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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 03:29 PM Original message |
Axlerod: Obama can win in the South (white Edwards and Hillary? Not so much) |
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jsamuel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
1. Edwards: If you won't vote for Obama because he is black or Hillary because she is a woman, I don't |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 03:32 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Contrast that to the Obama campaign: Vote against Edwards and Hillary because they are white |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 04:34 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. self-delete |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 07:04 PM Response to Reply #2 |
37. Show me where the campaign said that. Link please |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 08:00 PM Response to Reply #2 |
44. thats pure bullshit and you know it. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 09:54 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. He is a politician, right? |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 03:33 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. I was very proud of Edwards when he made that statement. |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 03:34 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Thats the Edwards class showing. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 05:07 PM Response to Reply #1 |
18. BRAVO to Edwards for that (nt) |
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Radicalman (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 05:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
20. I hope the rednecks disregard that statement and vote for Edwards anyway! |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
3. "unlike some of the other candidates, he has enormously high positives and relatively low negatives" |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 03:37 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. And surely playing the race card against white candidates will increase his negatives |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 07:11 PM Response to Reply #7 |
39. link to where Axelrod played a race card. All he did was state facts |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 09:56 PM Response to Reply #39 |
48. Read the OP. Whites live in the South too |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
5. Well I guess now we can add delusional to their list. |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
8. I'll believe that when |
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Grandrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
9. Some of You Hillary/Edwards supporters..... |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 04:36 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Are either touting their gender or race as reasons for voting for them? |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 04:38 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Do you comb every word coming out of the Obama campaign |
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Grandrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 05:07 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. The race card was used not by me..... |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 05:45 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Let's be honest. Race is a factor |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 07:47 PM Response to Reply #9 |
41. I second that. |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
10. Excuse me, but how does this statement mean Obama is "playing the race card"? |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 04:41 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Citing your race as a reason for people to vote for you isn't playing the race card? |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 04:51 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Get it straight: Playing the race card is a fear-based tactic |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 05:01 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. How about the hypotheticals I mentioned in post 14? |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 05:12 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. If you don't see a difference between a white guy who says |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 05:40 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. I see. So when Obama does what JE was wrongly alleged to do it is okay |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 05:44 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. There's no equivalency between black and white "causes" in this country |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 05:51 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Simple question: What would your reaction be to HRC or JE saying that? |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 05:55 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. IF race is the only or primary reason being cited, yes |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 06:01 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Come on |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 07:48 PM Response to Reply #28 |
42. Axelrod was only stating a fact. There are large numbers of African Americans in the South |
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venable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 08:51 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. axelrod is a shill, and he is putting forth a bogus argument IMO |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 09:52 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. There are also a large number of whites in the South |
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beaconess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 06:00 PM Response to Reply #14 |
27. "I am more electable than Obama because I'm white" need not be said - it's considered a given |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 06:02 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Thanks for pointing out the hypocrisy. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 06:05 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. If the Edwards campaign made that argument I would no longer support Edwards |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 07:12 PM Response to Reply #30 |
40. That is bull. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 09:58 PM Response to Reply #40 |
49. Which parts of the post? nt |
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beaconess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 10:11 PM Response to Reply #30 |
55. The Bradley effect is no longer a given |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 10:37 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Let's hope so |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
16. race is being tip-toed over |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 07:04 PM Response to Reply #16 |
36. I don't see a problem with what Axelrod said, not sure it's accurate |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 07:10 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. He's going for it though |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 10:01 PM Response to Reply #38 |
51. Well, there is one candidate in the race who has actually won in a southern red state |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 09:59 PM Response to Reply #36 |
50. What goes around comes around |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-04-07 01:24 AM Response to Reply #50 |
58. pssst |
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MrRobotsHolyOrders (681 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 06:18 PM Response to Original message |
31. Perfect solution |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 06:39 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. they also must wear patches denoting who their "sponsors" are |
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MrRobotsHolyOrders (681 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 06:53 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. But, REAL SPONSORS |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 06:57 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. * |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 10:01 PM Response to Reply #32 |
52. Great cartoon! nt |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
35. There is nothing in there that he said anything about color. Yes, |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 10:04 PM Response to Reply #35 |
53. That cuts both ways |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
43. and something is wrong with that statement because.....? |
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illinoisprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
54. Well, if he can win Idaho (which he is leading) why not the south? |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-03-07 10:38 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. One can make a legit case that Obama could flip some red states |
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