EXIT POLL: Edwards within 8 pts of Kerry in WI

[cbua34]

according to Drudge

[Jacobin]

1. Jacobin wins powerball lottery

according to Drudge

[Timahoe]

23. This isn't about Sludge's credibility

He's just reporting exit poll data.

The exit polls were wrong in NH, not Sludge. Remember when the media said it was too close to call?

[Name removed]

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[spooky3]

3. much as I'd like that to be true, our friendly Newsman

is not someone I have much faith in right now.

Though I do like his jaunty hat.

[a_random_joel]

4. Moon made of green cheese!

Drudge told me so!

[mmonk]

5. my dog can talk

and is a democratic operative
according to Drudge

[wuushew]

6. How is Kucinich doing? I need to know

I bet someone that he would get 15% my pride is on the line.

[cbua34]

Kerry 41%, Edwards 33%, Dean 17%

was all they had listed

[NewYorkerfromMass]

50. Kerry had 52 to Edwards 26 on the Kerry blog.

and Dean was in teens... but some will believe Drudge.

[AP]

52. Blogs have their biases, Drudge has his. What was the source for the Kerry

blog number?

[NewYorkerfromMass]

54. No idea- some Kerry guru with inside contacts

but the lore there is that he has been very close in the past primaries.

[AP]

57. The "lore"?

[NewYorkerfromMass]

60. Here was the call on AZ:

Predicted:
Kerry 41%
Clark 25%
Dean 11%
Edwards 10%
Lieberman 9%
Sharpton 2%
Kucinich 2%

Actual:
Kerry 43%
Clark 27%
Dean 14%
Edwards 7%
Lieberman 7%
Kucinich 2%
Sharpton 0%

[AP]

69. Why no link?

[NewYorkerfromMass]

71. go to Ted at 2:32 PM (halfway down)

http://blog.johnkerry.com/blog/archives/001122.html

[NewYorkerfromMass]

66. Latest from Kerry blog:

Kerry 51%
Edwards 25%
Dean 15%
Kucinich 7%
Sharpton 2%

[NV1962]

7. Edwards is the best man for President

according to Drudge

:eyes:

[Skwmom]

22. How does being a personal injury attorney for the majority

of one's life prepare them to lead this country?

[AP]

28. It seemed to work to take down the Helms machine and eject the corporat-

ocracy from the offices of the senior senator from NC.

[NV1962]

30. Dunno, by my point wasn't slighting Edwards

it's the use by an apparent Edwards supporter of Drudge a the source for "news" that puts Edwards close to Kerry...

I'm not enamored with Edwards, but as far as I'm concerned he fits in my ABB candidates - the Fab Four in my sig (depicted in alpha order)

[kanrok]

36. So what exactly is it that you have against trial lawyers?

This is a continuing mantra in your posts. What's up with that? Please be specific.

[Kahuna]

56. How is the poster "anti-lawyer" just becuase he/she doesn't..

think a personal injury lawyer is sufficiently prepared to be the lawyer. Your argument is the same as bush saying questioning his NG service is attacking the national guard. Please.

[spooky3]

58. that's not a fair analogy

Edwards is an outstanding attorney with a remarkable record of success that he built from the ground up. The person raising the question is trying to figure out why that does not count as experience that would be valuable for a presidential candidate to have, and in fact seems to be something the earlier poster believes is somehow trivial or shameful.

In contrast Bush was NOT an outstanding member of the National Guard.

The parallel would be if the poster said Edwards was an incompetent attorney and therefore not admirable, and had evidence to support it.

[kanrok]

74. You might want to check out other posts by this person

before jumping into the fray. This is just a continuation of lawyer bashing, particularly by this poster. Fell free to jump in if you choose, but you should be armed with some facts before reacting.

[atre]

51. If Edwards is not qualified, why was Lincoln?

FYI, nearly all of our greatest Presidents were lawyers. In fact, Lincoln's only experience prior to taking over the reigns of the country in 1860 was the practice of law, a term in the Illinois legislature (at a time when state legislatures did very little work), and a failed Senate campaign. If presidential candidate Edwards is not qualified, why was presidential candidate Lincoln?

I do not appreciate the anti-lawyer snipes I've seen you post throughout this site. Such vitriol to a traditional Democratic constituency would be better suited on a more right-leaning website.

Just for the sake of argument, let's turn your question around... What makes Kerry qualified to run this country? What executive positions has he held? What has he ever led? Or what about Dean? He's only been a Governor of one of the smallest states in the Union, with one of the smallest Gross State Products. Or Dennis Kucinich? Does anyone think his tenure as a Mayor or as a member of the House of Representatives is enough?

I think it goes without saying that nothing any candidate has done provides experience that translates to the Presidency. But that doesn't mean they wouldn't do a great job.

[spooky3]

63. well put. And, * has the most relevant experience.

3 years as pResident. Is he the most qualified candidate?

[Kahuna]

55. That's what I want to know. Sure he speaks pretty...

As a personal injury attorney he is trained and expert at flowery and persuasive prose. :shrug:

[spooky3]

59. are you suggesting that all it takes to convince judges and

juries is flowery speech?

That is not what studies show.

And if that's all it took, there would be hell of a lot more rich lawyers around.

[HuskerDem]

68. But there are eom

[emulatorloo]

8. EDWARDS CAUGHT IN ALIEN LOVE TRIANGLE WITH DEAN AND KERRY . . .

DEVELOPING. . . .

[chocolateeater]

42. LOL, was Batboy there? n/t

[Anwen]

9. Oh, Jeez.

[disenfranchised]

10. It's now 11 points.

[mouse7]

11. A-Rod to the Red Sox...

...according to Dredge.

[bluestateguy]

12. Matt Drudge has no credibility

Drudge also said Dean was w/in the margin of error in NH, and of course there is the recent Kerry-intern story. I wouldn't be quoting that jerk right now if I were you. There used to be a very serious professional code of conduct in the journalism community against the premature release of exit polls before the polls closed.

[ronnykmarshall]

13. Nader drives Corvair

according to Drudge.

[polmaven]

72. Not a Hummer?

:shrug:

[GRClarkesq]

14. Kerry: 42% Edwards: 31% Dean: 15%

Since when is 11 points "close".

[arewethereyet]

73. compared to 20, its unexpected

[sadiesworld]

15. Hmmm...

Drudge pushing Edwards-who'd a thunk it.

[AP]

17. Since when is reporting a number "pushing"?

[sadiesworld]

25. They did it in 2000, they did it with the terminator, and they did it with

Kerry--until Clark was out.

[AP]

27. These numbers are going to be confirmed in a couple hours.

He's not saying Edwards is winning either.

I still don't see how drudge headline is "helping" Edwards.

[tameszu]

46. Depends what you mean by "confirmed"

They've been pretty bad previously.

[AP]

49. By 'confimed' I mean, we'll know who got how many votes and delegates

will be awarded.

[tameszu]

44. Oh, right, Drudge is only "reporting"

numbers without any confirmed source, sample size, MoE, internals, or retrospective accountability.

I do not know if he is pushing Edwards, but given that there is nothing stopping him from advancing any agenda, and Drudge is known for distorting and outright lying to push his agenda, it's not unreasonable to suspect that Drudge is pushing.

[AP]

48. ...he's "reporting" that Kerry is winning.

Bottom line: we'll see the numbers soon enough.

[Skwmom]

16. The Republican push for Edwards continues

which is why they are trying to force Dean from the race.

[atre]

53. Riiiight.....

The Republicans want to run against the man with the best chance of beating them and the one who would have the longest coattails of any of the candidates in the more moderate states.... That makes a lot of sense.

[arcos]

18. DRUDGE Breaking News: New Hampshire Exit Poll: Kerry 36% Dean 31%!!!!! n/t

[Robroy]

19. Just in from Drudge...

the democrats are rumoured to be in collusion with OPEC to keep gas prices up, thus stalling economic recovery and further hindering Bush's chances for a second term. Heard it here first.

[eyesroll]

20. Ugh. This is why real journalists don't report anything other than turnout

this early in the day.

I live in Wisconsin.
I haven't voted yet (I had to work at 7, and I work too far from my polling place to head there during lunch).

I probably won't vote until 6:30 at the earliest (vet appointment right after work). But I will vote. Polls close at 8.

I will be casting my vote for Howard Dean, even though I have been disappointed and hard on him for the last few weeks.

But there's a part of me who wonders if she shouldn't be voting for Edwards, to add to his momentum, because he's my No. 2 choice. (The understanding-how-voting-works-and-how-Drudge-sucks part of me will win, of course.) Early poll reporting just screws up the process.

[stickdog]

31. That's the idea. The media writes the story in advance.

Then you must do your part to make it come true!

[AP]

34. How would you feel if the early exit polls revealed a Dean lead?

Would that be a problem?

The media, so far, has released early exit polls, and would have done it if Dean were winning all the primaries.

[eyesroll]

38. I know. It sucks either way.

I think it's a good idea for the media to poll throughout the day, of course -- because you get different demographics at different times of the day.

But I think reporting on something midway through has the potential to mess with the results. Kind of a Heisenberg Principle corollary.

[stickdog]

47. I would feel that the media sucks runny dog shit. Which they do.

It's not enough that they've been post-morteming Dean for the past week -- now they are reporting he lost at 8 AM and releasing exit polls designed to swing Dean votes to Edwards DURING the voting process.

Do you actually believe that the media's unconscionable actions aren't having a direct effect on this race? Note that I am asking you what you ACTUALLY BELIEVE -- not simply what you'd be inclined to debate.

[tameszu]

65. I have no dog in this race

And I think exit polls, especially sketchy Drudge-reported ones, suck. Period.

[mot78]

21. So if Drudge reports it it's true

Dream on:eyes:

[West Coast Democrat]

24. I didn't realize that Drudge was anti-Kerry before today!!!

Say it isn't so!

[onehandle]

26. Drudge? Who cares? nt

[genius]

29. Like we can believe anything Drudge says. If it's true, that's great

I'm rooting for Edwards even though I'm voting for DK.

[wuushew]

32. just a reminder, this is the face behind the lies....

Applying standard Republican facial algorythms to his visage confirms the presence of pure evil.

[MrBenchley]

33. Consider the source....

[shawmut]

35. don't forget his NH exit polls

when he had a 4 point spread between Kerry and Dean and was way off.

[andym]

37. The early exit polls in TN, had Clark at 15%

The early exit polls in TN, had Clark at 15%, he ended up around 23%,
so MOE is large

[TheDonkey]

39. Don't give drudge any hits

:puke:

he's filth peddling site isn't worth it.

[tameszu]

40. You mean those wonderfully reliable things

that have no source, no sample size, no MoE, no internals of any kind, and no retrospective follow up?

Oh, yeah, and they're from Drudge. Just thought I'm emphasize that.

[oasis]

41. "according to Drudge"?? Why not include "Drudge" in the thread title?

[Lefta Dissenter]

43. Margin of error

92% +/-

[tameszu]

45. Heh

Correction: 92% +/- (9 out of every 10 times Drudge isn't reporting these numbers while snorting coke in his bathroom).

[KittyWampus]

61. 7. You may not post any material from extreme right-wing sources, specific

7. You may not post any material from extreme right-wing sources, specifically WorldNetDaily.com,
Newsmax.com, FreeRepublic.com, and their ilk. Material from more "mainstream" conservative writers or
sources, such as The Washington Times and Fox News, are permitted as long as the post includes a clear
warning about the source. (For example: "WARNING: Please note that this article is written by George
Will.")

[NewYorkerfromMass]

62. "material" is a bit of a stretch here

although Seinfeld has always had good "material". :)

[robsul82]

64. So Drudge is OK now that it's bad news for Dean?

Gotcha! :)

Later.

RJS

[Cuban_Liberal]

67. I pointed that out earlier today, as well.

Ironic, isn't it? ;)

[MoonRiver]

70. If it comes from the gospel Drudge, must be correct!

:eyes:

[Zhade]

75. ARG!

Can we please BAN the use of Drudge as a source? I mean, sheesh! Look at the damage done by the Kerry-intern rumor he pushed. (And I'm no fan of Kerry saying that.)