CNN: Clinton agressively working to have Clark be Kerry's VP

[Tinoire]

Looking for more info, not that this is any kind of a surprise...

[sallyseven]

Clark would be a very good vp.

[WillyBrandt]

1. deleted

[okieinpain]

2. now clark vs. chaney would be must see tv.

[RedEarth]

53. LOL....I think the General might cause Cheney to go into hiding again

[jean]

95. Surely the General would be willing to debate at the Undisclosed Location

[Crunchy Frog]

121. Or they could do it by teleconference. n/t

[mcar]

59. Oh, I'd pay to see that one

n/t

[Renew Deal]

113. lol Clark is very good one on one.

That was one of his problems in those 8 way debates. Also with training from the best of the best in the party, he would be great.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

3. Sweet!

I hope it's true.

DTH

[damnyankee2601]

18. You better push your candidate to listen.

I was disappointed when Clark dropped out. His blunt articulation is just what we need to crush the Rove spin machine. There's pretty much nothing Clark says that can be twisted and spun because he's so damn concise. We need him back on TV, front and center.

[Lefta Dissenter]

37. HA,

You say this JUST as I got finished watching the CD of the Smackdown Interview that one of my beloved ClarkieFriends sent to me! (thanks, Jim!) You're damned right we need Clark out there!!!

[Crunchy Frog]

122. He gets more TV time

when he's not running than when he is LOL.

[Tinoire]

23. You were one of the first people who came to mind

This is good news for the Clark people who went to Kerry.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

57. Thanks

I appreciate you thinking of me. :hi:

DTH

[Tinoire]

64. Made me smile. Thanks Dove

Well you did a lot of hard, sincere work on behalf of Clark and that was very impressive. $50,000 dollar fund-raiser (or did I mess up the number?), hundreds of posts, stoic, determined dignified defense. And then on to do the same for Kerry.

Your dedication is commendable and admirable and for you, I am happy. Down-right envious at the same time. Thanks

[HuskerDem]

103. That's a really sweet thing of you to say Tinore

I wish there were more of your sincerity and good will around DU, it would be even better than it is now.

[NV1962]

109. Hear hear! - n/t

[XNASA]

4. Personally, I'd rather have Edwards for VP....

And Clark for SOS......

But hey, that's just me.

[ringmastery]

7. Bill is trying to protect Hillary

If Edwards is Kerry's VP, Edwards would be a huge challenge to Hillary's presidential ambitions, either in 2008 if Kerry loses, or 2012 if he wins.

[BootinUp]

13. I just don't buy into the stalking horse arguments

I think Bill Clinton was a great leader and he wants to see the best ticket for our country. (I am not saying the CNN story is true at this point.)

[diplomats]

16. And Clark wouldn't be?

Even if Edwards isn't VP, he could certainly run in '08 or '12. He's young enough.

[Kahuna]

104. Right. Edwards would be young enough in 2012. But...

unless he takes a prominent place in the administration, he would have been out of politics for a long time.

[LandOLincoln]

17. And Clark wouldn't "be a huge challenge to Hillary's...

presidential ambitions?"

Riiiiiight.

[TennesseeWalker]

32. I don't think Hillary could win.

I think there would have to be a major third party candidate for Hillary to win, whenever she runs. She's way too polarizing, but is really good for fundraising on both sides of the fence.

[wndycty]

11. I'll see you on the 29th and we can discuss. . .

. . .:kick:

[DoYouEverWonder]

27. We still need a democratic senate

How safe is Edwards seat if he needed to be replaced?

[BootinUp]

28. ehh 'bout as safe as any other in Bush Land

Not too safe

[Tansy_Gold]

75. Edwards' Senate term is up this year and he's not running

for re-election to the Senate.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Erskine Bowles running for Edwards' seat? Could be I have my Carolinas mixed up -- wouldn't be the first time!

Because of his age, Edwards presents a better opportunity for a 2012 presidential run from the vice-presidency. As forthright as Clark has been in the debates, he is not the polished insider that's needed to go up against Oily Dick. I'd much rather see an Edwards-Cheney vp debate, with Clark saved for SoS. Then Edwards to move up to Pres nominee in 2012 after 8 years as VP, and a woman VP nominee with him. Maybe one of the Sanchez sisters from CA???


Tansy Gold, daydreaming again

(and editing for typos)

[Kahuna]

105. Edwards will be replaced because he isn't running.

:shrug:

[xultar]

34. Clark would get more Umpf as SOS. n/t

[diplomats]

5. A N.Y. Times article by Todd Purdum a few days ago

on the VP sweepstakes said Clark really wants the job. It also said Kerry may not pick Edwards because he doesn't think he can help him in the South. BTW, I think a Kerry/Clark ticket would kick some serious ass and give Rove headaches with its strong security credentials. Plus, there's a nice geographic balance.

[Tinoire]

19. I can't argue with the tactical reasoning there

Thanks for the tip on the article. Going to go look for it now.

[diplomats]

30. Sorry I don't have a link

but I stumbled across it when I was searching Google news.

[Eurobabe]

38. and the source is the NY POST?!

bird cage liner extraordinaire...don't believe it. Pretty nasty slam against Clark and makes Clinton look like a weenie. It's BS.

http://www.nypost.com/commentary/18024.htm

[Tinoire]

46. NY TIMES - different author

He stated TODD PURDUM from the NY TIMES. What does FREDRIC U. DICKER from the NY POST have to do with this? I'm confused.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

20. if Clark really wants the job then he should have it.

And the enthusiasm I see from the Clarkies is very encouraging. I am all for it.

[atre]

119. Massachusetts/Illinois isn't very geographically balanced, IMO

nm

[LandOLincoln]

123. Cute--but not very. God knows we'd love to claim Wes, but

since he left Illinois at age 4 or 5 and did the rest of his growing up in Arkansas, it'd be a bit of a stretch.

[Cooley Hurd]

6. Wood-rough said Big Dog was "trying to recoup..."

"...his shattered reputation" since his handpicked man (Clark) dropped out.

Swear to God, she said that!!! :grr:

[WillyBrandt]

9. Man, do I fucking hate that g-d s- b-

[diplomats]

10. What an assinine statement

Clinton wants a strong ticket to beat Bush. Duh

[goclark]

14. Go General! Go Clinton!

I'm for VP all the way!

:bounce: :bounce:

[SEAburb]

22. So the rumor has become fact now

Clinton's hand pick candidate my ass. Is that why she has treated Clark so shabbily?

[texasmom]

94. I heard that

and the first thing I thought of was that she was trying to knock Clark *and* Clinton down at the same time. I took what she said, and the way she said it, as a slam at both Clark and the Big Dog and it was aimed at not making either look good.

She's definitely one of the worst on tv.

[BootinUp]

8. Here's hoping

I'll probably get burned again though! :silly: :beer:

[Tinoire]

15. I think my feelings about anything DLC are well-known here

but the comfort would be that certain good Democrats were happy about about it and gotten a man in whom they believed in office. This is said with no bitterness or snittiness- I really hope that team won't disappoint the people who believe in it.

[BootinUp]

25. I hear ya

thanks Tinoire :)

[revcarol]

12. Sicko.

Think Clinton and Gore would be "elder statesmen" of the party? No way, they're just doing their own power plays.

Disgusting.

[goclark]

21. They Are Still Young

Clinton and Gore are still power playing. They are still young and still trying to do the best for our party. I know how you feel because I was mad when Gore came out for Dean. But, I have regrouped and feel that he did what he thought was best at the moment.

[henslee]

85. KerryClark 2004 , Clark/Clinton in 2012?

[HuskerDem]

107. When I wrote to Clark after he dropped out

I told him we would need 16 years of Democrats in the White House to undo all the damage W's done.

[diplomats]

26. First of all, we have no idea if this is true

Second, could you explain whom you'd ike to see as VP? Many Dems think a Kerry/Clark or Kerry/Edwards ticket would be strong. I agree.

[SEAburb]

36. more RW sleaze to spit the party,

some people fall for it every time. The RW sleaze kept Clark from getting the nomination. Now they're trying to keep him off the bottom of the ticket.

[damnyankee2601]

29. Grow up.

What are you going to do, vote for Shrub to spite Clinton and Gore?

And why is it so hard to believe that both of them are just dong their best to crush the Shrub? After all, that's what you're doing (I hope.)

[DoYouEverWonder]

31. Oh please,

At least the Democrats with over 10 candidates and 13 debates gave the American public some say in the matter.

What other option is there? The repugs? Where the elite hand pick their candidate beforehand and the party faithful accept it without question?

[polpilot]

76. hmmm...'where the elite (DLC ?) pick their candidate beforehand.....'

Dean '04...Anti-DLC...Anti-Iraqi War...Anti-Establishment

[LandOLincoln]

41. And you know this how, exactly?

[59millionmorons]

24. Be careful New York Post is equivalent to Drudge

The Radio guy's like Heil Hannity are desperately trying to push the Clinton name into this race.

[diplomats]

33. Didn't realize this was in the N.Y. Post

I will take it with a grain of salt, then. :)

[Tinoire]

56. NY Post? This is CNN. Carville is pumping it up now on Cross-fire n/t

[dave29]

35. Clinton should stop inserting himself

into things

ok bad choice of words

[goclark]

92. Don't Mess With My Bill

Remember that song...

Don't mess with BIll :loveya:

Don't mess with Bill :loveya:

Leave my Billie alone! :loveya:

[The Magistrate]

39. Let Us Hope So, Ma'am!

Sen. Kerry and Gen. Clark would be a damned good ticket to put before the country.

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[NNN0LHI]

40. It would be unbeatable, Sir n/t

[Tinoire]

49. Yep- you were the second DUer who came to mind

Sincere congratulations. My pain is your joy. Somewhere in there, let's hope there's a compromise.

[The Magistrate]

54. That Is Certainly My Desire, Ma'am

Your distress pains me, my friend. It is my earnest conviction that it will be possible to turn to better things once the criminals of the '00 Coup are turned out of power. What is needed is to break the grip of the reactionaries on the Executive and the Congress, and then it will be possible to achieve something. The Party should, indeed, move toward the left, and we need to move the political center to the left. But these things cannot be done in current circumstances. That is certainly to be regreted, but it does not seem to me the strategic situation can be safely ignored. First things first, as they say....

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[Tinoire]

58. Kind words my friend. Thank you

They mean a lot.

I wish so desperately that right now I believed in Clinton & people like Kerry the way I did 3, even 1 year ago.

I would be jumping up for joy with you and I am sincerely envious of the people who can do so. I would give anything to believe what I did back then or at least enough to be able to accept this pragmatically.

Thank you.

(I/P was a lot less stressful!)

[The Magistrate]

61. It Was Indeed, Ma'am

Who knew the old cage-match would turn out a mere live fire exercise for this shooting match?

Be well, my friend!

[Tinoire]

68. LMAO. That it was!

You have no idea how many times, as I was posting, that I would think
"It's a good thing I spent 2 years training in I/P!" I never knew back then that it would serve us so well.

It certainly taught us a lot! It's a pity, a real pity our friend Absynthe isn't here. He would have livened things up lol.

Thank you Sir & peace

[Kitty Kat]

42. Another very good reason WHY not to pick Kerry for Prez

Both folks are pro-war apologists and made for each other, but nobody'll vote for apologists over a pro-war President.

[DoYouEverWonder]

44. Since the repugs

just about made it a criminal act if anyone in Congress dared not to vote for whatever Bu$hler wanted, I think most Americans will be willing to cut Kerry some slack, in order to get the usurper out of the WH.

[Crunchy Frog]

124. It's obvious that you haven't

heard a word that Clark has spoken about the war while campaigning. But that's OK. Clark bashing with unfounded smears is the new DU national sport, and you're already good at it even though you're so new.

Congratulations.:toast:

[bigwillq]

43. I thought I heard this

I dosed off while watching CNN and that I heard this. I knew if I logged on to DU I would find out if it were true.

[nolabels]

45. I like the idea and think it could be a good fit

Yea ha, ride em high, boys and girls

P.S I knew some good news was going to come out today, on Presidents Day, thank goodness a REAL elected president is engineering it

On Edit: Now that little burp is out, just thought I would like to add, nothing really would change except the guard to the gate to the empire, if one could call it that.

You can't go to where you want to go, without starting from where your at, You are HERE--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------but you want to be here, takes a little traveling

P.S. good thing Elad fixed that thing from running off the page :-)

[revcarol]

47. And we're all supposed to be jumping for joy that a man who voted

for the Patriot Act and a man who lobbied for Axciom, the company that enabled CAPPS II, are on the same ticket.

:nuke:

[Tinoire]

52. The eyes that see through the lies.

I'm not happy but we knew this from the start. Should I relink you to one of our discussions from 6 months ago to this effect?

If the object is to win, Edwards was their many. If the object is to continue the rapidly accelerating imperialistic course our country's been on for the last 20 years, then they've got the right ticket with the right seal of approval.

[11cents]

48. Corpo-regime media trying to kill this ticket

...by floating this bogus story.

I think a Kerry-Clark ticket would be very powerful. I think the Party of Filth fears it. It's trying to use its media to kill it by making Clinton look like a would-be puppet-master.

[Tinoire]

55. 11 Cents. Clinton's been pulling the strings in this from the start

Clinton got Carter to pull his endorsement of Dean hours before Carter was supposed to endorse him.

Clinton got the Clark camp to fold by promising Clark a VP slot.

Clinton had his person in Dean's camp trying to prematurely shut it down and sabotage that campaign from the start.

There's more but I'm too discouraged right now.

Here are a couple links. These are old stories. It's not the first time I've posted them here. Many of us caught on to this from the start of the Primaries. Nothing new.

===

FRIENDLY PERSUASION
Former Vermont Gov. Howie Dean traveled to Georgia on Sunday thinking he was getting an endorsement from Jimmy Carter. Instead, Dean got a lesson in humility from a man not known for possessing much of it.
Late last week Dean's staff had been spinning the press in Iowa that a trip to Georgia one day before the caucuses was worth it, especially if it meant getting support from a former Democratic president.

Dean arrived to a warm welcome, some kind words from Carter, and news that the former president had told reporters that he had never extended an invitation to Dean and that the northerner had simply invited himself.

"Governor Dean shows up and everything we thought was planned was now off," says a Dean adviser in New Hampshire. "No endorsement, nothing. It was like we got shivved in the back."

It got worse. Carter also told reporters that he had extended an invitation to Dean's competitor Wesley Clark to come down to spend time with him. It is unclear when Dean's planned coronation by the peanut farmer got crushed, but a Clark staffer in Washington claimed that on Thursday, when word was leaking out about the Dean visit, both Clark and "a very senior friend to the general" made calls to Carter.

Who was the "friend"?

"Let's just say he held the same job as Carter did, but was more successful," says the Clark staffer. "The calls were made to the former president to encourage him not to jump the gun on any endorsements at such a critical time in the campaign. Apparently, President Carter agreed with that assessment."

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=6040

====


CLARK DID WHAT?!
Senior staff to Wesley Clark rose in objection on Wednesday evening and Thursday morning on news from their former candidate that he intended to endorse Sen. John Kerry for the Democratic nomination.
Clark told his senior staff that he had talked to Kerry and that he intended to back his former competitor. Clark never spoke to other Democratic hopefuls Sen. John Edwards and former Vermont Gov. Howie Dean.

Perhaps the most stung by Clark's decision was his senior adviser Chris Lehane, who prior to joining Clark's staff had briefly advised Kerry's campaign.

<snip>

Clark's staff was made up of a number former Bill Clinton adviser and campaign employees, many of whom were led to believe that Clark would stay in the race through Super Tuesday. "It was obvious he wasn't going to win the nomination, but we were given every indication that he was going to stay in this. The timing is just surprising, that's all," says a now former Clark staffer.

Lehane was vocal in his opposition to Clark's endorsement of Kerry, says the former Clark staffer. And some believed that the rumors about alleged Kerry extracurricular activity that hit the Internet on Thursday came from angry Clark staffers seeking to scuttle the endorsement.

<snip>

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=6154

[LandOLincoln]

69. Hold the phone, there, Tinoire! Isn't The American

Spectator a conservative rag?

WTF???

[Tinoire]

72. It was in other sources too. Those were simply the most concise ones

Also, to be honest, the Left does as shoddy a job of reporting on itself as the Right does. Everything they stated in there was corraborated. It also makes total sense and was not written in hind-sight.

[11cents]

71. LOL! Tinoire, you're citing THE AMERICAN SPECTATOR

Think. Think. All the stories about Clinton-as-string-puller start from right-wing/regime sources. Even this Clinton-lobbying-for-Clark-as-VP business started in the NY Post.

(And, BTW, the notion that Jimmy Carter would do Clinton's bidding is just ridiculous. They don't even get along that well, and neither owes the other anything.)

[11cents]

73. I'll repeat; this is just the latest GOP ploy

...to prevent a Kerry-Clark ticket. The Drudge/intern double-smear backfired, so this is plan 2. We really need to be wise to this stuff.

[Tinoire]

74. Please 11 cents. Don't go over-board with the spin. Carville is on TV

right now pumping this up. Kerry & Clark campaign people here at DU have been pushing this meme for a while and the tempo has been increased in the last few days.

Also, the Carter story has been confirmed by people I know at Dean HQs who were on site.

Carter and Clinton are a lot more alike than people like to think.

[LandOLincoln]

82. Clinton and Carter hate each other's guts, for heaven's sake!

Sorry, Tinoire, this is not only tin-hat BS, it's rightwingnut tin-hat BS.

Damn, I never thought to see the Left carrying water for the far Right. Beam me up, Scotty, and the sooner the better...

[Tinoire]

90. Yeah right. Anything unpleasant is right-wing BS lies n/t

[LandOLincoln]

91. With my own ears I have heard Amy Goodman

repeating RW lies about Clark--and adding a few of her own. Now, if that isn't the Left carrying water for the far Right, I don't know what is.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

114. In defense of Amy Goodman, she does amazing anti-neocon work. Daily.

I've heard Amy Goodman on Clark and agreed with her. She ain't a wacko and does lots of fabulous work against this admin. and corporateers and fascism on a daily basis. There's my blanket defense of Amy Goodman.

I've shared quite a few posts with TheMagistrate and billybunter and others about the absolute value of Clark. Some of us see it as mixed. Kerry's,too. Some of us don't like people with blood on their hands with an 'R' or 'D.' The rationale for military actions is complicated and individual responsibilities are too. Lordy, look at Kerry renouncing his own words regarding the Vietnam War. The primaries are still going and criticism of candidates still equals reasoned discourse, a key part of democracy amongst an informed and sharing electorate. I don't understand the 'hands off the guy with a D'-kinda thinking. Yet.

But we live in a political context and even if they are flawed, they are what we've got to offer TV Nation as the next step in governance.

Such are the pragmatics of survival. Kerry winning will mean better court appointments and coat tails in Congress. That's good. It's a step in the right direction with a long, long way to go.

So please don't excoriate those who still espouse absolute values we'd like to see enacted before too much long after this murderous cabal is ousted from our White House. Let's look forward to having candidates that DON'T defend the School of the Americas.

There's a long way to go to having a humane representative government and ideals should not be totally dismissed as 'extravagent.'

[LandOLincoln]

126. Amy Goodman repeated RW lies, and there's simply no excuse for

that kind of sloppy and/or blindly doctrinaire "reporting," I don't give a damn who it is.

Nor do I have much sympathy for people who make blanket condemnations of men who are willing to fight and die for their beliefs. There's honor in that, I truly believe it.

BTW, I never used the word extravagant.



edited because I re-read your post and calmed down a bit. Pax, my friend.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

133. I share your respect for those who act on their convictions. But I wish

they knew when they were being lied to. And what the consequences of their actions might be. That seems to always be concealed from them to get their complicity in the war which they then justify due to their support and involvement. Rather like the lie that the US government represents the people so that they will identify with and defend the government's most heinous actions as if they were defending themselves.

Tobacco companies use the same 'Stockholm Syndrome' technique with their addicted customers who spend their somewhat shortened lives paying $4 a day ransom to their own biochemical attackers. Smokers are told that they choose to smoke so they will defend the practice of slow motion suicide and keep tobacco available.
Tyranny is sold as freedom. Murder is sold as living life to the fullest. It's Orwellian. And highly effective.

And I realize you didn't say that ideals were extravagant. And I agree with you that blanket condemnations of people, complex as they are and in complex situations, is dehumanizing. (But hey- it does satisfy some of the need to vent outrage over the terrible things people do to one another!)

That was, admittedly, me chewing with my mouth open on the topic of how difficult it is to maintain ethical standards in a dangerous 'surviving optional' activity such as war.

That a person would choose to go to war is fraught with paradoxical issues. Can you trust the Commander in Chief? Can you trust intelligence? Can you trust Congress? What if it is an illegal war? What if you have to commit 'official war crimes' to stay alive or because you're ordered to do so? What if the command structure is completely illegitimate? What if you command troops to commit 'official war crimes' in response to the enemy's war crimes or just because this might be effective? What if you commit war crimes, come home to denounce them, and then back track on your denunciation and say there were no war crimes after all and every one should just get over it?

All the above applies to W, Kerry, and Clark.
Disturbing, isn't it?

I've given up on feeling too much relief about a Kerry/Clark win. Only Kucinich is a progressive peace candidate and there doesn't seem to be much of a market for a man like him. That's disturbing, too.

We truly are on the same side.
You might say, we're all OUT of the same boat.

Peace to us all, friend.

[polpilot]

77. That would be the same Clinton who stood with Blair in supporting the war.

2 = 2 = ____.

Pro-war Clinton, pro-war DLC, pro-war Kerry

[Crunchy Frog]

125. Wow! Clinton's penis did all of that?

Now that's one mighty powerful penis.

[HuskerDem]

128. Penetrating all walls of defense, thrusting ever forward

to sow the seeds of conspriracy everywhere.........

IT'S THE AMAZING WONDER PENIS...........

[texasmom]

96. My thoughts, too, 11cents. n/t

[Guava Jelly]

50. Kerry/Clark

oh yeahhhhh!!!
bye bye mr bush :)

[janx]

51. Tinoire, please see my post here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=343830#343929

I'll puke even harder if I have to repost it.

[Tinoire]

60. Well you knew it. I knew it. And the more it was denied, the more apparent

it was.

Sadly, there's nothing illegal about what was done. Just a ruthless election with huge interests at stake that the internet allowed us to see from close up. It sure isn't pretty. And it sure isn't pretty to see the transparent professionals who have been pushing campaign propaganda and trying to kill certain discussions here.

Before the DU & Party purge, I will thank Skinner & the DU admin for not having given in to some of the more fascist demands coming from certain people and allowed the discussions to proceed fairly, as openly as possible and in giving DUers a vote on how we were going to handle discussion during these Primaries. Once again we were outmanouvered but DU and the admin get an A+.

[janx]

65. I have to agree with you there. And I can only hope that

they also see what just happened.

Our ticket was chosen with only 25% of votes being cast.

This is not democracy. I feel literally, physically ill.

[eeyore]

62. This may convince my Repub dad to vote Dem

My dad has never, to my knowledge, voted for a Dem. He was for the war, based on the post-9/11 patriotic ferver, but I think he may be seeing the light. He and I try to stay away from political discussion for the health of the family, but he brought up to me how much he likes Clark a few months back. If bringing Clark in can offset the view of Kerry as being Ted Kennedy in different clothes, then I'm all for it. Anything that would convince my dad to jump ship on BUSHCO would be fantastic. Never thought I'd see the day!

[HuskerDem]

129. My republican mother and republican in laws like Clark too

And will vote Dem if he is on the ticket. The stars make them all fuzzy inside and they are deeply pissed at George.

[MoonRiver]

63. Totally agree with Clinton!

:bounce::toast::bounce:

[NNN0LHI]

67. Could be looking at 16 straight years of the Dem's in the White House?

With the added bonus of Hillary being VP for the last 8 maybe? Hey, I can dream.

Don

[MoonRiver]

83. What a wonderful vision!

But you know, it's seeming more and more like reality. I just sense that the tide has turned. Invading Iraq was the last straw for Americans. Those rightwing neocons showed their cards before the coup was finalized. Their miscalculation may have just saved our country.

[mountainvue]

66. I hope you're right.

[Padraig18]

70. Kerry campaign spokesman just denies the rumor on 'Crossfire'. n/t

[HoosierClarkie]

78. Link please.

:) Or some other information to confirm that this is true. Thanks.

[Tinoire]

79. It was CNN news (TV). Other threads in GD 2004 I think.

I haven't found a written link yet. If I do, will post.

[LostInTheMaise]

80. Why would not Clinton want his wife to be VP or POTUS first?

Knowing how much Bill loves and admires his wife Hillary I would think that he would work for her elevation to President. His unwavering respect and love for her would seem to me to be a guide for him to help her reach the ultimate goal.

[MoonRiver]

84. I think Hillary has made it clear she's not running in 2004. n/t

[LostInTheMaise]

86. Maybe but if she can't try untill 2012 it will be too late

If we ever want a perfect Democrat woman to be President then 2004 or 2008 is the time for it. If a Dem gets it in 2004 then 2008 is out of the question for Hillary. It's real simple math.

[MoonRiver]

88. Maybe she wants to honor her committment to New York?

:shrug: Some things are worth more to principled people than political expediency. I think Hillary is in that category. I, for one, would be disappointed if she did anything less than remain, throughout her elected term, to be the Senator from New York, as she agreed to do.

[LostInTheMaise]

101. Thet very well could be

I just thought that with Bill Clinton's faithful and honest relationship with his trustworthy wife Hillary he might be able to help her win the WH like he did with honesty and integrity.

One can hope that with the perfect leadership of Clinton that we could all be blessed and honored by their continued leadership.

[bicentennial_baby]

81. Why does this make me uneasy?

Oh, I know why...Ugh. I'm going to class and I'm going to think on this for a lil while.

[Piperay]

87. Clarks my man BUT

I still would rather it be Edwards that Kerry picks for VP. I just don't see it as a really good fit, seems unnatural the General being in the no. 2 spot and Edwards seems more southern. I would rather see Clark be Secretary of State or something like that.

[NNN0LHI]

89. Lets face it. Clark or Edwards would both make fine candidates for VP

As far as I am concerned you could flip a coin between the two and I would start celebrating before the coin hit the ground.

Don

[nolabels]

99. Tell that to Dick (*'s puppet master)

Clinton picked a strong running mate in Gore, if one remembers correctly. Gore picked a weaker one (probably cost him). Being No#2, or Second to None. Besides don't they need Edwards to stay in the Senate to shore up the ranks?

[Donna Zen]

93. Don't believe a word of it

The article is not meant to be flattering, in fact, it is meant to make Clinton look like a string puller--something he is to an extent, but not in front of the Post--and Clark look as if he ran a bad campaign. True the campaign failed, but in five months we raised 20 million dollars and rallied 1000 of volunteers. The blog was very successful as well. The campaign fought name recognition and a slew of bad press from the right and from the left.

Here is the only thing we do know. On Wednesday Clark said he would endorse the eventual nom. One would imagine a volley of calls took place over night, including the word that all of his endorsors would be going to Kerry the next day. Since it appeared then and still does that Kerry will be the last person standing within a short time, Clark got it over with. In exchange he got one thing, the pulpit. Clark will traveling on Kerry's behalf to speak on matters of National Security and International Affairs, two subjects which he knows a great deal about. (When he was 31 he was considered one of a handful of experts in the world.)


Clark is more pissed off than anyone here and more than anyone knows, about the war in Iraq. If you are still clinging to some ill informed notion that this is not the case, I would suggest that you carefully read his Senate testimony and if you are still in doubt, then read Perle's statements which follow that testimony when he states: Gen. Clark doesn't seem to advocate a war in Iraq under any circumstances. (para)

For some reason that I cannot understand because I did not live his life, Clark relationship with the Army is one of family. Every death that occurs in the elective, needless, reckless war is a searing pain for this man.

His campaign is over, but he is focused like a laser beam on ending this fucked up war, and this fucked up administration. That is all he needs to know. When you can do good, you should.

__________Axcion__________A letter from Clark's friend:


Truce! I agree that you and I will not be able to have a meeting of minds on this election choice.

I must move on to other matters as I have more tasks at hand and because you don't know me well enough. When I tell you Wes has no personal ambitions, any greed, or a scintilla of avarice, you have no basis to believe or trust me. 
Yet I have known Wes for 40+ years, have borne the brunt of Wes' criticism for acts as mundane as cutting Sunday Services, have heard his response as to why anyone would tell of a marriage when to do so resulted in his being drummed from the Corps, offered Wes a major banking house partnership at age 31 when he was working in the White House and getting less-favorable offers from others, and witnessed Wes staying the course in the military, not for personal gain or fortune, but because we the people and our nation need leaders such as Wes Clark at a time when we seem to have none.  His actions today are for the same reasons alone.

I've not questioned Wes on this latest allegation and won't have the chance before the campaign is decided, but as every other allegation, and those yet to come, are so contrary to Wes' life-long character and actions, it's not a matter of choice for me to believe or not (even as all the others have been proved false), but it is a matter of fact and record that Wes has not a spec of deceit or dishonesty in the fabric of his soul or the ability to exhibit or express anything of the kind. If anything, Wes comes off as an egg-head in the rather straight-forward, precision of his answers (yes, even the first one on his first day when he gave a short-hand response to a question that needed a whole lot more), reactions and responses to those who have dissembled at best and expect others to do the same.

If you can tell me you know John Kerry or any one else as well and can say the same, I'll admit we have a draw and two men are equally unique.

If you can't, and should Wes' message not be heard, should Bush remain where he is after November 2, I pity us all. Wes will move on as he has always, seeking to create security for Gert and now Wes III, but not ever forgetting or even stepping away from service to our nation.

If you've read this far, please don't think I am some old fool; I've been with, seen, and experienced the most incredible life that is Wes Clark's from up close and personal.  He's stayed with me long after I'd disappointed him by my own displays of avarice, cunning, and greed  more times than I care to remember, all of which are so incredibly absent from his being.

Wes is no savior, far from it. But Wes does have a singularly unique ability that I've seen for all these many years to influence if not direct outcomes that encourage success in others. 

But now I'll rest my case with and allow history to draw its own conclusion

Good luck to us all.

___________

IMHO...these conspiracy rants...the republican mean machine, and virtually every other knee-jerk response to the military, have cost this nation a progressive and honest president. And I say that from contact with those who have known Wes Clark for years.

Advice: Don't believe 99.9% of the shit you read. Clinton didn't do crap one for Clark.

[nolabels]

97. So if you know this much about him, do you think he would accept being....

Kerrys running mate? Some of us nobody's would like to cut to the chase, having capable people on the ticket is as essential as getting rid of *.
I wouldn't think anybody would want something as weak or almost as to replace *, if something happened that was wrong

Don't be bitter because your candidate didn't win the nomination, a lot of peoples candidates probably won't win, its part of the process. I think a lot of people will look at Wes differently from now on, the guy is a gentleman to say the least, and probably above the mess he plunged himself into. He made us all better for it and for that I would like to at least give my thanks (sure hopes he sticks around)

And at any rate, thanks for your post, it helps :-)

On Edit: a little grammer

[mgarretson]

98. Can anyone CONFIRM?

Can anyone confirm this story, one way or the other? There seem to be two sources: The NY Post (http://www.nypost.com/commentary/18024.htm) and CNN's Cross Fire. Can anyone provide a link to the CNN source (a transcript of the show, possibly?)?

Thanks All,


From Clark Country,
I'm another Clarkie for Kerry!

[mgarretson]

100. CNN Quote and Link

Hello All,
From the Cross Fire transcript:

"CARVILLE: It's time for "Rapid Fire," which goes by even faster than a lap at the Daytona 500. So, we have to ask questions in a hurry.

Our guests are former RNC Communications Director Cliff May and Kerry senior adviser and counselor Greg Craig.

NOVAK: Greg Craig, "The New York Post" reports that your former boss," Bill Clinton is putting pressure on the Kerry campaign to put General Clark on as the running mate with John Kerry, true or false? CRAIG: False. There's a lot of good people out there. Wes Clark is one of them. President Clinton will support whoever is on the ticket, I'm sure. "

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0402/16/cf.00.html

You gotta love it when garbage in one rag is news in the next. But anything's possible when Novak reports it, even if it's illegal and unethical. :puke: on Robert Novak!

Let's hope Clark still has a shot at VP folks... It'd truly be a dream team.

Cheers,


From Clark Country,
I'm Another Clarkie for Kerry!

[HuskerDem]

102. WAHOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GO BIG DOG !

[BootinUp]

106. Yep, gawd its going to be tense waitin though

yeeeeeaaaaaaarrrrrrgrggggghhhhh!

We want to parteee :party:


:beer:

[HuskerDem]

110. I hope Kerry announces his VP as soon as the math shows his

nominations is REALLY sealed up. That way we can get down to business for real against that sock puppet in the White House.

[Renew Deal]

112. I have heard that is possible.

It would give the Dems the advatnage of having 2 guys hitting the pukes and fundraising. Clark is a good fundraiser.

[HuskerDem]

117. And so are we

his grassroots fundraising machine would be a tremendous asset.

[Catherine Vincent]

108. Nothing wrong with that!

ABB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LeinesRed]

111. Charlie Rangel

just asked Hannity, "Do you guys just make this stuff up?"
when posed this scenario in question form.

[HuskerDem]

131. I LOVE Charlie

He's top notch. You know he wanted to use a different s word there. :bounce:

[anti-NAFTA]

115. I thought the "Clinton is running Clark's campaign" meme was FAUX.

I guess truth is stranger than fiction.

[Shanty Oilish]

116. Source is Post editor F. U. Dicker...

Apparently a real human...writes for conservative fishwrappers.

"For the past nine years, Dicker has been state editor of The New York Post. He hosts his own daily radio show on WROW-AM, Live from the State Capitol with Fred Dicker. A frequent guest of radio and television news shows in New York City, he has recently appeared on the national news programs CNN's Crossfire and CNBC's Hardball with Chris Matthews discussing the New York Senate race. Dicker has won many journalism awards, including the prestigious 'Gold Typewriter' prize of the New York Press Club."

http://www.rochester.edu/pr/News/NewsReleases/events/panel.html

[NV1962]

118. That's pure NY Post piddle

Here are a few disgusting samples that illustrate the "company" of the New York Post's article... Please be warned: reader discretion advised - nasty RW stuff in those links!!!

http://www.nypost.com/commentary/18024.htm

http://www.opinioneditorials.com/freedomwriters/stock_20040216.html

http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_5132.shtml

http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/newswire/news2004/0204/021604-kerry.htm

Transparent - very: just by mentioning the words "Clinton" "intern" and "working behind the scenes" they hope to create connections.

Not unlike a subliminal insertion of a few frames in campaign TV ads with a big RATS.

[Crunchy Frog]

120. Yaaay!!!

You've made me so happy Tinoire:hug:

I hope so much that it's true.:bounce:

[Tinoire]

127. We'll see. I just reported from their commerical break fan-fare.

I'll be happy for you if it's true. It's good to see a little joy around this place :)

[Goldberg]

130. That'd be sweet...

two great military service men...and both served their country and never went AWOL. Clark for VP!

[w4rma]

132. I wonder if Edwards's position against free trade is the reason. (n/t)