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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 08:56 PM
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Poll question: Which type of candidate takes the most heat from the corporate media?
Edited on Mon Feb-16-04 08:57 PM by stickdog
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 08:59 PM
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1. The candidate
who is most worthy of receiving negative attention, let's say by having his campaign implode and falling from clear frontrunner to third place also-ran. Just a guess.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:02 PM
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2. And when he WAS the clear front-runner?
Why was he also the clear leader in negative coverage then?
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:53 PM
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12. he was the clear frontrunner
when he was leading in the polls.

He also received plenty of very positive coverage during that time.

You can say it a million times, but Dean's collapse was not instigated by the media. He collapsed... they reported it.

If the media were really trying to help Bush, Kucinich or Sharpton would've gotten MUCH better coverage and Kerry would've gotten much worse.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 10:21 PM
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14. Once again, let's get this straight. Dean took the most abuse of any
candidate when he was the front-runner simply because the front-runner is always highly scrutinized by the media, right?

And now, Dean is taking the most abuse as an also-ran because also rans always get the most negative press, right?

And the media simply reported and let us decide, right?

Like they did during and right after the 2000 election, right? And like they did leading up to and during the Iraq invasion, right?
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 10:27 PM
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15. again...
you can say it a million times, but it doesn't make it true.

You yourself have quoted a report showing Dean got mostly favorable coverage right up until he lost badly in Iowa. I imagine the decline started shortly before then, corresponding closely with his decline in the polls and his slams on the caucus system.

Look... you'll never convince me, and I'll never convince you. You seem to have a need to believe that Dean's failings are everybody's fault but his own. I believe Dean's collapse was inevitable from the outset, because he was an unappealing candidate and that once voters started paying attention, they'd see he was unfit for the job.

His appeal is narrow, as evidenced by his showings in the primaries. I will grant, however, that his appeal is deep among some people. Alas, that doesn't translate into votes. You don't get to vote twice just because you really really REALLY like your candidate.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 10:41 PM
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16. If Dean's Press Was So Wonderful
then how come almost every mainstream story written about him was able used by ABDs to discredit his campaign?
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cryofan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:21 PM
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3. (((sigh))) it's NOT about a particular candidate...it's about ISSUES
Issues that will cause the media to stomp on a candidate:

1. Raising tax rates for high income types. The more you want to raise high income or unearned income tax rates, the more they are against you.

2. If the candidate wants to fund universal health care from taxes, they are against the candidate.

3. Outsourcing and free trade: the more specific your plans to stop it, the more they are against you.

4. immigration: if the candidate wants to lower legal and illegal immigration, the media wants to lower the boom on the candidate.

5. The more specific the candidate is about how to raise the minimum wage, the more the media is against the candidate.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:45 PM
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7. How about media reform & reregulation? How does the media feel about
that?

How do they feel about candidates who are more beholden to the people than they are to corporations?
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:23 PM
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4. The Democratic candidate. eom
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onebigbadwulf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:34 PM
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5. Dean could have been the next FDR if the media
hadn't massacred the poor guy to hell.

Well it's America's own stupidity for buying into. It shall reap what it sews.
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cryofan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:38 PM
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6. But Dean is not even a real liberal
I thought we had already established that Dean is really more of a conservative.

Look at what he was saying BEFORE he started running for president:
read Dean's own words:


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Most of the Democrats in the legislature rebelled against Dean over the budget cuts, and he ended up depending on Republican votes to pass most of his proposals. At the time, a local Vermont newspaper wrote, "The biggest items on Dean’s agenda for next year are likely to provoke more opposition from the Democrats than the Republicans. Nevertheless, Dean said he feels no particular pressure to deliver the goods to his party or to promote the Democratic agenda."15

In the mid-1990s, Dean even aligned himself with the likes of Republican Newt Gingrich on his stance on cutting Medicare. He opined at the time, "The way to balance the budget is for Congress to cut Social Security, move the retirement age to 70, cut defense, Medicare and veterans pensions, while the states cut everything else."16
....
The Rutland Herald described how one protestor, Henrietta Jordan of the Vermont Center for Independent Living, "said it would be much fairer to raise taxes on people with expensive homes and cars, children in private school and a housekeeper at home than to cut programs that helped the 66,000 Vermonters living with disabilities."17 Dean responded callously, brushing off the pleas of Vermont’s most vulnerable by saying, "This seems like sort of the last gasp of the left here."18"
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The rest of this article is here:
http://www.isreview.org/issues/32/dean.shtml
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:48 PM
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9. Yeah, I guess that's why he's "unelectable" & 75% of conservative Dems
have been voting for Kerry!

Right?

You can't accuse Dean of running from his moderate record, but you can sure as hell accuse Kerry of obsfucating his historically (until recently) liberal record.
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anti-NAFTA Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:46 PM
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8. The leftists always take the most heat.
Duh.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:49 PM
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10. Kucinich has been more ignored than derided
although he has been derided, too.
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:49 PM
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11. The candidate who said he would take down the corporate media,
which is what Howard said last fall.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:58 PM
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13. The ones with grassroots origin. Your poll states "most" grassroot
support, implying Dean I assume. Clark was "drafted", I'd call that a grassroots effort.
Not sure about Kucinich or Sharpton origins.
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