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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 05:37 PM
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Edwards open to Obama on a tickey with him
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/08/14/edwardsobama-ticket/
CNN.com - CNN Political Ticker Edwards/Obama ticket? «
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That Is Quite Enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 05:38 PM
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1. Oh man, *that* would be cool.
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Counciltucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 05:40 PM
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2. I'd prefer Wes Clark...
...just to add a military and foreign policy expert to the ticket. But that's just my two cents. I wouldn't turn Obama down.
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 05:41 PM
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3. OH PLEASE Clark flamed out in 04 and was viewed as a nut job
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 06:14 PM
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9. You are way out of line........
Edited on Tue Aug-14-07 06:31 PM by FrenchieCat
Who Viewed Clark as a "nut job"? You and the NeoCons tried, perhaps? Please provide a link on who considered him a nut job and why please....Mr. bigdarryl.

In reference to being "flamed out".......whada mean? His Wespac and Votevet group help us regain a democratic majority Congress as late as 2006...and in fact Jon Tester, our new Democratic Senator from Montana only wanted Wes Clark to come to his state to campaign with him back last November! :shrug:

Here Clark is providing foreign policy ideas for those running who have no clue--via Yearly Kos.....during his Keynote Address last week.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=47289&mesg_id=47289

Here's Clark's New York Times OpEd from August 8, 2007
"Why Terrorists aren't Soldiers"
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/08/opinion/08clark.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Here's a review on that OpEd from a Progressive Foreign Policy publication, The Atlantic:
"This op-ed came out a couple of days ago, but I find the argument from Wesley Clark and Kal Raustiala that terrorists are criminals, not soldiers and deserve to be treated as such has a great deal of merit. There was this fad, post-9/11, for deciding that treating terrorism as a "miltiary" rather than a "law enforcement" problem would constitute getting serious about it, but that's mostly proven to be a huge fiasco.
More....
http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/08/terrorists_are_criminals.php

Mr. bigdarryl, where in the hell are you getting your info from. I'm curious. Considering that you can't even spell T-I-C-K-E-T......What can I say?

(Edited to add a What the fuck smilie.......) :wtf:


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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 06:22 PM
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10. Don't forget Edwards sicked Hugh Shelton on Clark. . .
. . .it wouldn't work. Also, I think given some of the comments coming out of the Edwards camp directed at Obama he'd be likely to take a pass.

I really like the following tickets:

Edwards/Richardson

Obama/Clark

Both work for me.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 06:35 PM
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14. Obama's too Black for Edwards' ticket.....
Edited on Tue Aug-14-07 06:44 PM by FrenchieCat
after all, it is Edwards who feels like he is the only one running who can campaign everywhere, cause he is a White man from the South.....!

http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/2007/06/20/oh-the-places-john-edwards-can-go-how-democrats-underestimate-the-south/

http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/2007/06/20/john-edwards-i-wasnt-race-baiting/

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benny05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 07:03 PM
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28. Oh Puleeze , FC
Edited on Tue Aug-14-07 07:03 PM by benny05
You didn't go to Yearly Kos, did you?
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 06:33 PM
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OH PLEASE, the only people pushing "nut job"
were right wing neocons who were scared shitless that Clark was exposing the extent of their PNAC insanity. Take a look at what he was saying back then, it's all been proven to be true.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 06:23 PM
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11. Don't let misinformation fool you, Counciltucky......
Edited on Tue Aug-14-07 06:26 PM by FrenchieCat
It appears that poster who responded to you in reference to Wes Clark with a bunch of vague total negativity has no real clue as to what Wes Clark represents in the realm of the real world.


Wes Clark has a book coming out in September. Should be an interest read, titled: "A Time To Lead"-
Some notables have reviewed it, and none are calling Wes Clark a "Nut Job" or mentions him being "Flamed out". :shrug:

Reviews
http://www.amazon.com/Time-Lead-Duty-Honor-Country/dp/1403984743

Praise for A Time to Lead:

"My friend Wes Clark has written his powerful story of how the promise
of America empowered a young boy, more with patriotism than money, to
become a man, a soldier and a hero. Wes offers us hard-won lessons in
leadership and the value of discipline and determination. Anyone
interested in leadership or improving their own lives should read this
book."--Bill Clinton, former U.S. President

"In the dialogue about America's role in the world, Wesley Clark's voice needs to be heard. His military experience and unique leadership qualities form the foundation of his thinking and have earned him a key role in the Democratic Party. In the personal stories found in this beautifully written book, there are valuable lessons that can be applied to today's dilemmas."
--Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the House

"General Clark adeptly employs his autobiography to convey the meaning and importance of leadership. A Time to Lead teaches essential life-long lessons and principles, and provides keen historical insights into the current state of world affairs. As one of the most successful commanding officers in the U.S. Army, no one is more qualified to teach leadership."
--Harry Reid, U.S. Senate Majority Leader

"In a time when U.S. foreign policy must be adroit for our nation to be safe and successful, its no surprise that leading Democrats have been tapping Wes Clark for advice. A winner-without loss of American life-in Kosovo, and a predictor of the mess in Iraq, Clark's story is a timely reminder that the best way to be tough in the 21st century is to be very, very smart."
--Bill Maher

"Wesley Clark and I shared similar career experiences: both West Point Graduates, we both found ourselves exposed to high-level military and political responsibilities and found our convictions shaped by the administrations we served. A Time To Lead confirms the rewarding benefits of military service at a time when such service is experiencing considerable strain. It also includes a comprehensive description of America’s current national imperatives, which deserve serious consideration."--General Alexander M. Haig, Jr., former Secretary of State

"Wesley Clark is on the path to become a great leader--an FDR or an Eisenhower--and in this book he shows us why: because he understands in depth the crisis America faces, and he remains undaunted. Insightful, passionate, intelligent, and battle-tested, Clark's vision can restore America's leadership in the world."--Eduardo Morgan, former Ambassador to the United States for Panama


"Four-star General Wesley Clark is a true-blue American hero and natural-born military strategist. In his thoughtful new book, A Time to Lead, Clark combines personal anecdote with sharp policy ideas to issue a sensible and uplifting blueprint for our nation's future. A real gem of a book."
--Douglas Brinkley, Professor of History, The Baker Institute; Fellow, Rice University and author of The Great Deluge and The Reagan Diaries

"From his modest beginnings in Arkansas to leading NATO forces to their first victory in war, the story of General Wesley Clark's life is truly inspirational. 'A Time to Lead' teaches us through example that true leadership is moral courage: speaking up for what is right and necessary - without regard to personal risk. Its lessons are a powerful resource for military and civilian leaders facing today's imminent challenges"--Javier Solana, Secretary-General of the European Union

"General Clark has produced a clear and compelling description of what we need to do to defeat terrorism, rebuild our economy and restore our global leadership role. In so doing, this war hero, successful diplomat and brilliant Rhodes Scholar demonstrates exactly the kind of skills, experience and leadership we need to show us the way."--Mario Cuomo, former Governor of New York

"Wesley Clark's life epitomizes the American Dream-successfully overcoming life's obstacles through applied dedication, courage and faith-and the All American Hero, whose deep love for our nation and humanity led to great personal sacrifice and an exemplary career of public service. Wesley Clark's practical vision for a peaceful, prosperous America is one that we can and should embrace."--Donna Brazile, author of Cooking with Grease: Stirring the Pots of American Politics and former campaign manager for Al Gore for President 2000

"Wes Clark has produced a wonderful forward-looking memoir. It uses the inspiring events in his life, both in war and peace, as a springboard to provide lessons for the future. It's a joy to read and a trove of interesting ideas."-- Walter Isaacson, CEO of the Aspen Institute

"Inspirational insights from a gifted leader with a solid grasp of the issues challenging America at home and abroad--a leader with proven talent for motivating people and achieving historic results."--General John Wickham, Army Chief of Staff 1983-1987

"I was fortunate to serve as General Clark’s Deputy in Belgium when he was Supreme Allied Commander and I saw at first hand his masterly handling of events in the Balkans; where by intellect, courage, determination and sheer military skill, he succeeded when none thought this was possible. He established a model for peace and reconstruction, which those involved in Iraq and Afghanistan today can only long for. His book gives a fascinating and very human insight of his unique life experiences which led up to this success, and which have shaped his vision for America and the post cold war Europe. An important book which sheds new light on many of the difficult issues facing those involved in warfighting or peacemaking today." --General Sir Jeremy Mackenzie GCB OBE DL

"Wes Clark has written more than a life story. This is a primer on leadership forged in battle and by decades of experience. I have watched Wes Clark demonstrate exceptional leadership from our teenage years at West Point through Vietnam, the Cold War, Kosovo, politics, marriage and fatherhood. This isn't just a book; it's a manual for leading people and living a good life."--Barry McCaffrey, General, USA (ret.)

"An earnest reflection on war and peace from a commander's unique point of view"--Kirkus

"A combination memoir, patriotic tract, and broadside about contemporary American politics."--Publisher's Weekly
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Progressive Friend Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 06:33 PM
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13. Sorry, but Clark almost started WWIII in Yugoslavia
He should not be called a foreign policy expert.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 06:39 PM
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15. Sure he did, whatever you say........although Clark sure didn't co-sponsor or cheerlead
Edited on Tue Aug-14-07 06:52 PM by FrenchieCat
that blank check bill that DID start the ACTUAL WAR (but then said "sorry" 3 years later.....so it's all ookey)that we are fighting, dying for and spending billions per month......:eyes:
Smear Debunked - "Clark would have started WWIII" http://www.rapidfire-silverbullets.com/2006/10/smear_debunked_clark_would_hav.html

I LIKE YOUR JACKET! WHERE DID YOU GET IT? RUSSIA OR CHECHNYA?




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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 06:48 PM
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16. They're crawling out of the woodwork , aren't they.
How many times will this BS smear have to be debunked?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 06:49 PM
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17. As long as it takes to educate those unaware of facts versus Neocon Myths! n/t
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Progressive Friend Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 06:50 PM
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18. The war against Yugoslavia was criminal, that site simply tries to justify Clark's activities
I suggest reading To Kill a Nation: The Attack on Yugoslavia, by Michael Parenti. Most US citizens have only heard one side of the story (the US government's side of it).
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 06:53 PM
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20. Which war? The one that Wes won under Clinton or the one that Wes "almost" started per Bloody
Edited on Tue Aug-14-07 07:05 PM by FrenchieCat
Sunday British Gen. Jackson, or the one we are fighting right now that John Edwards co-sponsored the blank check bill for? :shrug:

Kosovars looking pretty happy as they name another street after Wes Clark last year--
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/FrenchieCat/36



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Progressive Friend Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 07:00 PM
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25. Yeah, the US "won" in Yugolsavia
Now that country has been completely divided up. Its industry has been privatized and sold off. It still has US/NATO bases occupying it. It was a trial run for the attack on Iraq. The only difference between that war and Iraq, is that the Iraqis have carried out a more determined and armed resistance against the occupation.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 07:07 PM
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29. Actually, the KOSOVO War was a NATO War.......
Edited on Tue Aug-14-07 07:11 PM by FrenchieCat
But let me guess, you don't like Europe either...even if NATO said NO to the IRAQ War.....and NATO is still, to this day....... not in Iraq!


Guess you also enjoyed the 200,000 who died in the Bosnian war....which was also led by Milosovic....the war which was ended by a peace treaty called "The Dayton Peace Accords" which was crafted and negotiated by a small group that included....guess who? Wes Clark!
A Peace Treaty still holding to date.
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Progressive Friend Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 07:24 PM
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30. "NATO" is dominated by the US
I like (both Western and Eastern) Europe and I'd like to see Europe freed from US occupation, there are US military bases all over that continent. We should not have military bases outside of our borders. "NATO", however, is dominated by the US and its main satellite, the UK.

However, just because France and Germany participated in the war in Yugoslavia does not make that war legal. And let us remember that Germany in WWII, in its occupation of Yugoslavia and in collaboration with fascists there, killed nearly one million Serbs, many in concentration camps. Germany had no moral right to ever meddle in Yugoslavia again, after what they participated in during WWII there.

As for the recent charges of genocide in Yugoslavia, all of the main ethnic groups were committing war crimes in the 1990s. The West singled out the Serbs for demonization and dehumanization, to justify an attack on their country.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 07:27 PM
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33. That's your theory........
Edited on Tue Aug-14-07 07:29 PM by FrenchieCat
But if there are U.S. Bases in Europe, don't think that the Europeans are clamoring to get them out....as I don't believe that this is the case.

But what about the dead in Bosnia?

Justifying stopping genocide, no matter who is doing it was a good thing.

Ah...I get it! You are a molosovic fan who believes that the US is simply the boogey man, no matter who is at the helm. There's a few of youse out there, if I recall.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 07:02 PM
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27. Nothing like genocide and ethnic cleansing, eh?
Clinton & Clark did an excellent job managing an impossible situation.

The rest of the world doesn't need to be punished for the hundreds of years of hate between ethnic groups there.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 06:56 PM
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21. Wow-THAT line brings back '04 memories...
of smears against Clark...
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 06:59 PM
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24. A right wing talking point
about Clark, IIRC. Same smear was used by the GOP against Kerry and Gore, too. It killed endorsements for both of them in our local daily corporate newspaper.

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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 06:57 PM
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23. Agree
that would be a good ticket.

Obama just doesn't seem ready yet.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 05:46 PM
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4. I'd happily vote for an Edwards/Obama ticket. n/t
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beastieboy Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 05:46 PM
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5. Maybe he needs to be ahead of Obama before he suggests that.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 06:57 PM
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22. Indeed
:)
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 05:49 PM
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6. This Just In...
I'm open to Bill Gates joining my new software firm.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 06:30 PM
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12. ....
Gates In your dreams, Obama in Edwards'! :rofl:
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 06:04 PM
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7. Oh IS he????
:rofl:
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 06:07 PM
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8. Is Edwards open to taking a math class regarding big vs. smaller numbers?
Obama might offer him a gig at the White House barber shop... um... nah...







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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 06:53 PM
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19. I'm wondering the same thing....
That's funny, really. :D
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 07:01 PM
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26. I don't get the point of this thread. nt
Edited on Tue Aug-14-07 07:05 PM by calteacherguy
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 07:26 PM
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31. um, did I forget to vote in the primary or something?
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