Obama hits back on charge of inexperience

[Colobo]

Obama said Clinton and other candidates appeared experienced because they were just saying what is traditionally expected of a candidate.

"There is, not just with Senator Clinton, but with a lot of my opponents, a premium on reciting the conventional wisdom in Washington and that's what passes for experience -- how well you do that," Obama told reporters during a five-day tour of Iowa.

"My argument in this race is, it's that kind of rote approach to foreign policy that led a lot of people who should have known better to get into Iraq," he said. "It is an approach that we have to change in a much more far-reaching fashion."
In Council Bluffs and Atlantic, Obama received standing ovations for his calls for change. Each time, he also noted that he is called inexperienced.

"When people say experience, what they're really saying is -- do you have good judgment?" he said. Former Defense Secretary "Donald Rumsfeld and (Vice President) Dick Cheney have a lot of experience, but they didn't have a lot of good judgment when it came to foreign policy. Part of what I offer is good judgment."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070816/pl_nm/usa_politics_obama_dc

We all need to vote for this man in the primaries.

[MADem]

1. I just saw his WIFE giving a speech on tee vee. She's VERY impressive.

She should have gone into politics--she can give a speech incredibly well--she's mesmerizing.

I'm still undecided, and I've got all the time in the world to make up my mind. I won't be hurried, but I did like his wife!!!!

[Colobo]

2. Vote for him, and she will be ready to run in 2016!

LOL!

[MADem]

3. Nope. Not saying I won't, but I am not committing to a candidate yet.

I really like the "Top Three"--I find something dynamic in all of them. I also like the stragglers, just because they're making it interesting.

If Gore gets in, I'm going with him. But other than that, I'm keeping my options WIDE open. I'm just not in a hurry this year.

[Colobo]

5. Take your time. I'm confident Obama will win your vote, though.

[MADem]

7. His wife is a really good public speaker. What an asset.

Usually, they have to grab the spouse, and do a total rework on 'em--clothes, hair, posture, public speaking, you name it. There are a few that haven't needed that, but many do.

She's ready for her close-up, and she can deliver a speech like a real pro. Riveting.

[emilyg]

9. Granny here

Clinton-Obama makes my heart beat stronger.

[MADem]

41. That IS an unbeatable ticket, IMO. nt

[AtomicKitten]

11. Michelle really was spot on when she talked about fear.

[democratsin08]

4. he needs to stop the stupid statements

he is very inexperienced

[ariesgem]

6. Care to elaborate in detail as to why you think he's inexperience ?

You're starting to sound like a parrot.

[Name removed]

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[Tellurian]

10. Why do you have to stoop so low to malign me behind my back..

using my name in an underhanded personal attack; when you can just as easily respond in the proper way to one of my posts?

It must really irritate you that I do not fall down on my knees in adoration of the inexperienced Obama? I'm not looking for Hope because I already possess it. I'm not looking for a fresh face, because the man selling that idea, lacks the gravitas to ascend the highest office in the land. Obama hasn't earned that privilege or my confidence to have earned my vote.

Just look at how he's changed you. When you first came here you were a kind and gentle, understanding person... Some one who we could have fun with...and at times a "real" conversation.. Now look at you.. Always roaming the threads ready to defend to the death if you have to, Obama's mantra. If Obama can't stand on his own, what kind of president will he make?

Sure, I defend Hillary, she's earned my defense. She's the real deal. She can beat the GOP at their own Game! I don't see that happening with Obama. He is already getting beaten to a pulp by the Right Wingers and we haven't even started yet... Did he come out swinging against Romney's insulting comments? I haven't heard a peep from him in his own defense or him delivering a RW zinger to put a Stop to the nasty comments.

Nope, he's been diligently attacking Hillary and making a fool out of himself doing it. Obama is using the same old tools the RW tries so hard to assign to Hillary...I hear it daily on this board..while I think to myself...Jaysus,..all they can come up with is...polarizing, triangulation, Health Care, Bill's missteps, dynasty derision, Bush buddies, corporate whore, the GOP LOVES her, they want her to run... do I have to go on? The sheer stupidity of it all is astounding. Talk about issues why don't you. Don't run for cover saying theres no difference between their policies one day; then the next announce Obama wants to define the difference between himself and Hillary. The whole Obama campaign is starting to sound schizophrenic.

You left us for a short time. Before you left you said, I'm not going to do all the fighting and upsetting friendships..what happened to that Katzencavalier?

[durrrty libby]

12. Hey Tell, you are correct, he demeans you in threads that you don't

post in. He is very, very immature. I understand why he relates to Obama.

[Tellurian]

44. Bizarre behavior for a teacher exposed to young minds..

[ariesgem]

17. No....It's not him/her. Since you have the poster on ignore, I'll give you a hint.

He/she applies any one of these statements without further comment to all things related to Obama:


obama is making too many dumb statements


obama has made SO many dumb statements


obama seems rather empty to me


obama is an empty suit


obama is an inexperienced loose cannon


obama is a war monger


obama's attacks are ripping apart the party :scared:


obama is causing alot of trouble and fracturing the party. we need to rally around mrs clinton.


AND my all time favorite post: GET BEHIND hillary and stop the fighting!:rofl:




Sound familiar? At the very least, he/she can apply a little substance to the disagreement instead of spouting off these silly little smears.

[Colobo]

21. democrats in '08! Ha!

[ariesgem]

23. Bingo!

:rofl:

[FrenchieCat]

24. He's becoming quite a "handful" this Obama guy.......

Not so much the non threatening House Negro some folks were looking for, hey?

[Colobo]

25. LOL! I guess!

[ariesgem]

28. Yup...

I've heard a few folks here label him as "arrogant" or "holier than thou". You know the word 'uppity' is on the tip of their lips.

[Forkboy]

34. democratsin08 never elaborates because there is nothing to elaborate on.

Just endless nonsense.

[maximusveritas]

13. It's quite a weak charge

When you really look at his experience, he's not very different from any of the leading candidates on either side.
Is anyone seriously going to vote against him because he has a couple less years in Washington than the other candidate?
Most people just use the experience charge as an easy excuse to cover up for other reasons not to vote for him.

[Tellurian]

14. Wait until the next debate on Sunday...

See if Obama can decisively win one!

[draft_mario_cuomo]

26. Let me guess: after the debate HRC will go up, Obama down

It happens after every debate. I wonder why? ;)

[Tellurian]

37. Exactly right..dmc..

Hillary's polls will rise another 20 points leaving Obama in single digits.

[TwilightGardener]

15. Agreed--with the possible exception of McCain, none of the top tiers

on either side have an abundance of relevant "experience"--all will have to rely on their advisors and cabinet members for different aspects of the job. I'm looking primarily at someone's vision for the country, how this person has lived his life thus far, how successful this person has been, etc.--not a resume. A LOT of people sound great on paper, but that does not necessarily a leader make.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

16. Obama will never be able to dispel a perception based on his brief political resume

Until 2012 or 2016 when he has more primetime experience under his belt. That said, what he is doing is the best way to mitigate the problem that would be his biggest GE weakness.

[Tellurian]

40. On one of Obama's videos made over the weekend...

Obama bragged of his experience in the Illinois State Senate. He rattled off his achievements passing legislation helping Illinois residents. Mentioning the pride taken in the passage of his Health Care initiative which he said he will get passed as president. Has anyone ever taken a look at his health care pkg? Millions left uninsured and unafordable co pays for the average family of four.

Fresh face, fresh air, don't quit your day job. There are better prospects out there who understand and can deliver their proposals for better Health Care to the benefit of average citizens.

[calteacherguy]

18. He makes an excellent point. He should keep hammering away on it. nt

[FrenchieCat]

19. "Inexperienced" at what, exactly?

Inexperienced at voting "for" a war that should have never been fought! Inexperienced of Not reading the classified NIE that was available for so many to read? Not experienced at having to say "I was wrong"? Inexperienced at standing by your man while he cheats on you? Inexperienced at being a first lady? :eyes:

Well, I think that's a good thing! :thumbsup:

AND FURTHERMORE.....

What experience does one get in the senate that applies to the Presidency? The President's office is an executive position.....while a Senator's position is not.

Far as I'm concerned, experience doesn't mean shit if a lot of it has been experience at making mistakes.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

27. What BO fans don't understand is most voters look at BO's resume without the rose-colored glasses

Here is what most Americans see as Obama's resume:

2 years in the senate

[FrenchieCat]

29. and voters can also see the "Non populist" voting record trail left

by JE with his six years (two of which he was "barely there") in the senate, just 4 short apologies ago.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

31. Only about 5 Obama fans and people obssessed with Hugh Shelton mention that routinely

99% of voters don't cherry pick a few votes to paint Edwards as a fraud. :) After all, this is a guy who finished 2nd last time. Clearly many voters liked him.

[FrenchieCat]

32. Yes, the Press loved John Edwards the last time.......

and they got him to 2nd place; but this time, I'm not as sure.

So you believe that most voters are stupid? I hope so, for the sake of your candidate. :)

[draft_mario_cuomo]

36. Which is why the press gave him zero coverage until Iowa

He did not get a frontpage story on USA Today when he joined the race...Edwards earned 2nd in Iowa on merit and then used that momentum to finish 2nd. Others had a lot of money, a ton of press coverage and wound up doing substantially worse.

Voters are not stupid. Voters just don't obsess over a handful of votes out of the hundreds of votes a legislator casts. 99.9% of people certainly don't obsess over what a guy advising a candidate from his state said about someone he fired. It is no big deal. To others it makes Edwards the devil incarnate. Thankfully, these folks are barely a blip on the netroots let alone nationally.

P.S. Surely you recognize the irony in you painting Edwards as a political opportunist...

[jefferson_dem]

38. Obviously, not as many like him this time...

as like the one with "no experience."

[eweaver155]

43. Plus he casted a vote that should have never been made

[snowbear]

30. Ah.. so your candidate, by having 24 months more time....

And not 8 years as a state senator as U.S. Senator Obama had, is more experienced?

Not that I don't hope that Edwards doesn't win -- it would fine by me if he did.

But are you telling us that Edwards 4 years in the U.S. Senate....

...is more experience than Obama's 10+ total years in politics?


----------

When Edwards was handling trials in a courtroom, Obama was a state senator gaining political experience.

((((( Why in hell do you keep DISSING Obama???? ))))))

Is it something personal about the man?

I noticed you never diss Mrs. Clinton, yet continuously hound Obama.

WHY???

[draft_mario_cuomo]

35. I am not arguing the substance. I am talking about perception

Do you see Edwards trying to "fight back" against being perceived as inexperience? No. Why? He isn't perceived as inexperienced after a full term (6 years) in the senate, a prez run in 03'-04' and a VP run.

[eweaver155]

42. Obama has 10 years experience to Edwards 4

In those four years he had to make one major decision, vote against the Iraq war. He failed on that vote horribly

[Tellurian]

45. Theres no comparison between the experience of a State Senator..

dealing with State Issues and a US Senator dealing with Federal issues. Edwards and Hillary run rings around the inexperienced former state senator from Illinois. Elementary School vs Masters' Program. The void is huge!

[BenDavid]

20. When Obama has to defend his lack of

experience the story is already out that he is in-experienced. All HRC, Edwards, and Biden have to do is sit back and watch him speak and his inexperience will again rear its head.....Just like the issue of Obama being "black enough"....When he is out there trying to convince black folk he is "black enough" then he is showing his inexperience....Yes, because he cannot win that battle....
I do thank you
Ben David

[FrenchieCat]

22. I didn't realize one had to be "Black enough" to be President......

as there has never been a "too Black" or a "not Black enough" President ever!

He doesn't have to convince me of how Black he is......and as a Black person, I doubt he really has to convince other Black folks of this. This must be a myth being brought to you by some White Folks.

[eweaver155]

39. He has just as much experience as Edwards and Hillary.

Hillary has no more experience than Edwards or Obama. She is trying to use her husband's experience. Voters are realizing that. The more Obama and the others put it out there her numbers will come down.


As for as if Obama is black enough. The media put that out there. African Americans have no doubt about Obama's blackness. He will not only win the black vote. It will prove the point, it was the media trying to sway African American voters away from Obama. That is the reason Hillary has starting to try to go after the Hispanic vote, because she realize that African Americans are going to support Obama. As more and more African American voters realize who he is and that he is African American, they will no doubt go into the booth and pull the lever for him.

SNIP
However, Obama grabbed almost 55 percent of the black voters in the state (SC), which is significant because it is unlikely a Democrat will win South Carolina in 2008, but its January Democratic primary is seen as important because it is the first primary state with a significant black population.

Clinton grabbed 29 percent of the black vote, according to the poll.

http://campaignsandelections.com/sc/articles/index.cfm?id=519

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