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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 03:28 PM
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The Real Liberal: John Edwards is Third in the Polls, But Don't Count Him Out (Rolling Stone)
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http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/15825410/the_real_liberal">The Real Liberal: John Edwards is Third in the Polls, But Don't Count Him
By Tim Dickinson--Rolling Stone
Friday, August 10, 2007

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John Edwards may rank third in the polls, but his progressive agenda and old-school campaign have given him the edge in the states that count.

If he weren't rich, handsome and so well married, you might feel a little sorry for John Edwards. Never before in the 231-year history of our republic have the inalienable traits that Edwards possesses -- his fair skin and a Y chromosome -- been anything but a prerequisite for presidential politics. Today, his race and gender stand a chance of derailing his campaign altogether. "There's a lot of democrats who would like to make history," says Markos Moulitsas, founder of the influential online forum Daily Kos. "The party is anxious to nominate a black or a woman," agrees Dick Morris, the former adviser to Bill Clinton. "You have to sign off on either of those two options before you even get to voting for Edwards." Indeed, Edwards has been all but eclipsed by the celebrity candidacies of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama: He ranks a distant third in national polls, and his $12 million cash on hand is barely a third of Hillary's and Obama's hauls.

But counting Edwards out would be a big mistake. Flying below the radar, the former vice-presidential candidate is pulling off a feat that Democratic consultants have long considered impossible: staking out the most progressive platform among the viable candidates while preserving an aura of electability. In head-to-head polling against the likes of Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney, Clinton and Obama have managed to post only modest leads. Edwards, by contrast, not only bests every Republican candidate in the race, he trounces them -- by an average of twelve points.

(...)

While Clinton and Obama are running media-age campaigns that focus on big ad buys in delegate-rich states, Edwards is taking a decidedly old-school approach. In a strategy reminiscent of the way Jimmy Carter captured New Hampshire in 1976, Edwards has focused on building grass-roots support in Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina -- the first four Democratic contests, all of which will be held in January. Working out of the national spotlight, he has established a sizable lead in the state where a victory in 2004 effectively clinched John Kerry's nomination. "Edwards could well win Iowa," says James Carville, the former adviser to Bill Clinton. Thanks to his Southern roots and a deep relationship with organized labor, Edwards would then become the candidate to beat in both South Carolina and Nevada -- victories that would establish him as the front-runner a week before the huge "national primary" scheduled for twenty states on February 5th. "If he wins Iowa and New Hampshire," says Chris Lehane, a top strategist for both Kerry and Al Gore, "He'll have such a head of steam he'll be unstoppable."

(...)

The Tonight Show offers Edwards a rare opportunity to move beyond the beauty-shop jokes and lay out something that has received only glancing national attention: his agenda. If you last tuned in to Edwards during the son-of-a-mill-worker days of 2004, the difference in his vision will surprise you. Gone is the cautious centrist groomed by uberconsultant Bob Shrum as a sort of Bill Clinton Lite. For 2008, he has been replaced by what the campaign hopes will play as the Real John Edwards, a shoot-from-the-hip progressive who won't scare away moderates. "Incremental steps don't work," Edwards says today. "We are not in that place in America anymore. We need huge changes. And it's going to require a president and a people who are willing to do some things that may feel dangerous in the short term."

Take global warming: While Clinton spouts happy talk about ethanol and "clean coal," and Obama focuses on a technocratic proposal to lower the "carbon intensity" of auto fuel, Edwards has a plan that would make the Union of Concerned Scientists proud. "We need an eighty percent reduction in greenhouse emissions by 2050," the candidate told Rolling Stone in a wide-ranging interview. "You start by capping carbon emissions in America. Beneath the cap, you auction off the right to emit any greenhouse gases. And you use that money --$30 to $40 billion -- to transform the way we use energy."

Or poverty. Ending deprivation at home -- by making it easier for workers to unionize, raising the minimum wage to $9.50, cracking down on predatory lending, and providing matching funds to help low-income Americans save -- remains the hallmark of his candidacy. But informed by his travels in Africa, Edwards now proposes spending $5 billion a year to educate 100 million children worldwide, improve drinking water and sanitation in developing countries, and slow the ravages of HIV and AIDS.

When he's not echoing Bono and Al Gore, Edwards sounds a bit like Michael Moore. He was the first contender with a plan for universal medical coverage, and his proposal goes further than Obama's by mandating that every American be provided a health plan. And where Clinton would leave a significant troop presence in Iraq indefinitely, Edwards calls for a complete withdrawal. He has issued the most forceful repudiation of Bush's "war" on terror, and in July he proposed a tax hike for wealthy investors.

"Edwards is swinging for the fences," says Peter Leyden, director of the New Politics Institute, a progressive think tank. "He's got strategy reasons for doing that -- he's got to get on the board differently. But given where we are as a country right now, his transformative rhetoric is right on the money."

Such unabashed progressive stances have made Edwards a hit among the party's Netroots activists. His climate-change plan was the runaway favorite in a MoveOn.org straw poll that followed the Live Earth concerts. And in a recent survey of more than 16,000 Democrats on Daily Kos, Edwards emerged as the top choice, registering forty percent support to Obama's twenty-two percent. "Edwards' proposals go the furthest -- they're like the ideal," says Moulitsas of Daily Kos. "Everybody else is playing it so safe it's dreadful."

(...)

Elizabeth Edwards has emerged as the campaign's liaison to the activist base, reaching out to constituencies that the candidate can't court directly. In June, ignoring her husband's nuanced support for civil unions, she openly endorsed gay marriage at San Francisco's pride parade. She also serves as the campaign's chief attack dog. In our couch-side chat at The Tonight Show, she launches a broadside against Clinton, accusing the senator of "not addressing women's issues. Health care is a woman's issue; the face of poverty is a woman's face. Yet she's got nothing on these issues. Where are the programs? They're completely missing."

(...)

To solidify his support in Iowa, Edwards has been quietly crisscrossing the state for the past two years, cultivating local party leaders and dropping in at picnics and ice cream parlors in towns like Tama and Sac City. "He's been campaigning in Iowa ever since 2004," says Gordon Fischer, a stout, goateed Des Moines lawyer who served as the Democratic chair in Iowa in 2004. "He never left." Edwards was the first candidate, on either side of the aisle, with campaign chairs in each of Iowa's ninety-nine counties. The Clinton campaign, by contrast, produced an internal memo that floated the idea of bypassing Iowa altogether and focusing instead on "winning this new national primary" on February 5th.

Iowa plays to Edwards' gifts as a trial lawyer, speaking to small groups in the state's 1,800 precincts. "Coming from North Carolina, he's particularly effective communicating to conservative Democrats in rural Iowa," says Fischer. "He's leading in the polls, and he's got the most superior organization -- head and shoulders above the others." Much of that organization comes from those he calls his "brothers and sisters" in organized labor. Where the failed Gephardt campaign staked its political fortunes in Iowa to the declining industrial unions, Edwards has forged ties to the rapidly expanding unions that represent government and service workers.

Indeed, no Democrat has made a stronger play for union backing than -- Edwards: Since 2004, he has participated in more than 180 labor events -- including a hunger strike for immigrant janitors in Miami -- for twenty different unions. In 2006, while Clinton was burning through $30 million on her shoo-in re-election campaign in New York, Edwards was campaigning for initiatives to increase the minimum wage in six key states. While other candidates have little time for labor-hall rallies -- the PR firm of Clinton's chief strategist, Mark Penn, has actually engaged in union busting -- Edwards has made labor a central element of his anti-poverty campaign. On the stump, he calls collective bargaining the key to "making work pay" and lifting low-wage Americans out of poverty.

"This is a true commitment on his part," says Anna Burger, chair of the labor federation Change to Win. "He was doing this when there were no cameras watching him. We needed a spotlight on workers, and anything he could do to raise their profile, he was willing to do that. His special relationship with labor is forcing the other candidates to play catch-up."

Union support could pay off big in Nevada, where the hotel and service workers in the casinos of Las Vegas and Reno offer Edwards the kind of organizational muscle money can't buy. "The unions are going to own the Nevada caucus," predicts Moulitsas. "It's all about organization. So there's a very strong possibility Edwards will take Iowa and then Nevada. That would give him real momentum going into New Hampshire."

Veteran strategists agree that Edwards will need every bit of it. "As good as his operation is in Iowa, Hillary is as good if not better in New Hampshire," says Lehane. But unlike 2004, when Edwards had only seven organizers on the ground in New Hampshire, he is now deploying forty. Nor is the Granite State a lock for anyone: The candidate who led one recent poll here isn't even a candidate -- it's Al Gore. It requires no great leap to imagine that many would-be Gore supporters will ultimately gravitate to the other white male Southerner with a serious plan for global warming.

(...)

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/15825410/the_real_liberal
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rabidchickens Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 03:33 PM
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1. As a minority
Dont call me racist but it was hard for me to support a White Male with other options avaliable, I mean the modern world has turned into much of the mess it is, due to actions and dominance of white males of the past centuries, but John Edwards is a real progressive, with real good ideas, he would be good for the country.
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 03:47 PM
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4. so you hold the actions of other individuals
against a group at large. Seems like stereotyping to me.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 03:50 PM
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5. You said a mouthful there.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 03:53 PM
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6. Perhaps as the first woman or minority capable of achieving the Presidency they don't feel like they
can take the risk of being more liberal. They already have to fight the inherent racism/sexism of the corporate media. If they were more liberal they'd be swiftblasted from here to forever.

Not that I think Obama and Clinton are secretly more liberal, I don't. But I also think they have to walk a much finer line because of the backasswards political climate in this country.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 04:11 PM
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8. "Don't call me racist but ..."
Nobody's going to call you that. Don't have to. You just admitted it yourself.

Bake
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rabidchickens Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 04:52 PM
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9. you misread me/i misrepresented myself
European colonialism, Imperialism and Western Neo-Imperalism, have made me wary of supporting yet another white-male nominee, yet there are still some politicans that actually care about the interest of the working class, Edwards is one of them

The Labour Party in the 40s that beat Churchill and liberated the Indian subcontinent and began ending European imperalism did great things too, ditto to the great Jimmy Carter.

You can't deny the plight of imperalism/neo-imperalism (which is supported by many democrats who lean right on foreign policy issues)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 05:39 PM
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13. I don't think you're
"racist" and you know who you are.
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musiclawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 05:09 PM
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10. Ignore the smears
I don't know what you are. But I am "brown" and totally get what you are saying. If you ain't black or brown, STFU and let rabidchickens express his viewpoint.
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rabidchickens Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 03:36 AM
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18. thanks musiclawyer
and im from a multi-cultural background, i trace most of my roots to the indian subcontient, but via the West Indies (Trinidad etc) due to the diaspora in the 17th/18th centuries.
And i live in New York City which is obviously a very multi-ethnic area.
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 05:23 PM
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11. Yes, Welcome!
And call me a racist, but I agree, it's someone else's turn to run things for awhile! :)

But I like what Edwards says and am probably going to vote for him. Again.
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 10:43 PM
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17. My first thoughts
after reading the title of the article was something about the last best hope for the "White Male System", which is what I call society. If we frankly want to beat these bastards we need a 'White Male'. I'll bet statistics prove me right.
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rabidchickens Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 03:33 PM
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2. 2x post
Edited on Fri Aug-10-07 03:41 PM by rabidchickens
delete
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 03:44 PM
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3. K & R. And welcome to DU, welcome to DU, rabidchickens! n/t
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 03:55 PM
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7. Kick!!
:kick:
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 05:35 PM
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12. What a bizarre illustration!
:scared:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 09:07 PM
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14. I'll vote for Edwards . . . but mistake re anti-gay marriage position --
Not very enlightened -- and suggests pandering to religious prejudices -- either his or what he thinks is the public's.
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Redneck Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 09:08 PM
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15. Good piece. I hope the author's optimism is warranted.
Edwards was one of my top three last time around and though I eventually voted for Dean I hold a soft spot for Edwards.

It's pretty much down to him and Richards for me at this point.
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cleveramerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 10:26 PM
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16. Regardless of how it turns out for him....
I like the direction he pushes the debate in.
Win or lose I'm glad he's in the race saying the things that he is.
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leaninglib Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 08:45 AM
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19. Well, it is clear to me that Rolling Stone mag should stick to music.
For they surely have a faulty perception of the political landscape.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:11 AM
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20. Even though I'm an Obama supporter....
I still think it's way too early to forecast who will be in the lead come January (or December!).
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:35 AM
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21. Good press for Edwards except for this on "tempering his progressivism with more centrist positions"
Edwards is also careful to temper his progressivism with more centrist positions. Speaking to Rolling Stone, Edwards refused to rule out recommitting U.S. forces to Iraq to halt a genocide, and he even demonized single-payer health care: "Do you think the American people want the same people who responded to Hurricane Katrina to run their health-care system?" On The Tonight Show, Edwards also played it down the center, soft-pedaling global warming and trumpeting his anti-poverty credentials.

Why would Edwards feel the need to demonize single-payer in this way when his own health plan is said to open the door to government run health care--like Medicare, which is both government run and single-payer "socialized" medicine. Disingenuous on his part, I think.
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DemDogs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:51 AM
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22. Insightful
Someone saying that he has what it takes: progressive politics and electability. This is the combination we need. Bravo to Rolling Stone.
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 01:31 PM
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23. Kick (nt).
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