to GO, NC Dem party!!

:argh:

[flpoljunkie]

11. Actually, Tweety cannot read his own graphics.

Stands up on the issues came in first. Cares about me and has a positive message came in third and fourth. I think can beat Bush was second.

[GodHelpUsAll2]

16. And talking down Kerry

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm interesting

[Crunchy Frog]

18. Yup, the media is still trying

to fuck with the primary process. They've been trying to orchestrate it all along. Maybe their starting to get a little spooked by Kerry now.

Maybe their just trying to show off their absolute power to build up a candidate into a front runner, then take him down when it suits their agenda.

The primary process needs to be changed so that the corporate, Republican controlled media doesn't have such an overpowering influence over it.

[Nashyra]

19. Can Repukes vote in WI

if so that is probably why Edwards numbers have gone up. GOP does not want to run agains Kerry, especially if they think he might pick Clark as VP

[AP]

20. I don't think Repukes can vote in any Dem primaries. Inds, yes, in some

states. But I don't think any state lets Repukes vote.

[ShaneGR]

22. Actually, it depends

Some states do allow crossover voting outright. Other states have closed primaries. Some states like Ohio have semi-open primaries, where you choose your registration by voting in your party's primaries. BUT, you could vote in a Democratic Primary and then the next year you could switch and vote in a Republican. Basically you'd just end up getting a lot of mail from both parties.

[AP]

25. I'm pretty sure that the Dems don't seat delegates from states which

allow Republicans to vote in the Dem presidential primary.

MI, for example, has open primaries. They had to come up with a different set-up for their presidential primary because of it.

[tishaLA]

23. Yes. They can vote in the WI primary

and in lots of the primaries.

[AP]

26. Do you have a cite confirming that?

[tishaLA]

27. I just watch the news

I'm sure the other posts confirming it mean nothing.

[Zhade]

33. Without a verifiable source, yes, they mean nothing.

And taking mainstream news as the gospel truth is a dangerous idea.

[tishaLA]

29. See here

note the place where it says "eligability" and then it says "Open Primary". If you're feeling particularly ambitious, you can then click to see the definition of open primary, which says, in part, "In an Open primary or caucus, any voter - regardless of party registration - may vote in the primary of either major party (but not both!): Democrats may, if they wish, pass up their own party's primary to vote in the Republican primary, while Republicans may choose to pass up their own party's primary to vote in the Democratic primary; Independents may vote in either major party's primary. In addition, a voter's party affiliation is unaffected by which primary he or she might have chosen to vote in: for example, a Democrat who chooses to vote in the Republican primary remains a registered Democrat and an Independent who votes in the Democratic primary remains a member of neither major party."

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P04/WI-D.phtml

On edit: This might also be interesting to doubters: http://www.wisdems.org/NDSPlan2004.pdf (it requires Adobe Acrobat)

[spooky3]

36. try this one

"Those breakdowns are relevant because of the chief distinguishing feature of the Wisconsin presidential primary: its big electorate, swelled by non-Democrats allowed to vote because of the open primary system."

http://www.jsonline.com/news/gen/feb04/208117.asp

[ShaneGR]

21. I find this to be offensive

Equating Edwards supporters with Republicans. Let me tell you somethign jackoff, I'm no Republican.

[KurtNilsen]

24. I think you are wrong.

In my experience most repubs vote Dean. Overwhelmingly..Some probably vote Edwards also. want the candidates to burn dollars.

However, I think they are utterly wrong.. I am a former marketing consultant and the free PR from the media coverage of these primaries are incredibly more valuable than advertising can ever be.

[Cuban_Liberal]

28. That's incredibly insulting!

:grr:

[mlawson]

30. I think the idea is, that repukes would rather run against Edwards, than

Kerry. Don't worry: repukes are wrong about a LOTT of things.... :-)

And they are REALLY wrong about this. Imagine the beautiful scenario: Edwards wins the nomination, but the repukes take him as a lightweight. Until he hands them their heads, that is. :o

[VOX]

31. Sorry, but Edwards is the one the GOP feared first, and still fears now.

More than any other candidate, he has the ability to *connect* with people. Well before the beginning of the primary season, GOP insiders were quaking in their boots about an Edwards candidacy.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A54335-2003Feb10?language=printer

With Edwards, White House Shows First-Strike Capability
Tuesday, February 11, 2003
Is President Bush afraid of John Edwards?
<snip>
But the White House and Bush's political arm, the Republican National Committee, seem preoccupied with Edwards, a first-term former trial lawyer. A month ago, when Edwards began his candidacy, the RNC put out a 10-page report a day later branding him "An Unaccomplished Liberal in Moderate Clothing and a Friend To His Fellow Personal Injury Trial Lawyers." At the time, the GOP had not issued similar takedowns of the other Democrats in the field.
<snip>

[Skwmom]

39. If they truly feared Edwards

there is NO way the corporate media would be cheer-leading for him.

[Skwmom]

40. If they truly feared Edwards

there is NO way the corporate media would be cheer-leading for him.

[Renew Deal]

34. I heard that exit polls went pro-labor

anti-nafta

[Adelante]

35. Edwards is running anti-NAFTA in Wisconsin

criticizing Kerry and Dean both as pro-NAFTA.

[David Dunham]

38. Being anti-free trade is death to Edwards in NY and CA which need trade

[Zech Marquis]

41. wow!!!

:wow: I am very surprised and happy to see Edwards apparently exceeding everyone's expectations. He can gather this mo-jo and make Super Tuesday a real dogfight with Kerry! This is a win win situation in my book :bounce: