ok, I just want to post this picture of Bill Clinton in light of Hillary's campaign

[Lerkfish]

What does this mean in the whole scheme of things, if anything?

REmember when Bill started chumming around with Bush Sr., and a lot of us at DU couldn't understand why.

NOt sure if anyone satisfactorily addressed this bizarre relationship.


:shrug:

[Cooley Hurd]

1. K&R - it's a VERY valid question...

:thumbsup:

My theory: Big Dog was grateful that the BFEE let him live out his terms instead of what happened to JFK?:shrug:;)

[Tellurian]

6. Ah, the heat in Obama's kitchen getting too hot?

Oh-Kay!.... Topic change...not a new topic just something thats been discussed a million times...but what can we expect..theres not much else left to rehash, dissect, regurgitate for the masses.

[Cooley Hurd]

11. I'm not an Obama supporter - actually I'm still deciding...

Are all Hillary supporters as hostile? If so, it's a turn-off...

[Tellurian]

44. Are the curious basing their candidate choice on who is supporting them?

I like Rice-a-Roni, will that affect who you choose to vote for?

Oh, here's something for you to chew on...don't forget your life jacket...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3403981

[Cooley Hurd]

48. I fucking HATE Rice-a-Roni!

That's it! I'm supporting Gravel! :P

BTW - awesome pics of the Big Dog!:thumbsup:

[Alexander]

49. If you don't like the topic, you don't have to post in the thread.

We've heard "Hillary will win, it's inevitable" billions of times.

Pot, meet kettle.

[Virginia Dare]

35. One little anecdote I will never forget...

Jackie Kennedy hosting the Clintons (I think twice?) on board her yacht of the coast of Mass., it was billed as a casual social visit. No secret service on board, just them, and Maurice Tempelsman. I've often wondered exactly what was discussed during these meetings. I think this is probably a big key to why Poppy extended a friendly hand to the Clintons and why Bill made it out alive.

:tinfoilhat:

[Tellurian]

42. which in turn promted this memory

JFK shaking hands with a future president.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. Why Were Gerald Ford And Jimmy Carter Such Good Friends?

eom

[Cooley Hurd]

5. Because Ford was a mere tool of the BFEE, and Carter knew that...

...and felt kinda sorry for him?;)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. Clinton Strikes Me As A Guy Who Could Get Along With Anybody

eom

[Virginia Dare]

37. Poppy is hoping some of Clinton's popularity will rub off on him...n/t

[Richardo]

12. No, because they were both adults.

Jesus.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. I Suspect Papa Bush Would Rather Hang Out With Clinton Than George

He's more civil and gracious...

[Richardo]

22. ...and more fun.

I have no doubt you're right.

[OwnedByFerrets]

40. Well, Im an adult too....

but that doesnt make me want to be chummy with scum like that.

[Virginia Dare]

36. Ex-President's club..

There are of course a very exclusive club, and they know and have experienced things that no other person in the world can relate to. I think in fact, Poppy has no use for his own son and vice versa, and that Poppy and Bill have a very strange surrogate father/son relationship based on mutual respect.

The Clintons are really the only people in history Poppy has tried and failed to beat down, and I think he give them their props for it..

[Richardo]

3. They belong to the most exclusive club in the world

They embody what most of the country SAYS they want - an ability for the two parties to work together.

They're politicians of the old school, not ideological purists like most of the media and blog-o-sphere (including DU).

Why shouldn't they get along?

[Totally Committed]

4. This one makes me so angry I gag whenever I see it:

TC

[Richardo]

10. Angry? Why?

Strikes me as something of an overreaction, to put it mildly.

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[Richardo]

21. The peaceful transfer of power is the hallmark of this nation

And the "DLC-bi partisan bullshit" is in large part what got us 8 years of a Democratic administration. Am I a supporter of everything the DLC says? No. But I recognize that a party has to attact more than half of the middle-ground 40% of the voters in this country to succeed, and the hysterical wings of either party are not going to attract such voters.

Politics is by its very nature a game of compromise and expediency. Ideological purists apparently would prefer to be a permanent, increasingly irrelevant minority rather than sully themselves by aligning with the more pragmatic elements and actually getting elected.

That's religion, not politics. Have fun with that.

[Totally Committed]

24. So, you weren't interested ,really, in what my feelings or motives were....

you just wanted a reason to criticize them, lecture me, and call a few names. I see. And people wonder why there is such a negative reaction to Hillary and the people who support her here on this board.

The arrogance is astounding.

TC

[ProudDad]

58. 'Cause

they were covering up the non-response to Katrina, maybe?

:grr:

[Spearman87]

54. What IS that? What's the occsion of the photo? (N/T)

[dipsydoodle]

7. It's no different from

the fact that prosecuting and defence councils are frequently friends apart form which it doesn't follow that BC and GB are friends - may have been an unavoidable social function.

[Tellurian]

9. Here's something for your consideration:

Maybe you could spend some time actually HELPING Obama. He needs it!

Hillary Poll Leads:

July 25, 2007 Insider Advantage South Carolina post-debate poll:

Clinton 42.8% Obama 27.6% Edwards 12.8%

Southern Political Report: "These results now reflect the some 15% spread between Clinton and Obama shown in other recent surveys in South Carolina. More importantly, they beg a strategy by Obama to find a way to win back African-American support and to find a way to expand his support among whites.

http://www.insideradvantage.com/free/2007/July/7-25-07/towery.php

[durrrty libby]

17. "Maybe you could spend some time actually HELPING Obama. He needs it!"

Why help them out with a common sense approach? Obviously, they are not capable of taking good advise.

They are too busy "gagging" over pictures and bashing the true leader of the polls

Some of the crap they spew is just goofy. Illpro loves to say..."OOOh ooh ooh HRC is so

cold and selfish" Her bashing always sounds as though she was jilted by a lover.

It has become tiresome and pathetic

[bling bling]

23. What is it with you (and your friends) and Obama??

Obsessed? Or is it just an uncontrollable reflexive reaction to shout his name anytime someone starts a thread about Hillary?? The OP never said anything about being an Obama supporter.

I swear, ya'll blame Obama supporters every.single.time. You're giving the impression to the forum that there's a much bigger war going on than there is.

Truth be told there are maybe 2 people who support Obama who regularly go off on Hillary. Maybe another 4 or 5 who voice their dislike of her occassionally. The other 900 people who don't like her don't like Obama either.

It's like your toying with people to amuse yourself and maybe a couple of others. I sincerely don't get the strategy. It doesn't help anybody that I can tell. Certainly not Hillary.

[Dawgs]

13. Well she agreed with Bush Junior on his war.

Maybe they are all sitting around laughing at us know.

[Alamom]

14. Ever heard, “Keep your friends close - hold your enemies closer”? He was spotted with this man

this past week. I think he's a friend......




Former South African president Nelson Mandela, left, is escorted by former U.S. president Bill Clinton into the auditorium at the Mandela Foundation in Johannesburg, South Africa, Thursday July 19, 2007. The two opened an exhibition entitled "Making Peace", part of the ongoing celebrations of Mandela's 89th birthday. (AP Photo/Jerome Delay)



http://www.afriquenligne.fr/news/daily_news/clinton_leaves_tanzania_after_holding_talks_with_president_kikwete_200707253850/

7/25/07
Clinton leaves Tanzania after holding talks with President Kikwete

Former US President Bill Clinton has left for home, following his three-day working visit to assist Tanzania in its fight against malaria.

Clinton, who left on Tuesday, has been on a Southern Africa safari, visiting South Africa, Zambia and Malawi — conducting various humanitarian activities.

He arrived in Tanzania on Sunday to promote low cost treatment for malaria, Africa’s major killer disease, with simple remedies.

Foreign ministry and State House officials said the former US leader held a closed-door meeting in the northern town of Arusha Tuesday with President Jakaya Kikwete before leaving the country.

Though diplomats declined to speculate on what the two leaders discussed during their tête-à-tête, no doubt Clinton’s efforts to reduce HIV/Aids and malarial deaths in Tanzania was at the centre of the talks.

Clinton, after leaving office in 2001, formed the Clinton Foundation for HIV/AIDS Initiative (CHAI) to help fight the killer disease as well as treat tuberculosis and malaria in Africa.

[Tellurian]

16. Great pic, Alamom...Thanks for posting it!

Big Dog looking good!

[Alamom]

18. You are most welcome. Maybe this should be a separate thread

since we're keeping up with the candidates spouses. We need to keep it current.....

& it is a great picture not to mention what the former president is doing to fight disease in Africa & Asia.

Oh and yes, he looks great.

[wyldwolf]

20. Bill Clinton - the man Obama aspires to be.

[Totally Committed]

25. This is the first one of your posts I've absolutely agreed with in a LONG time.

I think you're right about this, and it is the #1 I have had trouble with even thinking about supporting him. Thanks for clarifying that for me.

TC

[BeyondGeography]

27. Don't tell Michelle

In other words, so much for that theory.

[wyldwolf]

28. Obama preaches a "unity" message. What's to disagree with?

[BeyondGeography]

29. "The man" is all encompassing..."politician," "leader" then there's a conversation

Don't make me go all Lewinsky on you now.

[wyldwolf]

31. "Don't make me go all Lewinsky on you now." Bwahahahaha! The new crutch of the left

Do you realize right after the Lewinsky scandal, Clinton had a 73% approval rating? Go ahead, "go all Lewinsky on me."

[BeyondGeography]

32. Wrong metric, Wolf

Lotta good those approval ratings did us in 2000:

The latest CNN/USA Today/Gallup tracking poll indicates 58 percent of Americans approve of the job Clinton is doing as president. But after surviving impeachment more than a year ago, Clinton trails Gore in the number of people who view him favorably.

Overall, 17 percent of all voters say they would be more likely to vote for Gore if Clinton were to campaign for the vice president. But 40 percent said they were less likely to vote for Gore with Clinton stumping for him, and 40 percent said that would have no effect.

Among independent voters, the net loss for Gore could be far greater: Gallup's survey indicated that 45 percent of independents would be less likely to vote for the vice president if Clinton were to campaign for him, while only 10 percent said they would be more likely to support Gore. Another 37 percent of independents said Clinton's efforts would make no difference.

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/10/24/clinton.factor/

[wyldwolf]

33. correct metric, beyogeo, we're discussing Lewinsky now, not 2000

Your stats actually look good for Clinton/Gore.

And Clinton's approval was around 63% the day he left office.

[Virginia Dare]

38. Oh come on!

I sincerely hope the Obama people aren't going to start that shit. I'm in nobody's camp, but that's just childish bullshit. We don't need that. :thumbsdown:

[BeyondGeography]

41. Oh really!

Let me make it simple for you: Obama's life dream is not to be Bill Clinton for a number of reasons, personal character being one of them.

[Virginia Dare]

43. You don't have to make that point..

by bringing up Monica Lewinsky. That's cheap. I hope that's not the kind of thing that I'm going to be seeing from Obama people. That's a real turn off.

[BeyondGeography]

45. Follow the thread

I responded to a point that Obama wanted to be like Clinton with, "Don't tell Michelle." That should have been enough, but it wasn't. Not my goal to revisit ugliness, but, sometimes, the point has to be made. I prefer to keep the dress in the closet like everyone else.

[Virginia Dare]

46. Good, please do...n/t

[Imagevision]

50. -->Bill Clinton - the man Osama aspires to be...

[Ethelk2044]

26. how chummy

[Bitwit1234]

30. So bush sr is no longer in politics and Bill Clinton is no longer in politics

why can't they play golf together. Does that mean that republicans should move to one side of the country and democrats to the other an never the twain to meet. Bull. If they get along together what difference does it make. While they were spear heading the Tsunami campaign they might have seen there was another side to each other that didn't include politics.

[Toots]

34. Wasn't their relationship based on a huge humanitarian effort

Didn't the two come together to raise money for the millions of people decimated by the huge tsunami. They wanted to present a united cause with a united effort. The two most respected leaders of their different Parties and you want to find fault...Do you regret that so many people were aided by their coming together to raise money?

[Lerkfish]

53. um.no. I'm asking the question if anyone could satisfactorily explain the bizarre

relationship.

from that you jump to I'm upset when victims receive aid?

I find the relationship bizarre. If they were interested in humanitarian aid, why did they do absolutely NOTHING for Katrina victims?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

61. More Bizarre Than FDR And Herbert Hoover Becoming Friends

or FDR and Wendell Wilkie...

[Penndems]

39. They are both lifetime members of a very exclusive fraternity: Former Presidents

An occupation fraught with experiences, accomplishments and disappointments that are truly unique to that office holder, and to his Administration.

Judging from recent polling, George W. Bush seems destined to become the lowliest, most disliked member.

[Adelante]

47. Two ex-prezes who are pals

It's not a big deal to me.

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[Semper_FiFi]

55. What is so "bizarre" about two former presidents playing golf?

And what are you trying to imply about Hillary because of it? I may be naive, but I don't see anything "bizarre" in this photo.

:shrug:

[Gloria]

56. Oh, that's Bush Sr with his "son"------and where's Rupert? he should

be there, too, to complete the happy picture.

[ProudDad]

57. They both LOVE NAFTA, GATT and the WTO

and golf...

:shrug:

[NoodleBoy]

59. uh-oh, Bill Clinton once talked to a Republican without screaming "TRAITOR!!!!!" in his face,

I guess he's no better than a Republican now.

[CK_John]

60. Bill is like the son 41 wishes he had, instead of the real dim son he has. n/t

[Perry Logan]

62. This friendship is the sort of thing that seems very important to the conspiracy guys.

To them, it proves that the secret ruling elite are pulling all the strings. It's part of the SECRET WORLD TAKEOVER that only they can see.