Is anyone else afraid of the "ski bum" issue if Dean gets the nomination?

[sistersofmercy]

Well, I have to say I could care less whether Dr Dean was a so called "ski bum" working as a dishwasher while allegedly smoking pot during the Vietnam conflict. However, it does frightened me to think what the Rove smear machine would do with this kind of information during the GE. Afterall, bush* was at least in the Guard. Any thought on the matter?

[maxanne]

1. you're right

maude knows we wouldn't want to have a skiier in the White House. A shame Dean didn't learn the sport of brush clearing.

[sistersofmercy]

4. But the crossover votes, swing votes and independents might be lost

in the GE if the skiing issue were hammered over and over by Rove. Also the vets might not come out in droves as projected!

[barbaraann]

2. Wasn't Bush a "honky tonk bum?"

Wasn't he a drunkard until he was 40?

[Duder]

3. No...

I'm more worried about Kerry's alleged lecherous sex scandals with young girls sinking us in the GE, if he gets the nomination.

[janx]

5. Ha! Lots of kids come here to Colorado to work in the resort towns.

They become very proficient skiers and snowboarders. It's a very healthy thing to do.

[Maddy McCall]

8. It's a very healthy thing to do if one is healthy, but if one has back

problems, well, hmmmm.....

[Maddy McCall]

6. unelectability is unelectability, regardless of what the scandal

Whether Dean was stoned and ramping ski jumps with a bad back or whether Kerry has had an alleged affair, either are fodder for the right wing propaganda machine if proven true.

[funky_bug]

9. I think we're the only two that got it, jchild

The intent of the original post seems to have been lost amongst the masses.

[Maddy McCall]

17. ;-) I noticed that.

:hi: WOAWF

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[funky_bug]

29. This isn't the f'in special olympics?

Hey, there ARE days when I might argue with you on THAT point...lol

[lucidmadman]

7. AWOL would NOT be playing if HD was the candidate.

HD's a fine man. If/when he's the candidate I'll vote for him. But, I don't think I'll have to.
AWOL is a sweet card to have in your hand, no?

[pezcore64]

10. okay wow

wow, this coming from a kerry supporter who prolly hates the whole affair deal?!

no , nobody would care. even Kerry smoked the reefer in his youth, and id imagine in vietnam as well. i know id be toking up if i was stuck there. haha.

sorry, i just dont buy the military experience is a requirement for presidents. if that were true, clinton wouldnt have won, let alone had two terms.

[sistersofmercy]

16. Wow, this thread is not about the alleged

intern affair. Clinton wasn't elected during a war it changes things a bit imo.

[pezcore64]

18. just pointing out

that this is about 80 times more rediculous as the kerry affair, if thats possible.

the key part of "Clinton wasn't elected during a war it changes things a bit imo." was the "IN MY OPINION" part. ;)

oh, and we had just had a war, i guess that doesnt count for anything?

[sistersofmercy]

25. ...

I know we had just had a war prior to the election but it was long over before November. All I'm trying to do is make a point that anything can and will be spin. Feel free read what I wrote in the original story thread about Dean.

[pezcore64]

27. i know

and your points well taken, but i highly doubt the american people would have very much interest in whether or not dean went skiing or not. they already know he smoked pot, if theyve payed attention up till this point in the process. heck, all of them admitted pot use at some point in their lives, didnt they? we all know clinton liked the reefer, he just 'didnt inhale' (DEEP ENUFF, ha ha). we all know al gore did too now. good lord, shrub was a coke head, and that still didnt affect his getting elected. the drug issue is mute in this day and age.

[sistersofmercy]

33. Trust me...

if Dean gets the nod the RW will find something to spin, whether it's an exaggeration or just plain planting a lie. It's going to happen to whomever gets the nod. I was just messing around anyway.

[mdmc]

34. Kucinich didn't smoke

he just opposses the drug war! All other Dems are puke on this...

[janx]

11. This is terrible.

[Rose Siding]

12. I'd be more worried about an annulment issue

I wouldn't want to see any obligatory statements from the kids about how it really didn't bother them at all.

[janx]

13. Such an immoral way to live! Aspen of all places!

[Cuban_Liberal]

14. Tit-for-tat post.

Being a ski bum doesn't involve screwing around on your wife which, by definition, an affair DOES. :eyes:

[Maddy McCall]

20. Skiing down icy slopes, slaloming left and right, jumping bumps does

require a good back, though. I have four herniated disks--picking up shoes requires great effort of me when my back is down, and when my back is good, I wouldn't dare go bowling or skiing, because I know the damage it does.

No way would you ski with a bad back. And the RW press will pick this up--"If he was skiing, he didn't have a bad back, and if he didn't have a bad back, he shouldn't have received a deferment."

Just wait...Bush will look like freaking Uncle Sam up beside Dean in the General, which, by the way will never happen if Kerry bows. Edwards will emerge the frontrunner and will be our nominee. So far, only Edwards appears clean and attractive to swing voters.

[maxanne]

15. just think

Howard probably kept his pants on while he was skiing....and appears to have been able to keep them on throughout his entire marital history.

Whether or not the Kerry rumor is true - it will taint his candidacy from this point on. Just like a certain Arkansas governor you might remember.

[janx]

19. We can't have a president who smoked pot in a place like this!

[Maddy McCall]

22. And we can't have a nominee with a bad back doing things like this!

[pezcore64]

23. wow

wow, dean can do ski tricks ?!

he looks so young in that picture!

ha ha.......

yeah....

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[funky_bug]

30. Rove much?

In response to your statement...

"Hung out with Jane Fonda?" The photo was doctored. See Snopes.

"Takes Special Interest Money?" Not near as much as Bush.

"Had Cancer?" HAD cancer. This is a negative for you? That's fucking sick.

"Took Botox?" 1. Prove it. 2. Who fucking cares? He didn't inject baby kittens into his forehead, or rub the blood of slaughetered babies all over his naked body. Jeebus!

"Is so fucking BORING I can't watch him?" Sour grapes.

"Well, I have to say I could care less..." Me thinks you care too much.

"Just asking, because I'd hate to see what Rove may do with this information." On the contrary, me thinks you are dying to see what Rove would do with this disinformation.

[Maddy McCall]

31. =-)

:yourock: today, FreakWife!!

LOL!

[funky_bug]

37. LOL Maybe rockin' too much

Girl, I am taking some HEAT today from the disgruntled masses. Thanks for the props. (Maybe I just need to lay off the caffeine for a bit.)

[maxanne]

39. not as much as Bush?

posted by Wifeof:
""Takes Special Interest Money?" Not near as much as Bush."

Hoo boy - now there's a spirited defense!! :eyes:

If that's the best we can do, we are so screwed.

[funky_bug]

41. With all due respect (whatever that may be)

Is that all ya got? LOL

On Edit: Are you searching out my posts so you can cherry pick something to fire back at me, or are you just a big, big fan? I tell ya, everywhere I post, there you are.

[maxanne]

44. oh, how you flatter yourself

wifeof. You certainly do have fans, but I would not be counted amongst the sycophants. Why so nervous and defensive? Do you think you should be granted some kind of immunity from having your posts questioned?


You should be asking yourself "is that all you got?" Kerry takes more special interest money than anyone in the Senate - and if your only defense of that is "Bush takes more" you have a weak comeback. Since there are so many areas where Kerry is weak, you might want to find a snappier answer.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64727-2004Jan30.html?nav=hptop_tb


http://washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20040207-101902-1785r.htm

[funky_bug]

47. Neither nervous, nor defensive

Merely amused.

[maxanne]

48. whatever you say

Wifeof.

I notice you're still ducking the issue of Kerry taking more money than anyone else in the senate.

[funky_bug]

49. Are you really interested in my viewpoints?

It seems to me that you are not interested in my take on anything, unless you can debunk it. I think you have some weird axe to grind with me, and I don't have time to deal with such childishness.

I'll state my PERSONAL OPINION on this: He's taken more than any other senator? Fine. It's a fact. What is there to "address?" Kerry's total from all contributers is STILL less than Bush's contributions from Enron alone. I'll take the lesser of two evils, AND I'll note that no candidate is perfect. If that gives Kerry the moolah to beat the big dog, then so be it. If his contributions are a reason for you not to like him, that's fine too. We all have our personal preferences, our pet issues, and our doubts about candidates V,W,X,Y & Z.

[maxanne]

50. again,

you flatter yourself - or perhaps you really do believe that when you post a viewpoint you are above being questioned. I don't take anyone's statements as gospel, Wifeof, sorry that's so distressing for you.

However, I congratulate you on finally addressing the question. You don't care that he's on the take - that's all you had to say. Goodonya. :thumbsup:

[funky_bug]

51. Not above being question

just fascinated by your immediate responses to pretty much everything I've posted today. Nonetheless, I am not seeking your "thumbs up" nor do I consider that to be some kind of medal.

I also did not say, "Kerry's on the take." That's your axe to grind, not mine. Other candidates may not be garnering large donations, but their not garnering a lot of votes from the people either.

And in the primaries, it's all about the votes. Kerry's dollars aren't buying him the popular vote now, are they? If you think differently, I implore you to provide a cancelled check proving otherwise.

On Edit: Ah, never mind. It's not worth the moderator warning.

[Maddy McCall]

43. No, the folks who wanted Kerry to be guilty are...

that word you used. ;-)

Looks like no one has been screwed as far as the rumor stated--only screwed folks are the ones who wanted a screwed intern.

Did that make much sense? ;-)

[Beaker]

24. no.

because he won't.

[mountainvue]

28. The Republican

smear machine hadn't even warmed up with candidate Dean. God only knows what else they had on him. We'll never know now.

[mdmc]

32. lol

Thanks sister!
That is the last worry of this Dean supporter!

[sistersofmercy]

35. I'm glad you found it humorous...

that was actually my intent and also to show anything can and will be spin by the RW. But see I felt the same way about the intern story because I knew it wasn't true.

[mdmc]

38. scandals bore me

[HuskerDem]

36. Nothing to be afraid of eom

[sistersofmercy]

40. The Whole Point of This Thread

I was attempting to show that anything can and will be spun during the GE. Each candidate has something about them that the RW will spin with exaggerations and outright lies, it does not make them unelectable. Honestly, I was also attempting a little comic relief. O8) Peace

[Jack_Dawson]

42. Don't think it'll matter much...

if you know what I'm sayin...

[okieinpain]

45. yep, dean supporter hear and that scares me, and so does the

money deal with tippi, and deal with carter, bugs me also.

[sistersofmercy]

46. Thanks for your honesty...

but I was just making the point that anything can be spin. I was also just messing around, an attempt at some comic relief. I believe any of the Dem candidates can and will hammer bush* on domestic and international issues. We are going to frame this debate for the GE not the RW.

[JVS]

52. No. Deferments are completely legitimate.

We wouldn't want our army to be made up of people who are not physically capable of doing the jobs required

[Stuckinthebush]

53. It's now a far-fetched hypothetical

Dean won't get the nomination.

Unfortunately, in my opinion. But...we move on.

It is important that the Democratic nominee be elected in November.

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