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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-18-07 01:41 PM Original message |
FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY: SIngle-Payer is NOT Socialized Medicine!!! |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-18-07 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
1. And Both Work Far, Far Better Than The Nonsense We Have (nt) |
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Mz Pip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-18-07 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
2. Excellent definition |
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GeorgeGist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-18-07 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
3. I want my anti-social medicine ... |
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trayted (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-18-07 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
4. In single-payer, the government provides the "coverage," it does not own the hospitals |
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izzie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-18-07 02:40 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Military med. is socialized and by the way it was always fine with me. |
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trayted (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-18-07 03:21 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Yes, it is. And it's being privatized, which is the problem with it today. With that said |
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izzie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 07:12 AM Response to Reply #7 |
38. I hate to hear that. Any time I hit a private part of it it was bad. |
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FormerDittoHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-18-07 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
6. You were watching the Guiliani "talk" on CSpan, eh? |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-18-07 03:22 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Yeah, I was |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-18-07 03:25 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Ghouliani is such a fool. His solution to the healthcare issue is |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-18-07 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
10. my only concern with this is bad experiences as someone billing govt. |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-18-07 03:37 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. This I can appreciate |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-18-07 03:47 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. yes there are some terrible companies out there |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-18-07 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
13. Like the GOP, the DLC Democrats are in the back pocket of the Health Insurance Industry |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-18-07 04:18 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. I missed that |
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The River (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-18-07 04:38 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Absolutely Right |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-18-07 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
14. it is a lazy mantra recited by lazy people |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-18-07 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
17. Some intelligence, a bit of common sense and desire to know the truth are required to see the |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-18-07 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
18. Single payer cradle to grave is the only HEALTHY insurance |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-18-07 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
19. You got that right. n/t |
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JeffR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-18-07 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
20. Nails it beautifully |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-18-07 07:30 PM Response to Original message |
21. I dunno. |
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ooga booga (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-18-07 07:57 PM Response to Original message |
22. We need to parse the issues here...... |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-18-07 08:05 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. I do not disagree with you |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-18-07 11:36 PM Response to Original message |
24. Most of the elderly have single pay with Medicare.... |
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dugggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-18-07 11:51 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Unfortunately, medicare is projected to run out of funds. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 05:32 AM Response to Reply #26 |
37. That wouldn't be the case if the public could get its hands on the money-- |
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dugggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 10:13 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Medicare payments have nothing to do with private insurers! |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 06:48 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Medicare could be fully finded with the money now wasted on private insurance n/t |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-21-07 04:28 AM Response to Reply #39 |
46. I'd call displacing 1-2 million farmers a lot worse than things were in the old days n/t |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 06:38 PM Response to Reply #26 |
41. It will only run out of funding if they stop funding the program... |
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dugggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-18-07 11:48 PM Response to Original message |
25. What happens if the "single payer" does not have enough funds to pay |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-18-07 11:55 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. We always have funds for war and war machinery |
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dugggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 12:22 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Medicare (single payer) was in trouble before Iraq war |
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sutz12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 12:27 AM Response to Reply #25 |
31. We are already rationing healthcare... |
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dugggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 12:32 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. You are correct! So, the majority will then have rationing along with |
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area51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 11:10 AM Response to Reply #32 |
40. You're missing a point. |
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dugggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 06:51 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. In my 47 years in USA, there was not a single incident when I was rationed |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 12:16 AM Response to Original message |
28. Socialized medicine would likely be as bad as socialized roads and fire departments |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 12:25 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. First of all |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 12:41 AM Response to Reply #30 |
34. You are right in that, and at the tactical level that is about all that can be done. |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 12:47 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Oh, I agree with you on that principle |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 01:07 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Exactly. My comments were intended as more of a |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 07:04 PM Response to Original message |
44. Socialized Medicine != Socialized Health Care |
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Progressive Friend (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
45. France also has the best medical system in the world |
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itcfish (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-21-07 07:18 AM Response to Original message |
47. Exactly |
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