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uconnyc Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 08:40 PM
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Edwards supporters - do you feel he is genuine on all his positions
Do you feel that in Edwards heart of hearts he realy feels that it was a good idea to go to war?

I trust JRE a lot but on that issue, NAFTA and gay marriage I think he is considering electability.

Just curious what others think

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uconnyc Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 08:42 PM
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1. and FYI
I am actually for the war and against NAFTA and Gay Marriage so Edwards suits me perfect!
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 08:43 PM
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2. He's running exactly the way I would run for preisdent, and I find myself
to be very genuine and focused on winning because I'd like to do the most good for the most people.

The worst I ever felt about a poltician I liked was when I listened to Bill Clinton say that he did have sexual relations with Monica. I had a feeling in mi estomago that I'll never forget.

The best way to descrive Edwards is that I get the OPPOSITE of that feeling EVERY TIME I listen to him.
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 08:51 PM
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7. My feelings exactly.
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DaisyUCSB Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 08:46 PM
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3. He didn't just flat out support war
he thought that the process of the UN/NATO putting enough pressure on Saddam would have gotten him to comply with UN res 1441, as I understand it. He didn't support a rushed unilateral foriegn policy. The reason he doesn't articulate it that much that way, or try to sound more "anti-war" if you will, is that often when people have nuanced positions on issues that are complicated they get branded as inconsistent because most people don't take the time to leard that there are more than 2 simplistic sides to issues
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 08:48 PM
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5. good point
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 08:47 PM
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4. I think he DOES believe what he is saying on everything.
I don't agree with him on the IWR, but I think he does believe it. On gay marriage, I think he would like to come out fully in favor of it (and he did to some extent re: California) but as he said "I don't think the country as a whole is ready for it." I think he believes that.

I think he's just somewhat more careful in saying less, if he holds a belief that might hurt him with general population.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 08:49 PM
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6. Not an Edwards supporter but I trust him on NAFTA
the rest could be pandering but on NAFTA he's as real as Kucinich.

Thanks for this thread. I look forward to hearing what Edwards' supporters have to say because I'm curious about how genuine he is or isn't also.
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DjTj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 08:56 PM
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8. I think he is genuine.
His war stance is pretty much that he has to take responsibility for his vote and that it would be disingenuous to try to backtrack on it. He voted for it and he accepts the consequences.

He has said, "I don't support gay marriage" but he doesn't want to impose that on other people. Marriage really is a state issue and his stance makes a lot of sense for the current times and for the current Supreme Court.

He ran his '98 Senate campaign speaking against NAFTA, so I think he generally values jobs over trade. However, I think he also understands that it's a very complex question. Here's what he said when he voted for PNTR with China:


But I am mindful that globalization and this bill in particular may have a real downside. As a Senator from North Carolina, I am well-positioned to see both the enormous benefits and the large costs of this measure.

Textile and apparel workers, many of whom live in North Carolina, face real challenges as a result of this measure. While in almost every respect the agreement with China benefits our country, textiles is the major exception. As a result of joining WTO, quotas on Chinese textiles and apparel will be eliminated in 2005. As a result, Chinese apparel will flow into the United States. By and large, the Chinese imports will likely displace imports from other countries. However, there is no doubt that an additional burden will be placed on the textile industry. To be sure, the industry can try to protect itself through the anti-surge mechanism put in place by this legislation. Yet it does us no good to pretend that these remedies are perfect and that people will not be hurt. I know that textile workers will work their hearts out competing with the Chinese. I know these people; I grew up with them. When I was in college, I worked a summer job in a textile mill. My father spent his life working in mills. The impact of PNTR on them is personal to me. Dealing with the impact of this bill on them will always be a top priority for me. And I will fight throughout my career to protect them.

Mr. President, China's entry into the World Trade Organization and its attainment of permanent normal trade relations with America is not without its risks. No one can predict with certainty that China will live up to its commitments. I vote for this bill because I believe that we must turn our face toward the future. But we must be mindful of the risks. So I warn that I will monitor China's compliance with its agreements like a hawk. If they renege, I will lead the charge to force them to live up to their obligations.

But to vote against this measure--to deny PNTR--not only fails to accomplish anything productive but also denies us enormous opportunities. We cannot hide our heads in the sand. China will join the WTO. The Senate has no impact on that decision. The only question we face is whether the U.S. will grant China permanent normal trade relations or whether it will fall out of compliance with its WTO obligations. If we fall out of compliance, the U.S. will be denied the Chinese tariff reductions and rule changes, while every other country in the world takes advantage of the Chinese concessions. We must decide whether the U.S. will be able to compete with other countries--Germany, France, Japan--as they enter the Chinese market. American companies and workers deserve the right to enter those markets. On balance, I believe that China's admission into the World Trade Organization and its attainment of permanent normal trading relations is for the good.

And so I vote for this legislation, mindful of the risks, prepared to watch the results carefully and optimistic about the future.


http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2000_record&page=S8701&position=all
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CalebHayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 08:58 PM
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9. Agreed, he is thinking electability.
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 09:01 PM
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10. I think Edwards has another opinion of the war..
and someone already made that point. When I myself knew it would turn out exactly this way--I'm interested in who can get our butt out of it and keep Bush from starting more of them. Do I trust Edwards--yes.
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