Anyone else afraid the *intern* issue could make Kerry *unelectable*?

[mzmolly]

Now I could give a rats rip about Kerry's personal life as that doesn't effect ones ability to Govern. But, I do care if Kerry is capable of beating Bush once this issue really hits the fan.

And for those that suggest we rally behind Kerry, I suggest you ponder this for a moment. There may be an election bomb shell that damages Kerry with some of his supporters, especially: Veterans Republican crossovers and Independents ...

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2004072203,00.html

"From BRIAN FLYNN
in New York

THE beauty said to have had a fling with presidential hopeful John Kerry has recorded a bombshell tell-all interview."

This matter won't be easilly swept under the rug. Kerry was beating Bush in the polls, but that can change very quickly with a scandal like this.

I can't stick around for too long today, but I wasn't sure if this issue was considered at length. Kerry supporters, you must have concerns? I know I would if it were Dean...

[Atlant]

1. I'm not afraid at all. I'm dead-bang certain.

Atlant

[mzmolly]

9. This whole election smacks too convenient doesn't it?

Another 4 years of * in the making.

[Atlant]

51. I think the problem's that Terry McAuliffe seems to get to keep his job...

I think that the problem is that Terry McAuliffe seems to get to keep
his job whether he wins or loses elections.

And the way this is playing out certainly seems to add credence to
the rumor that certain folks are trying very hard to hold the
Presidency open for an un-named Democrat in '08. Aren't they the
ones that are proping up Mr. McAuliffe, the "Miserable Failure"?

Atlant

[mzmolly]

59. I've heard this before... I don't know honestly?

I think Terry McAuliffe is stepping down after this election (or so I hear) as to who will fill his shoes? Who knows. It doesn't pay anything in terms of $$ but there must be some tangable gain for doing it? Of course I think Dean would be a good replacement provided he doesn't take the nomination ;)

I feel like I'm in the middle of the twilight zone watching this election. It's sureal isn't it?

[Cuban_Liberal]

2. It worries the hell out of me, frankly.

It's just so unneccessary!

[59millionmorons]

3. I would be

If one day Teresa up and leaves him, then I will be concerned. ooops there she is on CSPAN right now. Not worried.

[mzmolly]

8. Well tune into CNN in the fall and see the intern tell her story.

Wether or not Teresa sticks around is not relevant.

[59millionmorons]

14. You could only pray

Since this is the only way Dean would ever have a chance.

[mzmolly]

27. Really?

This isn't about Dean though. It's about John Kerry's shot at *

[Guaranteed]

In the fall?

Might be a tad bit too late then for Dean.

[mzmolly]

67. That's the plan... Wait for Kerry to be the last man standing...

:hi:

[Guaranteed]

48. Whoopsie nt

[Guaranteed]

50. Whoops again nt

[saracat]

26. Excuse me?

Teresa is not relevant? She has her own money, has no political agenda( turned down a Senate seat), is an avid feminist, and would walk right out the door if she even suspected John strayed. Teresa is very relevant. I have interviewed Teresa and seen her take on the RW Press and believe me, she eviscerated them. You don't ever want to even use the word irrelevant in regard to Teresa.

[mzmolly]

30. Teresa is relevant and has helped Mr. Kerry, but her staying with him

or not is not does not make the intern issue go away. That is what my statement was regarding.

My heart goes out to Teresa who I feel is a very good person.

[saracat]

63. Teres'a staying with John

will make the intern issue die because everyone especially those in the Press know she doesn't "have " to stay or Doesn't have her own political career to consider. The relevency of her staying is obvious. Teresa stays, the rumor is a lie. Because she WON'T BS. or cover up.Save your sympathy for the rumor mongers .Teresa will destroy them!

[mzmolly]

77. Hilary (a noted feminist herself) also *stayed* and it didn't make it a

lie :hi:

The implication that strong independent women are incapable of being cheated on, staying with and or believing lying filandering husbands is ridiculous.

[saracat]

128. Hello

Hillary, unlike Teresa, had her own agenda.Teresa was offered a Senate seat ,twice and turned it down. She can never be elected President because she is a naturalized citizen. She has no ambition to protect and doesn't need Kerry financially.Teresa is no Hillary. If Teresa stays, its BS.

[mzmolly]

132. Hilary had an agenda?

:eyes: That says it all right there.

[okieinpain]

49. kerry should drop out now, u know that there is some truth to this.

he should bow out, hell even the hint of this crap is playing to bush's advantage. the only problem now is dean has been trashed, and edwards will be over looked. i guess that leaves hill to save the day.

[still_one]

58. Why does it seem that mostly Dean Supporters push this?

I hate to break the news to you, but the probability is that the Democratic nominee will either be Kerry or Edwards. Whether you like or not that is reality. If you are so upset because your candidate did not get in, then don't vote, but at the same time don't complain about the Bush policies if he gets in for another four years

[mzmolly]

92. This thread isn't about Dean, it's about Kerry's ability or not to beat *

:hi:

I'd rather *push* this issue now, than wait for Rove to do it in October...

[sallyseven]

4. There is no scandal

everyone should understand where the information is coming from. Where is the interview. Right wing Murdock papers?m Get real. He would not do that to his ambition to be president. People who know him say the same thing.

[mzmolly]

21. NO Scandal? I'd say there is one waiting in the wings for convenient

release.

"The channel is sitting on the tape until it has enough evidence to back her story.

If the sex claims are true, they would shatter his White House hopes."

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2004072203,00.html

[BruinAlum]

35. If they have her confession why would they sit on it? It's a bluff!

It's bullshit! There is no damn tape! There's no evidence to back it up because it didn't happen!

You guys are too ANXIOUS to give right wing crap any credibility at all.

[shivaji]

72. Could it be because she has gone away somewhere in Africa?

[polmaven]

78. Sure, and Africa is so remote..

and you know, backward, and you know, its absolutely impossible to reach anybody there, and, you know, the network, whichever one it is, would never air this interview before telling her beforehand, and that is impossible because, you know, Africa is so remote and everything....

[mzmolly]

93. What if it's true? I happen to think it's strange that she gave an

interview at Christmas time saying it was true if it wasn't.

Deny all you want, she said it happened.

[polmaven]

113. So you've seen this interview?

:shrug:

[bowens43]

37. No scandal.

But keep your fingers crossed maybe one will materialize.

[still_one]

53. BS

"sitting on the tape..."

No network would sit on the tape, there is too much publicity in it.

The Sun is operated by Murdock with Kissinger, Perle, and Atkinson on the board.

The Sun is owned by Hollinger Internationl

It is the premier sleeze rag of the UK.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. ONLY if we allow the Cons to set the tone of the debate

this is the hysterical right at its most hysterical... boobs, sex that makes them go nuts... never mind we have lost 530 troops and rising over a lie

So when a con tells you, but he had sex out of wedlock, first remind him that Cons do that too, and then remind him that lying to Congress is wrong, and so far 530 US Troops have died over LIES... and then ask, is this moral?

You will see them quake and do a lot of hums, and aha... and some will still stick to their story... for that they are to be respected... after all boobs and sex are a moral outrage... aka make this a matter of prioroties and just how backwards their priorities are.

It is time to redefine the debate.

Once we do that, the indies will go, well... yuo know what? They are right, this is about an ilegal war, not sex with an intern...

Oh and so far there is no substance to the scandal, Drudge and the Murdoch papers do not make it so.. so this is another line of aproach... they are going hysterical over a non story. That again is an issue... of priorities...

[sadiesworld]

6. I know this story is probably BS, so why does it scare me so much?

[mzmolly]

43. I dont know if it's BS or not, I'll wait to see the interview...

I cant imagine what her motive for lying about this would be?

[The Magistrate]

73. The Problem With that, Ma'am, Is This

You have only the word of a known liar that such an interview exists, and contains what he claims it does.

There is no particular reason to believe this to be the case.

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[The Magistrate]

7. No, Ma'am

There will actually have to be an issue for it to have any effect. All there is now is a good deal of hyperventilation, most of it from persons apparantly desperate to rally the failing efforts of Gov. Dean, and that regardless of the benefit their efforts may lend to the worst elements of reaction in our polity.

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[DoveTurnedHawk]

10. Indeed, and I Find It Fascinating How RW Rags Like "The Sun"

Are now quoted here as if they were holy scripture.

DTH

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[Bucky]

33. I have no Dean avatar and this issue deeply concerns me

No matter how sweet the biscuit, Bush's reelection is something we shouldn't toy with. It's why I didn't support Kucinich or Gephardt or even loose talk about Hillary. I don't like the whispers here one bit and I loathe the timing. But mostly I fear that it's true, and given Kerry's playboy rep, perhaps that it's only the tip of the iceberg. If the man can't keep his pants on and this character flaw hurts our chances in November, we are fools to nominate him. This needs to be gotten at immediately, before Edwards is pushed out of the race. No woman short of Sigourney Weaver is worth losing the presidency over. And this year maybe not even Sigourney is worth it.

[still_one]

62. This is a two man race

I know Dean supporters may not like that because of all the blood, sweat, and tears they expended, but that is reality.

I would not count Edwards out at all. He is building momentum. In fact, if Dean did drop out, and send his support to Edwards, the whole logistics would change.

[funky_bug]

69. You're my friend

And I'll take my lashing with dignity ;)

I'm just feeling a bit defensive these days...lol

[okieinpain]

127. I agree. this is the type of thing that scare's the crap out of me.

now that this young lady has said "nope not me, I didn't even work for him". the so called liberal media will go crazy looking for anything that they can go gotcha on.

I just hope that kerry is man enough to be honest with himself and step down if he knows this kind of trash is laying around out there. because the liberal media will damn sure be digging now till the election.

remember sex, scandal, and murder sells.

[The Magistrate]

41. An Excellent Call, Ma'am

You have summed the matter in a nutshell.

My hat is off to you!

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[goobergunch]

45. Okay

I'll just go and purge myself now because I support Dean.

[funky_bug]

71. Don't purge yourself, just your fear.

Dean doesn't need to take down Kerry to be heard. That's quite obvious.

[goobergunch]

76. My fear of what?

The monied interests taking over American democracy and subverting it into a plutocracy?

Oh wait, that's already happened. Sorry.

Having no real progressive change in the next bunch of years?

That's already happening too. Sorry.

[Name removed]

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[goobergunch]

112. Sorry

I don't feel I need to purge myself of the resentment I feel about our democracy being bought off in a wave of special interests.

Or the resentment I feel about one state effectively deciding the nominee.

[funky_bug]

118. Resentment, in any form is poison to the soul

When one harbours resentment, not only does is cloud one's judgement, it poisons one's soul.

I feel that Dean has not gotten a fair shake in this primary. I have stated that since the beginning of his decline. From the most genuine parts of my heart, I hope you learn to overcome those feelings of anger. I still mourn for the loss of Wes in this race, but I cannot continue feeling angry. Righteous anger is still anger, and eventually you have to move on.

[funky_bug]

87. From you, a highly regarded compliment

Your posts are, to me, a bible of sorts. Whether I agree with them or not, they cut straight to the matter with clarity and purpose. I take this compliment from you, Magistrate, with the highest degree of respect.

[mzmolly]

52. Actually your very wrong. My fear is a genuine fear that Rove and the

RW media will wait for the right time to damage the Democrats.

I dont believe that others don't share that concern for a moment. Anyone in their right mind who isn't aware of what this could to for Bush in the GE, is naive at best IMO.

[Cuban_Liberal]

Support that statement:

"...All there is now is a good deal of hyperventilation, most of it from persons apparantly desperate to rally the failing efforts of Gov. Dean...."

[Name removed]

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[Cuban_Liberal]

22. Once again, support that statement.

I don't generally see it as true.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

23. It's a Statement of Opinion Based on Anecdotal Evidence

Last I checked, Zogby wasn't putting out any polls or statistical analyses of DU rumor-mongering patterns.

:shrug:

DTH

[Cuban_Liberal]

24. The initial statement wasn't.

It was a categorical statement, and an unfair, broad-brush staement about Dean supporters. I remind everyone here that it was Matt Drudge who broke this, not Dr. Dean or his supporters.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

28. It's Obviously His Opinion, and Obviously Based on His Observations

And I don't think anyone is required to pepper their prose with mealy-mouthed "IMO" qualifiers in order to forward a proposition.

DTH

[Cuban_Liberal]

34. Well, I have an opinion, too.

My opinion is that the only people shrilly saying 'Nothing to see here, move along!' are mostly Kerry supporters, who are crossing their fingers and HOPING that it isn't true--- based strictly on my personal observations, of course.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

39. Feel Free

You have every right to express your opinions, as do I and The Magistrate.

My own perception is that many intelligent people recognize this nonsense exactly for what it is: a pathetic RW effort to smear the presumptive nominee of our party. Many intelligent people have rejected this line of attack, and rallied together to defend a Democrat from idiots like Matt Drudge.

DTH

[Cuban_Liberal]

42. I suppose we'll see.

:)

[DoveTurnedHawk]

46. I Suppose So

:-)

Really sorry to read about your court experience, btw. That fucking ADA should be benched.

DTH

[The Magistrate]

64. That We Will, Sir

If any evidence is produced to back the rumors from the execrable Drudge, the question will take on a much different character, but in the absence of such evidence, is mere tabloid twaddle, and as it has not even been taken up by the flagship of that segment of the press, The National Enquirer, it cannot even be said to be taken seriously in tabloid quarters.

As to my characterization of the commentary here in this forum, you cannot effectively assail the statement that the greatest proportion of the hyperventilation on this topic comes from those vocal in their support of Gov. Dean. There have been a few chiming in from the camp of Sen. Edwards, it is true, but his supporters are a sensible lot, by and large, and have not made too much of this blather. Some of those promoting the thing are mere conspiracists, of course, who cannot easily be categorized in any political stripe. The predominant feature of the discussion remains the glee with which the ultras supporting Gov. Dean have embraced this thing. They deserve rebuke for it, Sir.

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[polmaven]

98. As opposed to those

who are crossing their fingers and holding their collective breath hoping against hope that it is true.

[stickdog]

44. Live by electablity, die by electability. (nt)

[Justitia]

11. We are being painted as the party w/a "zipper problem",

whether warranted or not (& regardless of the hypocrisy of the Dark Side).

We all know how this works, we've seen it before.

And as much as I love The Big Dog, he sure hurt us in this respect.

[saracat]

12. Why are we still talking about this?

Our press aren't talking about this.This is a non story.The Sun is a rupert Murdoch rag and is a right wing shill ,not a newspaper. To post this is furtering an rw agenda . Democrats should not participate in unsubstantiated crap about any of their candidates.

[Cuban_Liberal]

16. I beg to differ.

It made our local network news (all 3) AND was front page in our local paper Saturday.

[feistydem]

82. Dean supporters sure seem to love this story

As a Kerry supporter, I wouldn't take any joy in this story being pushed about Howard Dean. As a Kerry supporter I thought the media went way overboard on Dean's scream. As a Kerry supporter, I was certain that if Dean was winning I would support him because I want Bush out and a Dem in.

So why are the Dean supporters so quick to lap up any anti-Kerry rhetoric that makes the news --even the crazy right news?

Cripes, this story was started by Drudge and carried by Rupert Murdoch.

If Rove himself were to stand up this morning and say 'John Kerry is really a saber-toothed tiger' would Dean's people be calling Kerry a saber-toothed tiger today?

Sorry, I just don't get the anger.

:mad:

[bowens43]

13. What *intern* issue?

So far there isn't one.

[Corgigal]

17. If the republicans

didn't hound Clinton for years because of Monica, they yes Kerry could have an affair and it wouldn't matter. However Clinton did have to an affair while in office and we the taxpayers had to listen to it for years. Americans don't care if people have affairs, we know they are private matters, but to be forced to listen to this stupidity 24-7 for months? I just don't think we will and our votes will reflect it.

[rucky]

19. Yes, if she's admitted it on camera.

& Kerry's denied it on audiotape. True or not, a he said/she said is a no-win situation. This isn't like gropinator: Kerry is not an action movie hero, and Peoria is not in California. About the timing of this story: any later & it would be an obvious political ploy (see gropinator). None of Arnold's accusers went on camera.

they've got this crap down to an art form.

[BruinAlum]

55. If she really admitted it on camera we would have seen it by now

It's total bullshit.

[rucky]

89. The longer we don't see it, the less I'll worry.

rumored to air on ABC tonight.


ps: Go Trojans!

[Bucky]

20. If it's true, the best we can hope for

THe best outcome would be for the voters to start treating infidelity the same way they treat pot use. If it's ongoing, it's bad. If it's in the past, it's not a big deal. Sadly, this affair is purported not to be too far in the past. I still think a filanderer can win against a screw up, but the job obviously becomes much harder.

If it's true I'll be majorly pissed at Kerry whether we win or not. It would be a reckless stunt to risk re-electing Bush for just a little nookie. Unless it was Sigourney Weaver. I think an affair with Sigourney Weaver would be worth WW3 and the dismantling of the Bill of Rights.

[Atlant]

65. You don't find that an "Alien" concept?

> Unless it was Sigourney Weaver. I think an affair with Sigourney
> Weaver would be worth WW3 and the dismantling of the Bill of Rights.

You don't find that an Alien concept?

(Sorry!)

Atlant

[Bucky]

125. Sorry. Sometimes I just say the first thought to pop out of my chest

Heeeere's Johnny!

[boxster]

25. I'm waiting for Bush to say something about it to see if that's repeated

on DU as 'truth' over and over and over like the Drudge smear and The Sun's goofy article have been repeated ad nauseum by Kerry detractors.

"I can't stick around for too long today"

Hit and run? If you're not prepared to substantiate your claim, why post it in the first place? This has only been posted about 100 times; it's not like no one knows about it. It's been the topic of conversation for days.

If you don't like Kerry, fine. Just don't perpetuate RW smears on a Democratic forum.

[saracat]

38. I support this post!

Ion DU as 'truth' over and over and over like the Drudge smear and The Sun's goofy article have been repeated ad nauseum by Kerry detractors.

"I can't stick around for too long today"

Hit and run? If you're not prepared to substantiate your claim, why post it in the first place? This has only been posted about 100 times; it's not like no one knows about it. It's been the topic of conversation for days.

If you don't like Kerry, fine. Just don't perpetuate RW smears on a Democratic forum.
I support this post 100 percent!

[bushalert]

29. Not Afraid ....

No way, who even knows if it's true. Where is the proof? How come know majors are reporting on it? I think Kerry will Whip GW in Nov....quit being such wimps! Yes, the democrat CAN win.

[seventhson]

31. I think Kerry is Unelectable anyway. This makes him MORE Unelectable

I have said I think the BFEE wants Kerry as he is the least electable.

Now they want him more, I'd bet.

[saracat]

47. Unelectable to Whom?

As DK has stated "someone is only unelectable if you don't vote for them".It appears the voters are voting for Kerry by large margins.Again I ask, unelectable to whom?

[philgoblue]

109. Reality

Northern Democrats are 0-4 since Kennedy. History just isn't on Tsongas' (er, Kerry's) side.
He doesn't get much in the way of votes from independents in the open primaries. Obviously, these people are leaning toward the Democrats. Edwards wins those votes just like he would in a general election.
We already tried patrician blue-bloods (Gore), poor campaigners (Gore and Mondale), Dems from Massachusetts (Dukakis), and dull statesmen (Mondale). And these three people, despite their nobility and support within the Party, have one thing in common - they LOST.

[saracat]

129. Last Mass Sen.

And the last Mass.rich,partrician military hero(?)Senator candidate won. He also had the initials JFK. Kerry is NOT in the catogory of the above named.He is not a poor campaigner,nor is he dull. And he is gaining lots of independents if you read the breakdown.Also the situation with Iraq and the economey did NOT play in the quoted elections. The reality is that we can win with Kerry and the voting dems recognize it!

[Maddy McCall]

56. Actually, Rove was salivating for Dean. Remember??

[Cuban_Liberal]

60. Covenient how the RW sources we LIKE are OK, but others...

... are not.:puke:

[Atlant]

68. It's also pretty hard to keep up on which R/W sources are okay and which..

It's also pretty hard to keep up on which R/W sources are okay and
which ones just impugned Kerry and are therefore now off-limits.

Atlant

[Cuban_Liberal]

74. Well said.

Those that discredit Sen. Kerry are obviously not to be trusted---ever; those that take a whack at any of Sen. Kerry's opponents are as trustworthy as the tablets delivered to Moses by God himself, obviously. :eyes:

[Ficus]

32. gimmie a break

the American people didn't buy the Monica garbage in the 90s, and certainly won't want to hear about it today.

Hell, if Clinton could run again, he'd hand Bush his ass.

[mzmolly]

75. Ficus "The American People" are divided and this election is too close

to play with fire.

A tearful interview from Ms Polier timed just right could make all the difference in the outcome.

Regarding Clinton, hell ya he'd kick Bush's ass, but that's because of his proven record in the WH.

[diplomats]

36. No concern at all

You know why? Because there is no "interview." The story you cite is perfectly Rovian: a smear job that can't be disproven. Why? Because the name of the network that did this "interview" is not given. Convenient, isn't it? Don't you think if such an interview actually existed, freepers, wingnuts and other Repukes would be pressuring said network to show it? This is nothing more than an effort to scare Dems and make them think this issue will be perpetually over Kerry's head, because this "interview" could be aired at any time. This is how Rove works, guys. Don't fall for it.

[lovedems]

40. I will pass judgement for awhile. Right now this is just a baseless rumor

If it turns out to be false, I won't be guilty of putting my panties in a wad for nothing. If it turns out to be true, I will be pretty upset. Not for the fact that Kerry had an affair but in this day and age, with the cons having this type of smear mastered, why in the hell would you run for President with a recent affair under your belt? While I personally don't think it matters, it is red meat for the press and could be very damaging. The stakes are to high this year.

I am taking the wait and see approach with my fingers crossed this won't amount to anything.

[seventhson]

54. Judging by this DU poll, majority of Duers think if true, Kerry should go

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=340845

So obviously many of us are worried about it.

[Maddy McCall]

57. key phrase: "if true"

[seventhson]

61. Correction: If Alexandra Polias SAYS it is true

Thanks for the correction

[Maddy McCall]

115. Well, she said it ISN'T TRUE

So hopefully your multitudinous postings on this topic will cease?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=342742&mesg_id=342742&page=

[mzmolly]

70. It it's true he needs to drop the hell out and hand the reigns to a

to another viable candidate. He needs to put *The Party* and his country first. :shrug:

[Cuban_Liberal]

80. I agree.

:thumbsup:

[saracat]

106. And obviously

the concerns were wrong.The young women has gone public with her denial.Many DU'ers might have to examine their devotion to RW propaganda!

[shivaji]

66. Not the Intern, it is Kerry debating Kerry commercials is what will

do Kerry in. I am reading reports of repugs salivating at TV ads
showing Kerry switching positions on 14 important issues. After
Monica Lewinsky, the country is inocculated against bimbo eruptions.

[funky_bug]

79. Yeah yeah yawn... thanks for the BREAKING news flash

I don't care where Kerry's penis has been, as long as I don't have to worry about Bush's Dick for the next four years.

By the way... he was not married to Teresa at the time... and I believe going through his divorce. Since when does "dating" or "pursuing a female" offend us? This is what it is: Rove's latest attempt to take down the party, and Dean supporters latest effort to regain their momentum. If you look around, the majority of those harping this are Dean people.

[Maddy McCall]

85. You nailed it...

and, in the fall-out, the votes will go to Edwards, not Dean.

[mzmolly]

108. He wasn't married to Teresa? They've been married 8 years have they not?

:shrug:

The woman has now denied the story, so well take it from there.

[Cush]

81. Breaking: Polier Denies It

see: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=367604

[DoveTurnedHawk]

86. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

YES!

I wonder how many of the people who've been pushing this UTTER NONSENSE are going to have the decency to eat a little crow, now?

DTH

[feistydem]

102. Not a one...

It's a short-sighted view, of course. But the next thing that is "drudged" up will get the same play here because eating crow by the ABK crowd is like Tucker Carlson eating his shoes.

[feistydem]

95. Thank You!!

Can we put this stupid story to bed now?

...and talk about how to defeat Bush, instead of ourselves?

[funky_bug]

96. Thank you Drudge for handing us the primary

Remember Gennifer Flowers? Remember how we rallied around "poor Clinton?"

We just got the primary on a silver platter.

God, this is almost as great as Dixville Notch!

[maxanne]

116. and you seem to have forgotten

that stories of Clinton's womanizing stuck to him like shit on a blanket - and the digging continued until a story stuck.

Whether this charge against Kerry is true or not doesn't matter. The slime and innuendo will always be there. Are you 100% sure Kerry's always kept his dick under control?

His womanizing may not matter to you or I. It shouldn't matter at all. But to Mr and Mrs Six Pack in middle America this kind of thing matters a great deal. Witness the continued vilification of Clinton and his penis. Another penis problem will forever taint the Democrats beyond redemption.

Dixville Notch? :eyes:

I hope you aren't expecting those doughty Republicans to vote for Kerry. :D

[funky_bug]

121. Dixville Notch was a state of mind

The night my fellow Clark supporters and I sat up until 1am, watching Clark take his small victory was a moment we often refer to. It is a state of mind - a small victory that is balm for the soul. I don't suspect you were there though, so I don't fault you for not getting the jest of the message.

To quote you in your post: "Whether this charge against Kerry is true or not doesn't matter." It very much DOES matter. The charges of WMD's in Iraq were not true, and though on a larger scale, most certainly matter now that they are disproven.

Like it or not, Kerry weathered this one, and comes out clean. You want to know if I can know for certainty that Kerry "kept his dick under control" ? If you have ever studied logic, you'll know that you CANNOT PROVE A NEGATIVE.

For the record, it matters not to me where Kerry's penis has been, as long as I don't have to deal with Bush's Dick for the next four years.

[maxanne]

122. wifeof

I live down the road from Dixville Notch, thanks. I know the folks up there. The "jest of the message is lost all right" - but not on me.

Way to miss the point about Clinton, Kerry and womanizing.

[funky_bug]

124. Maybe still missing my point, maybe not

My point about "Dixville Notch" was not in regards to their demographic allegience to the GOP. It's like saying "I remember September" in regards to a significant or pleasant emotion related to an event.

And "jest" was not an error... it was a play on words.

I won't address your Clinton comment. You have your opinions, I have mine. Clinton was a fine president, and if I could have him back for another 8 years, I'd gladly pick up the dry cleaning bills for his interns.

And finally, with all due respect, you and I have often battled it out on DU. You are as firm in your beliefs as I am, and our tit for tats are quite often, draws. So I believe I will respect your passionate defense as a stance that is not to be debated. In other words, flame away, but I'm done biting.

[mzmolly]

100. I just saw this at forum for America I do hope her denial is true and the

interview she supposedly granted is not.

I'll take her at her word for now. :hi:

[Tansy_Gold]

117. Having come forward and denied the rumor now,

Ms. Polier would be highly suspect if she tried to deny her denial later.

Interestingly, I believe the original Drudge rumor included a claim that Ms. Polier's father called Senator Kerry - quote - "a sleazeball." Latest report here claims the father says he will vote for the Senator.

Methinks the rumormonger just monged himself.


Tansy Gold

[BruinAlum]

83. You were not sure if this issue was considered at length??

Give me a break! It's been considered ad nauseum!

You were wondering if Kerry supporters have any concerns about it?? Well, yes. I'm glad you asked.

I am wondering why non-Kerry supporters are all of a sudden treating shit from Drudge and Rupert Murdoch like Holy Scripture?

I am wondering why any reasonable person would believe any credible news outlet would sit on a taped interview of a blockbuster confession and not release it if it actually existed?

[NNN0LHI]

84. I had a good friend who was alway conerned with other peoples sex lives

Funny thing was this friend came home one day and found their own spose in the sack with someone else. Funny how things work out.

Don

[tobius]

88. I agree that sexual romps are in the larger picture "no big deal'.

However, the political landscape is constantly changing. Just because Clinton had sex in the white house with an intern and left office with 67% approval doesn't mean that is the blueprint for success going forward.

"If" and again big "IF" this allegation is true I would think that most voters would expect a candidate for president to have the honor not to put his supporters or the country through that again. Remember Clinton was already in office, times were good and no war to worry about.

Again, if true, the blame should not go to the media or some "dirty tricks" conspiracy, the anger needs to be directed at the individual who would be brazen enough to chance it.

[tobius]

107. oops

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

90. Woman Denies Kerry Affair

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&e=2&u=/ap/20040216/ap_on_el_pr/kerry_polier

[BruinAlum]

91. STATEMENT FROM WOMAN ABOUT SENATOR KERRY

Statement From Woman About Sen. Kerry

12 minutes ago

By The Associated Press

A statement released Monday by Alexandra Polier, who has been the subject of rumors linking her to Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites):



"For the last several days I have seen Internet and tabloid rumors relating to me and Senator John Kerry. Because these stories were false, I assumed the media would ignore them. It seems that efforts to peddle these lies continue, so I feel compelled to address them. I have never had a relationship with Senator Kerry, and the rumors in the press are completely false. Whoever is spreading these rumors and allegations does not know me, but should know the pain they have caused me and my family. I am in Kenya with my fiance visiting his family, and we ask that the press respect our privacy and leave all of us alone."


A statement by Terry and Donna Polier, the parents of Alexandra Polier:


"We have spoken to our daughter and the allegations that have been made regarding her are completely false and unsubstantiated. We love and support her 100 percent and these unfounded rumors are hurtful to our entire family. We appreciate the way Senator Kerry has handled the situation, and intend on voting for him for president of the United States."


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040216/ap_on_el_pr/kerry_polier_statements&cid=694&ncid=2043

CAN WE PUT THIS TO REST NOW??

[mzmolly]

97. I just saw this. It's good news if the interview she supposedly granted

doesn't contradict her statement today.

[feistydem]

110. Oh good grief...

Give it up already. Can we please focus on beating Bush now? Or shall we just do Rove's job for him and keep beating up on each other?

[philgoblue]

114. No, let's have primaries

Let's nominate the most electable -- John Edwards.

[feistydem]

119. I'm not suggesting we call the contest over

I am saying we should stop passing along rumors from the right as gospel.

I like Edwards, but I think he should be VP because he needs a little more experience in government under his belt (in my opinion). I think in 8 years he could be the next John Kennedy. He has that same kind of vision and hope for America's future.

[BruinAlum]

123. I would take this to mean there WAS NO interview

[West Coast Democrat]

99. No. Because it's not true

and even if the story were true, it would not help to make Dean any more electable...although clearly you're hoping that it would throw the nomination to him.

Look, the voters have been deciding, overwhelmingly, that Kerry is the best to run against shrub. You may not agree, but hoping something will bring Kerry down is not going to help us to beat Bush.

[mzmolly]

104. Once again this isn't about Dean, it's about getting Bush out of the OO.

Regarding her denial, I am glad to see it. I can only hope there isn't a television interview to the contrary as the story I posted claims...

[philgoblue]

111. Agree

That'll be the key. The tape will now come out.
Even if it isn't true (in which case, who spread it and why?), Kerry's still a loser in November.

[bornskeptic]

130. That's absurd.

She's a journalist. Do you think she would jeopardize her career by making a public denial if there were a tape? Actually, the story was pretty well debunked yesterday by her college roommate's article, which was posted numerous times, but which people involved in denigrating Kerry seem to have conveniently overlooked.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,8693388%255E2703,00.html

[mzmolly]

134. Actually I hadn't seen the article you note.

I'll take a look. Regarding her jeopardizing her career, stranger things have happened?

Your points are well taken. But I was waiting to hear from *her* and I am glad we did. And, once again, I hope/assume the television interview does not exist.

[mot78]

101. Newsflash: Its not true!

Alex Polier has denied this whole mess. This thread is irrelevant now.

[arwalden]

103. NO!

[MrSlayer]

105. No, Since it isn't true.

I'm not worried at all. It pains me to see so many people here wishing it was though.

[fknobbit]

120. A little on the side!

No one but some sicko Religious right a$$ hole or a Rovebot wants to hear about any one Else's sex life, These sicko's are already positioned far to the right. The avg American was beyond tired of hearing Limbaugh, Hannuty, et al... babbling on, non stop, about Clinton's bj.

Hell The Big dog went out with 67% approval rating. Gore and other Dem dimwits shied away from Clinton's support, to their regret and shame. Frankly I am glad to see any one run against Bush with Nads certified, for it will be a requirement

[Newsman Matt Drudge]

126. Well, that was my hope

But as it turns out, I'm a filthy stinking liar. I don't research, I don't check on facts, I simply spit out whatever crap my little brain can conjure up, and hope that people believe.

I sure had you going there, huh!?!

No hard feelings I hope.

Sincerely,
Matt

[mzmolly]

131. Matt, don't flatter yourself. I acutally quoted a Brittish tabloid.

Are you and the Sun working together these days ? ;)

Hey, can you do me a favor, and pull out your old Dean dish? I think we need a reminder that poor Mr. Kerry is not the only victim of your baseless smears. ;)

Thanks for stopping by.
Much Love,
Mzm

[Newsman Matt Drudge]

133. If I don't flatter myself, who will flatter me?

Please tell me how important I am.

Please?

Love always,
Matt

[mzmolly]

135. XO Matty,

"YOU ARE IMPORTANT SCHMOOKIE!"

Love,
Mom ;)