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annxburns Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 04:23 PM
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Why are they still smearing Clark?
Edited on Mon Feb-16-04 04:24 PM by annxburns
Drudge, Hannity, Rush are all trying to blame Clark for the Kerry intern fiasco. Even Tom Oliphant has picked it up. My question is why?

Ceci Connelly, who was KNOWN for her acerbic, nasty coverage of Gore said on Fox News that she talked to every reporter who was there that day and Drudge totally mischaracterized what Clark said. Clark NEVER mentioned an affair.

So why is Drudge et. al. still smearing Clark?

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fromadam Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 04:25 PM
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1. It's what small people do...
...to people who are head and shoulders above them.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 05:13 PM
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29. good answer
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 12:37 PM
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69. Hi fromadam!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 04:25 PM
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2. Fear of a Kerry/Clark ticket
that will beat bush like a bad piece of meat. And cheney, too.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 04:26 PM
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4. jinx :)
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texasmom Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:17 PM
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49. Clark's stature seems only to have risen
since his withdrawal. They're afraid, very afraid...
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 11:08 PM
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60. He's like Obi Wan Kenobi!
Edited on Mon Feb-16-04 11:09 PM by crunchyfrog
"If you kill me I will become more powerful than you could ever imagine."

I hope I remembered that line right.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 06:33 AM
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63. very close
Edited on Tue Feb-17-04 06:34 AM by Jim4Wes
but I think:

"If you destroy me I will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine."

cool meme crunchyfrog
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 07:17 AM
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64. no thats not it either
"If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine."

trust the force :)


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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 07:30 AM
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66. hilarious! love it. n/t
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 04:25 PM
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3. they are afraid of a Kerry/Clark ticket. JMO
Edited on Mon Feb-16-04 04:35 PM by maddezmom
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 04:26 PM
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5. Because they would never admit they lied.
Or that the General pulled one over on them.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 04:28 PM
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6. Because they fear him still
Clark is a possible Veep candidate, & that poses a threat to Smirk/Cheney.

Two war heroes vs Two chicken hawks

Clark/Cheney debate? Priceless!
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Mobius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 11:02 PM
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56. Clark / Cheney debate???
that must make them really scared. I wonder what crap Rove is going to pull out of slimy bag of tricks, next?
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 04:29 PM
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7. They're trying to salvage their hides
and damage Wesley's pride.

They'll be oh-for-two when it's over.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 04:30 PM
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8. what did Oliphant say?
he's one of my favorite pundits, he's usually right on, I'd be surprised he's smearing Clark.

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diplomats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 04:34 PM
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16. Yeah, that would surprise me
Oliphant's a very good columnist.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 05:23 PM
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33. So what did Oliphant say....?
Something good or bad?
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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 04:30 PM
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9. They are trying to split the party
n/t
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SEAburb Donating Member (985 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 04:32 PM
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14. Yes, indeed nt
>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<
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GainesT1958 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 04:31 PM
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10. Apparently they're pretty sure that...
John Kerry is going to name Gen. Clark as his V.P., so, since they still regard him as an "active candidate"--to be part of the ticket-- because of this belief, they're still sliming him. Plus, they see him as a threat--and rightfully so--in future years, as well.

Obviously I'd like nothing better than to prove them right in this prediction of theirs, but whether or not Gen. Clark would be Kerry's running mate, or Secretary of State, rest assured that those lunatics fear him so greatly that they'll use the only thing they know to bring somebody down when all else fails them. Of course, with Gen. Clark, this tactic will fail them, too. As I believe it will with John Kerry this year.

Wes Clark had the goods on them--ALL of them--and that's what makes them nervous. But this year, John Kerry has enough of the "goods" on them to best them, too. I just pray he runs a campaign pro-active enough to best them by a substantial margin.:eyes:

B-)
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 05:35 PM
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34. "Clark had the goods on them--ALL of them--
and that's what makes them nervous" My sentiments exactly!
He had access to much information he can use against them at the right time. Maybe some is top secret amid some would make him sound like a traitor (at least that is what the Admin. would say) if he reveled the information he obviously has. He knows exactly what the Admin. was thinking and doing. That's one of the reasons he left!They have never been so scared of any candidate! Watch them attack him more than Kerry if he runs as VP.
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boxster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 04:31 PM
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11. A better question: why are people on DU still doing the same thing?
I've seen a few snide remarks about him on DU even today.

He dropped out, people. Give it a rest!
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WillyBrandt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 04:33 PM
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15. Clark gets smeared every day on DU
It's unbelievable to me
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 04:38 PM
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21. bad habits are hard to stop
:(
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 04:57 PM
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26. There are some here at DU
who have never accepted the fact that Clark is a Dem.

I think it's his military background, which automatically makes him unacceptable.

And that's my biggest problem with a small group of Dems: a complete
hostility to the military. And I think the party has been hurt by this since the Vietnam era.
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boxster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 06:12 PM
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39. Some of them have been quite open about that being the reason.
Distrust of the military, especially the leadership.

To me, Clark never seemed like the stereotypical military officer, and the argument that he must be a Republican because of his experiences always seemed pretty silly.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:21 PM
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50. They can bash Clark all they want. I know...
what a beautiful and rare human being Clark is. He is a national treasure. He is our true hope of changing things in America.
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HuskerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 10:39 PM
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53. Here Here!
To WES ! :toast:
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 11:13 PM
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61. It's the DU national pastime.
eom.
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poskonig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 04:31 PM
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12. Clark will be the VP
Pre-emptive slime plus a little divide and conquer.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 04:32 PM
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13. UMMMM?
Edited on Mon Feb-16-04 04:32 PM by vadem0557
Because he's a Democrat and the right wingers maybe? Dunno? They don't want the blame for pushing something not true?
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democratreformed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 04:35 PM
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17. Isn't it funny?
They make me wanna pull my hair out.
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funky_bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 04:35 PM
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18. To take the heat off the fact that they SCREWED UP!
You didn't expect them to actually admit they were played, do you?
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 04:35 PM
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19. They don't want to just kill his Candadicy they want to kill him DEAD
what fuckers,

They are trying to get him back for sure for dissin GWB and his gang, calling them out on the war with Iraq. If I'm not mistaken Clark was the first person who had the balls to tell the world the stuff was already planned.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 04:38 PM
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22. Clark said he heard about PNAC at the Pentagon, iirc.... nt
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 04:36 PM
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20. Wish a statement from someone would kill this rumor, too --
and clear up the matter re. Clark.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 04:40 PM
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23. According to p.15 of Media Tenor study, everyone loved Clark
except the Wall St Journal in January.
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LeinesRed Donating Member (735 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 04:45 PM
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25. they are setting Kerry up
for another mythical "flip-flip" or yet another chapter in the "two sides of John Kerry" bullsh*t. He's independent of Clinton but then again he chooses Clinton's man as his VEEP despite "what Clark did..." I can just hear it...
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 04:42 PM
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24. He's still their worst nightmare: VP 2004; President 2012 to 2020.
Mordor will crumble and the age of enlightmenment ensue.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 05:06 PM
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27. Why are they still smearing Clark?
Why are they still smearing Clark on DU?

They have their own motives. :puke:


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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 05:16 PM
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30. Because he scares the shit out of them
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 05:20 PM
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31. Hey can I steal your avatar?
pretty please....sugar on top :)
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 05:44 PM
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37. Oh, honey, please do
Incapsulated :hug: made it. Ain't it grand?

I hope anybody who wants to try it on just goes right the hell ahead. :)
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 05:54 PM
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38. Glorius is the word Ma'am
Edited on Mon Feb-16-04 06:04 PM by Jim4Wes
:)
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HuskerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 11:03 PM
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57. I must remember to thank encapsulated!
FANTASTIC avatar.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 05:11 PM
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28. Simply because...
he's a sorry-ass prick.

No other explanation really needed.

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SonofMass Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 05:23 PM
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32. Oh, come on,
tell us what you really feel.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 05:42 PM
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36.  Sorry...I misunderstood...so self deleted.
Edited on Mon Feb-16-04 06:02 PM by Anti Bush
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 08:46 PM
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44. Huh? Oh, yeah...
I meant Drudge.

Shoulda said they're all sorry-ass pricks.

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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 05:39 PM
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35. Associating some Democrat with the initial "breaking" of this story
was crucial to the strategy of making a smokescreen for Rove to hide behind. And if they could tar someone who is still a threat to be on the ticket, so much the better, the reasoning went.

Any mention of this on RW media includes kneejerk mention of "This story is from the Democrats, folks". They are very close to their RW smear machine being TOTALLY laid bare and the fear is palpable.

What is amazing, is, that right now, this story appears to have been a total fabrication. As such, the fabricators (Rove) would know that the story could not possibly have come to anything, and would at best buy a week's worth of smoke and noise. Perhaps they were just trying to get some breathing room to get out from under Kay/Plame/AWOL. But seems kind of a risky move. Granted, the type of trademark move Rove has made throughout his career with Shrub. And less risky to committing the nation to war under false pretenses for short term political capital.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 06:16 PM
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40. Clark as the VP
They do not want an all military ticket.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:22 PM
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51. That's as scary as it gets for the chickenhawk warmongers.
The undead always fear the light of day.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:25 PM
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52. They plan to smear Kerry as soft on defense, via his..
voting history. Clark removes that. They will not be able to Dukakis-ize Kerry with Clark on the ticket.
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HoosierClarkie Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 06:20 PM
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41. The same reason why
the media blacked him out. FEAR!!!!!
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 06:24 PM
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42. Here is why
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 06:25 PM
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43. Clark continues to question the Captain Codpiece
(thanks to another DUer for that name :-)) and so he scares them. He may or may not be on the ticket but he will continue to speak out. His outspokenness, credentials, and knowledge threaten the Republican lock on the national security issue. I don't think Clark will be the VP, but he will play an important roll exposing the lies of this maladministration. :bounce: He doen't back down and says stuff that very few national Dems can say. Who else questions captain codpiece's actions prior to 9/11 and gets away with it?
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 08:47 PM
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45. Apocalypse Now: "The Horror, the Horror..." - n/t
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 08:49 PM
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46. Why not?
They looked like fools with the Kerry fuck-up, so they tried to pass it off on Clark instead. Anything to avoid responsibility.

And, sure, they think he might be Kerry's VP, so it was worth a shot. Won't work, of course, they already blew their wad.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:06 PM
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47. With every day that goes by , things get stranger and stranger
Tell Drudge, Hannity, Rush, Tom Oliphant or any other wing-dinger that we know a place that has the key ingredient to solving their troubles. A place where they can find the reasons to all that problems that rack there poor overworked brains



http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2380146904&category=45498#ebayphotohosting

Have to snatch up pretty soon though, some other myopic person might need it also
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:17 PM
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48. They fear Clark more than anybody. Because..

Clark knows where the bodies are buried. And they know, Clark has them in his sights.
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hope42mro Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 10:44 PM
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54. He's still a threat. A new, classy, decorated Dem to smear. Yum!
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 10:58 PM
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55. He's on the Kerry team, that's why. n/t
n/t
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 11:06 PM
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58. The repukes still fear him
even though he's out of the race. They probably want to try to drive a wedge between him and Kerry, or to discredit him in such a way that he won't become a powerful voice within the Democratic party.

Anyway, if those guys hate him so much, then I know I've picked a good man to admire.
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #58
71. "I have always felt that a politician is to be judged . . .
. . . by the animosities he excites among his opponents."

Winston Churchill
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 11:06 PM
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59. Here's why
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 11:24 PM
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62. The better you are, the more they smear you.
I like Clark. I'm sure we'll see more great things from him.
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Mobius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 07:25 AM
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65. Please see this thread just posted in the Lounge
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 07:45 AM
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67. They want Clark out of politics (fear). As Chris Mathews said
Edited on Tue Feb-17-04 07:45 AM by TexasSissy
on Hairball, where does this election process go now, "now that we've gotten rid of Clark." Oops, he slipped up and admitted he and other media actively tried to get rid of Clark.
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onebigbadwulf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 07:49 AM
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68. He's out of the spotlight and cant refute it
just like every problem they blame on Clinton, the right will find a liberal scapegoat for everything.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 12:39 PM
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70. Two reasons
Fear and the possibilty of the VP slot.
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