God this place is depressing!

[ronnykmarshall]

Hell I felt better after the election in 2004!

Shit. To read the posts around here you wouldn't have thought that the Democrats took over the House and Senate. That Bush's ratings are in the shitter. That it looks like every Democratic candidate for President can kick the GOP's candidates in the ass!

NO! It's all about attacking and taking shit about supporters of different candidates. It's all about "oh if ........ doesn't get nominated, I've GONE!"

Shit. I'm fucking hopefull about 2008.

[SaveElmer]

1. Or that polls indicate we will pick up 20 or more seats in the House next year...

Luckily DU is about as representative of the mindset of the average Democrat as George Bush's intelligence is of the average Rhodes Scholar...

[Demeter]

5. Ought to pick up 100

80 in the House, 20 in the Senate, and none of them recent converts, either, only the real thing.

[William769]

8. No truer words spoken!

The left of the left just doesn't get it and they never will.

[The River]

21. What You May Not Know

Sparky is that the "left-left" keeps the "middle-left" and "far right left"
from just drifting further and further to the "right" (where they are now).
Would you rather the "left-left" just vote Green? Thats what will happen
if you don't listen. You are seeing that anger right here and you think we don't get it?
Oh, by European standards the "Left" in the US is considered right of center.

[PassingFair]

28. What the HELL difference does it make HOW many seats we pick up...

when the idiots vote like REPUBLICANS?

[Spiffarino]

29. Fucking A. n/t

[HughMoran]

40. All DEMS voted like Republicans?

...or are you just posting inflamed rhetoric just to make people depressed & angry?

[PassingFair]

41. No, just the 40 who voted to give THIS guy:

the power to watch me type and listen to me talk.

But, I don't want to make you depressed or angry.

Don't you have a cocktail party to attend, or something to
DISTRACT you?

Sorry to bring you down.

[HughMoran]

42. I'm pissed at those 41 skumbags

...but smearing the entire Democratic party after I watched their impassioned arguments against this bill is not a reasonable thing to do.

Neither is making the pessimistic assumption that 20+ new Dems will all be Blue Dog traitors. Also consider that a Dem President will not veto a bill that has the proper protections. The dim-bulb in the WH would have vetoed the bill the real Dems wanted, so we are still kinda screwed right now.

[PassingFair]

45. They should be publicly excoriated!

This is unacceptable.

If the dems expect the backing of the people,
then they had better SPEAK UP.

They (blue dogs/dlc)deserve to be tarred with the republicans
they vote with.

Don't think a lot of them aren't laying low right now,
because the spotlight is shining on them, either.

Flipping over the rock at the DLC turned up some abandoned
dirt this week, the bugs KNOW that we are shining our
flashlights around, or that vote probably would have been
even MORE egregiously anti-constitutional.

[ProudDad]

49. Why did the god damn dems

allow ANY bill to be brought to a vote...

Are they that cowardly???

"Dem President will not veto a bill that has the proper protections."

A REAL Dem President would end the fucking phony "war on terror" in a heartbeat!!!! Not make it worse!!!

[HughMoran]

68. The "explanation" is that if by some stroke of bad luck something were

to happen during the break, they would never hear the end of it. They gave it 6 mo. during which time they are supposedly going to really hash out how this spying issue should be handled going forward. If you think a Dem President by the name of Hillary Clinton will end the "war on terror" in a heartbeat, you may find yourself dissapointed.

[autorank]

2. It all depends on how you look at it.

Seriously;)

[BootinUp]

3. I agree

I have little time to read DU these days but that fact hasn't bothered me of late. lol.

[ronnykmarshall]

7. I agree Jim

As much as I love DU and I'll still post here .... I think that I've lost a lot of respect for people that post here. I'm excited about the future. I think that whoever is our nominee ... we are going to WIN! It's going to be a shit load of hard work to undo the shit that fucking piece of shit has done. AND it's not going to be easy. We won a great victory in 2006 .... why the hell all all negativity? Shit. In 1992, I KNEW in my heart that Clinton would win. But if I had listened to the people around here back then .... I'd just say "fuck it".

[MissWaverly]

10. this happened after the 2004 election as well

by Monday, the lava will cool and people will be able to pick up and go on, would I like my candidate
to win absolutely, will I be more likely to trust and support a dem candidate over a republican
candidate, absolutely, I have a lot of hope right now as well.

[terrya]

4. Good post

I agree with you.

[ronnykmarshall]

11. Thanks babe!

And I'll be damned if I'm gonna throw some lame ass "Good bye" bullshit thread.

I love this place. Some of people make me want to puke, but I don't hate them.


We ARE going to WIN in 2008. The shit is going to be taken care of. It will take some time, BUT it's gonna happen. You can't reverse 6 years of that pile of shit overnite.

[terrya]

14. Of course we're going to win in 2008

I really don't think after 8 years of this nightmare the American people are going to turn to the DA on "Law and Order". Give me a fucking break. :eyes: There are too many problems that need to be addressed...global warming. Getting us out of Iraq. The monsterous amount of debt we've been saddled with. Restoring our credibility and good will around the world. And poll after poll has said that a majority of Americans think that the Democrats will are better suited to deal with those problems.

No, this Congress is not perfect. But as you said...we're not going to overturn the shit of the past 6 years overnight.

There are some good people here.

I'm glad you posted this, hon.

[ronnykmarshall]

16. I love you sweetie!

:loveya:

[emilyg]

22. I agree.

[emilyg]

24. Agree.

:yourock:

[ronnykmarshall]

35. and you rock too!!

:loveya:

To quote President Harry Turman in 1948 .... "We're gonna win this election and make this Republicans like it!".

[LoZoccolo]

6. The worst part about seeing "_____ or I'm gone" is...

...that the person saying it can't seem to think of one single other thing to do to get what they want. They have been reduced to whining manipulatively at other people on an anonymous Internet message board as their last-ditch effort to advance their cause.

Pathetic.

[Clintonista2]

13. My standard reply to "If ___ doesn't win I'm not voting" posts:

Don't let the door hit ya.

[William769]

9. I just blew you a cyber kiss, that should cheer you up!

:)

[ronnykmarshall]

15. I love you baby!

:loveya:

[phillysuse]

12. It is always the darkest

before the dawn.

Have faith.

[ronnykmarshall]

17. Thank you !

I know that things are going to get better.

Regardless who the nominee is in 2008 .... we are going to kick ass. We have a nation to rebuild.

[Virginia Dare]

66. Exactly, the divide and conquer thugs will be out in force...

attack and smear, attack and smear. It will get a lot uglier.

[illinoisprogressive]

18. you lose one battle and give up? hell, just fight harder on the next one.

[ronnykmarshall]

23. I'm not giving up .....

and sweetie ... I hope that you'll still be fighting.

[democrat2thecore]

19. Absolutely! Great post, Ronny...nt

[ronnykmarshall]

25. Thank you ....

You must be in my 'hood!!

Viva SO CAL!

[onenote]

20. yep. Remember when we were celebrating Nick Lampson's victory

and enjoying the fact that a Democrat had captured Tom Delay's seat? Nine months later and Lampson's a "traitor" according to some people here.

Unbelievable.

[ronnykmarshall]

26. No shit ...

I sent major $$$ ... well for me about $100 is major to him. I'm PROUD that he won!!! But god help him that he didn't read the DU rule book. :eyes: We have won SO much in this last year, yet there are people that are not happy unless they can be pissed off.

[Spiffarino]

27. And well it fucking should be!

Yesterday was a watershed moment. The "Blue Dogs" proved themselves to be Republicans by and large.

That's pretty damned depressing.

[Ishoutandscream2]

30. No kidding

Intelligent people just seem to always be depressed, no matter what the situation. The Democrats could be in complete charge, and still we would have some very upset people. Granted, we won't always agree with our reps, but at this point, we need to focus on the positives. We will win in 08, both on the national and local level. That's what keeps me going. The long national nightmare is almost over, and the Democrats will work to make things better. That is my sincere belief. And I wouldn't be a Democrat if I didn't believe that.

[Auntie Bush]

32. I'm a Democrat who believes just like you! nt

[Ishoutandscream2]

34. I mean, we have to believe, right?

I'm not happy with the FISA vote, but I have to keep telling myself that things will get better. If I didn't believe that, I couldn't participate in the political process. I still have faith and hope in the Democratic party.

[Cameron27]

31. It's never depressing when you're here, lol.

You always seem to cause this :spray: ---> when I'm least expecting it!

I'm fucking hopeful too, we're going to done with the bushies one way or the other, and we WILL put a Democrat in the WH. :thumbsup:

[ronnykmarshall]

33. ahhhhh

I'm glad to keep you spitin'!

[Fearless]

36. Well everyone's coming off the November 06 high...

I think we all sort of assumed that everything would be fixed the moment that we won back both the House and the Senate. Well, I guess now we see that some of us were being rather unrealistic. Of course, hope springs eternal... Can't wait for '08

[katmondoo]

37. I came back from a vacation without DU and without news

Started reading DU and became very depressed, now I feel better after reading all of the positive posts on this thread. Thanks

[Fearless]

43. I know it's overused but... LOL

[AZBlue]

38. It's only posts like this that keep me coming back!

:toast:

[saltpoint]

39. Hopeful!? How dare you be hopeful?!?!

It's unheard of.

Unacceptable.

Outrageous.

An affront to Creation!

_____________________

You list some key factors to our improved position from just a year ago. The list is a good one, and there may be even more to add, and the momentum remains in our favor.

I'm optimistic that we gain more seats in both chambers of the next Congress and we win the White House as well, which means before the first term or so of the next president is over, two SCOTUS appointments -- likely moderate-to-liberal -- will secure the judicial branch as well.

O sure it will piss off Sean Hannity, but hey, that's one of the aspects of the job we do best!

Good post. Thank you.

[Fearless]

44. Jeez with all that, how dare you not be hopeful.

I mean, we're just short another 9-11 to get everyone back behind the presidency and completely eliminate Congress all together. Weren't those happy times :sarcasm:

[saltpoint]

51. I'd rather have had my partisan feathers ruffled by Bush doing an

absolutely terrific job at public service than have my sense of my country embarrassed and shamed by his failures at home and abroad.

The man had an opportunity to be the very greatest U.S. leader ever and he destroyed that chance with an assault on Baghdad.

He was warned against it. By millions of people.

And he pigheadedly did it anyway.

I think 08 is ours to lose.

[Fearless]

69. Agreed on all counts...

Although I would debate if a true republican president could ever be the greatest leader this country ever had.

[saltpoint]

70. Good point. After Lincoln, it went decidedly downhill in a hurry.

Grant. Harding. Nixon. Reagan. Bush. The other Bush. Not to mention the pathetic dildo-brains who make up their 08 field.

The GOP needs ore John Danforths and many fewer Tom Tancredos and Tom Coburns and Mel Martinezes. Time for them to dig down deep looking for the Lincoln paradigm, and if they decide it's too much weat and toil, they should disband.

I think the Republicans are about to face very significant losses in both chambers for 08 and certainly the White House.

[Fearless]

71. Well you have to know that...

Republicans used to be liberal and democrats used to be conservative back in the 19th century.

[saltpoint]

72. Yes, the whole ground has shifted in the political parties. All the

famous segregationist Southern governors were Democrats and Abolitionists actually sent pioneer famlies to Kansas to seed the new territory as an anti-Slavery (state).

These days the GOP has to buy Alan Keyes a plane ticket for the Republican primary to pretend that they're "diverse."

[AtomicKitten]

46. don't let it get you down

Engage when you feel like it, hang back when you don't.

Take nothing personally.

2008 is the Democrats to lose. It's been a long-ass time, hasn't it? w00t

[Seabiscuit]

47. I seriously doubt we're reading the same website. n/t

[Name removed]

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[Seabiscuit]

50. If he does, he'll undoubtedly refer to the OP'er as "Sir".

[Forkboy]

52. Yeah,but where else will you find a Godzilla freak like me.

You love it here.Who are you kiddin'? ;)

[ronnykmarshall]

53. It's Godzilla that will unite us all!

[Pawel K]

54. What are you talking about, around here it is assumed there wont even be an election in 08

So why even try to get dems elected, lets just throw up the white flag before the fight even starts. ;-)

I love this place, I pretty much get all my news and information from here. But like with any other web site as open and as large as this one you will get people that disagree big time with each other. Hell, I disagree with the fact the mods here wont allow promotion of Cindy if she runs for congress. But its still the best place around to get up to the date accurate information (if you know how to cut through the bullshit).

[ShortnFiery]

55. Suggestion: *repetitive swearing* doesn't make the situation any better for you or us.

:shrug: IMO, it is unbecoming of such an thoughtful and intelligent person. :hi:

[ronnykmarshall]

58. I like ta' cuss!

Cussin' fun! :silly:

[ShortnFiery]

61. Yes, then by all means.

Enjoy because it reflects less than positively on your heroine, HRC ... I like that ... a lot. ;)

[ronnykmarshall]

65. Oh please.

What a suprise that you turned it around into slap at Hillary.

[terrya]

73. I've used the word "fuck" in the past 6 years more than any time in my life.

And until the admins decide that DU should become some nice, family oriented Disneyfied G-Rated forum, I don't see how anyone using cuss words is anyone's problem.

[madrchsod]

56. i agree with you 100%

things are not always what they seem......

[ShortnFiery]

57. You're right but for different reasons ...

Things are often even more horrific than they seem and in ways we just can't even begin to imagine. Well, those of us who "imagine" are often promptly shut down by the shouting and piling on. ;)

No, IMO, we will have an Republican President in 2009 and a Democratic Congress in the best case scenario.

Worst case scenario: HRC as President with a SOLID Republican Congress => the people are totally screwed. The Executive Branch triangulates right and The People suffer. :(

[buddhamama]

59. take a break as needed

and keep your optimism. :)

[femrap]

60. It's good to hear the optimistic

point of view. BUT (you knew that was coming, right?) I just feel as if our nation is a train headed out of control down into an abyss similar to that of Germany in the '30's.

The one thing that keeps me from despair is that that the American people's polls of W are in the 20's. I just don't understand why the Dems aren't taking advantage of that. Either they are complicit or they have been told that W and the gang WILL arrange for a Fa*se F*ag opperation on our soil...b*ackmail IOW.

With the MSM used as a Propaganda Machine and our people filled with debt, fear, and despair....how will we make our demands for Democracy known?

I can't shake this feeling of Germany in the '30's and that many people are just being 'good' Germans/Americans...I don't think this regime will ever cede power...ever.

I fear for our nation...and I just can't seem to shake that overwhelming feeling of distress. Not impeaching W and Shooter is the biggest mistake we are making.

And of course, I haven't even gone into the Financial Disaster headed our way....which may in fact wake people up and realize that the Fat Cat Corporations and W are the true enemy...however, the 'good' Americans seem more inclined to point their fingers at scapegoats like the immigrants....because the MSM Propaganda machine tells them so.

Enough rambling...I'll try to look on the more positive side. Maybe it's because I'm in Ohio and everyone here is mean and nasty due to our economy...plus the Christian Taliban is here like never before. sigh. and sigh again.

[Pawel K]

67. I understand your concerns but most of these claims of Bush not leaving miss one point

what authority does Bush actually have that eliminates elections and the basic seperation of powers clause in our constitution? And so far I have not gotten a specific answer to this question.

Bush might be illeglaly expending his office's power to the absolute limits but there is only a certain point he can go to. There is nothing he can do to call off the elections in 08, even if he did it wouldn't make any sense for him to do so as if you remember based on the last elections Democrats control both the senate and the house.

The right wing was making these same claims about Clinton in the lead up to the 2000 election. The left wing made the same claims in 04 and then again in 06. It is nothing new, so don't give up before the fight even starts.

[kmla]

62. I'm all hopeful, too.

I have a preferred candidate for the '08 election. I hope that candidate wins.

But if they don't, I'm going to support WHOEVER gets the nomination. Because WHOEVER gets the nomination, it will be a monumental undertaking to undo 8 years of supreme fuck-upperry that has been perpetrated on the American people.

Because it doesn't really matter how much John Edwards spent on a haircut. Or if Hillary wore a blouse that showed cleavage. Or if Barack is having a tiff with another candidate.

OUR candidate is going to need OUR help.

Just my two cents.

[HughBeaumont]

63. You're a great person, but I cannot get behind a Hillary Clinton candidacy.

I cannot do it.

Let's toss aside the IWR vote, which don't get me wrong is a sore spot.

It's her trade position, which you gotta admit isn't exactly worker-friendly. Ohio (especially Cuyahoga County) has bled so many jobs, white and blue collar, due to free-trade policies which she continues to support and make no apologies for supporting. There AREN'T two sides to outsourcing as she has claimed (look to my journal or previous posts, I have links). This practice DOES NOT work for Joe Dayjob; it only benefits the wealthy of the countries involved. She's WRONG on this issue.

And until she starts making a strong stand for worker protections, some compromise in amending the existing lousy trade agreements her husband signed and his friend's (41) administration authored and stands against greedy corporations and the Republicans that run them, I can't get behind that.

It's so important and critical for the future of the youth of this country that economic fairness be stressed as a top priority. You cannot have politicians and leaders keep telling America's young to go into Math and Science and Technology as a career, when the reality is, they'll likely already be priced out of a job when they graduate thanks to cheap offshore labor. Right now we simply don't have fairness or any kind of a plan to amend this course of rotten and it's getting worse. I'm not convinced that a Hillary presidency is going to change that.

[HughBeaumont]

64. Oh and to your other point -

Shit. To read the posts around here you wouldn't have thought that the Democrats took over the House and Senate. That Bush's ratings are in the shitter.

Really, I'm not able to tell. Maybe it's due to the blank checks they gave him on FISA and VietRaq. That isn't the opposition I expected when I voted (D) in 2006. I expected they would take steps to STOPPING the bloodshed and STOPPING the burning of our Constitution.