Democratic Debate on MSNBC - Thread #3

[Tinoire]

Continued from thread #2: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=339297&mesg_id=339517

[maddezmom]

Al Sharpton speaks the truth

about backgrounds meaning nada.

[Paulie]

1. Thanks again!

:)

Dennis :hi: You rock, you know that???? :hi:

[Dying Eagle]

2. DK is a hippy

Peace loving and pro pot.

[Rationality]

4. deleted by poster

apologies to WI for Kerry.

[Kusala]

6. self-deleted

[Dying Eagle]

22. !?!?!?!?

ok? I have read the DU for over a year now, I switched acounts, i use to have the over 1,000 make too

[Dying Eagle]

13. I'm not bashing DK!!!

I'm a hippy to.....I love john lennon, i have long hair and I smoke pot once and awhile

[Rationality]

21. Sorry

Misunderstood. I'm self-deleting that other post.

[TennesseeWalker]

10. Peaceful hippies are a real danger to the Military-Industrial complex.

I understand your concern, and wish you well in recovery.

[fromadam]

42. Peaceful Generals are an even bigger threat to the MIC ..eom

[LWolf]

3. DK

Reminding the people of this country what America is about.

Why shouldn't everybody have the same rights?

[Bill McBlueState]

11. DK's answer about gay marriage was inspiring

If my candidate drops out before my state's primary, I'm going to vote for Dennis.

[bigwillq]

18. I think I am too after this debate n/t

[LWolf]

23. I'm going to vote for him

regardless of where the others stand. He's been inspiring me for a year, and I'm thrilled to finally have the opportunity to cast a vote for someone who can do that!

[m-jean03]

15. He is so buoyant and his thoughts so well put together

I wish Kerry would have some of his idealistic enthusiasm. I could get more excited about him if I saw that.

[displacedtexan]

25. War kind of takes that out of you. DK never saw his friends die.

The fact that JK is still fighting for civil rights, etc. demonstrates his dedication.
Sure, it makes him seem older and less enthusiastic, but right now I need an elder statesman.

[m-jean03]

39. That's a good point .

It's so sad if that's the case, though. Imagine, losing your enthusiasm...:(

[diamondsoul]

44. No, it isn't war-

it's inherent personality that sustains that sort of optimism or doesn't. That's not a slam against Kerry, just a personal observation.

I know plenty of vets. Not anywhere near everyone who has faced death that up close and personal has lost their optimism and enthusiasm. Some of Dennis' most devoted supporters are combat veterans who are enthusiastic about the hope Kucinich has rekindled in them. Finally somebody in politics is speaking the things they've thought and said for decades. It isn't John Kerry.

[no name no slogan]

50. Actually, he DID see them die

DK has said before that his main motivation for getting involved in politics in the late '60s was watching his friends go off to Vietnam, and come back scarred for life, or not come back at all.

Remember, DK grew up in a poor inner-city neighborhood-- one where the young men were particularly vulnerable to the draft, and one where the only way out for some of them was enlistment. He not only got to see what the war did to his classmates, but how it cost his city and neighborhood AND country-- it's tough to rebuild infrastructure if you're busy bombing a small SE Asian country.

DK has fought a war his entire life: the war against despair, poverty and fear. He has literally come up from the streets and fought hard to be where he is today, against all odds and against all opponents. He has battled corporate America and WON. He has taken on Republicans and WON-- even in 1994, the year of the "Gingrich Revolution" and the "Contract On America". He's been fighting uphill battles all his life-- this one is no different.

[LWolf]

27. A quote from Dennis:

"I don't know what that is, to be discouraged," he said. "I've never once woken up and been discouraged."

http://www.jsonline.com/news/state/feb04/207724.asp

[diamondsoul]

20. E PLURIBUS UNUM

I've always loved that motto, and I tink that's the first time I've ever heard a candidate for President make that slogan perfectly clear to the people.

I love my candidate.:loveya:

[Dying Eagle]

5. You have to admit..

Kerry would slaughter Bush in a civil debate, I just wish Al and DK could be in that same debate lol

[LWolf]

16. Al is, IMO

the best debater I've ever heard.

And Dennis is rocking tonight.

Any of the 5 on that stage would slaughter Bush in a civil debate. There is simply no comparison.

While I wholeheartedly want to see Dennis be the man to do it this year, I would pay to see Sharpton debate Bush.

[Taeger]

38. Dean incoherent

Dean sounded downright incoherent at times.

He gets flustered at times. I'm not sure I want that. I want someone who ALWAYS sounds confident and competent.

[maddezmom]

7. kick~ the other thread is getting toooo long

:kick:

[spooky3]

8. All the guys have had good moments tonight.

[curse10]

9. I really liked Kerry's last comment

:-)

[Cocoa]

12. Clarence Thomas watching at home....

thinking, "how did I get dragged into this?" :-)

[curse10]

19. That was an awesome comment from Al

There is always one thing I like about Al- he's fucking hilarious!

[Kusala]

14. My Final Debate Rankings

1 - Sharpton
2 - Kucinich
3 - Edwards
4 - Kerry
5 - Dean

[Kahuna]

17. Not bad. The questioners asked Kerry some "uncomfortable"

questions. They're trying to paint him as "liberal" and a waffler. Or at least trying to suggest he is those things.

[bigwillq]

24. Now look who's in the hot seat n/t

[Kusala]

26. well he is a waffler

so he can expect to get hammered on that throught the entire election year.

[Kahuna]

28. I know but...

sssh. Nobody's supposed to know that. :shrug:

[revcarol]

29. Anyone watching MSNBC followup?

Kerry so presidential?

DK unpatriotic for calling Bush a liar?

What's the skinny, guys and gals?

[laruemtt]

32. scarborough somehow

saw the others have given up and accepted kerry is the nominee????? what debate was that? not the one i saw! but this is scarborough...

[Kusala]

36. It's just the corporate media

telling you who your candidate is again..move along..nothing to see here..

[Kusala]

33. Buchana says Edwards won..

weird, but he was much better than Kerry..

[LWolf]

34. They are

slaverying over Kerry.

Some defense of Edwards.

Negative on Dean.

No positive comments so far for DK or Sharpton.

[Dying Eagle]

30. Good debate

Everyone have a good night, thank you for the good debate. I'm going to go watch wrestling PPV, Flame away :)

[maddezmom]

31. Thanks to Tinoire for posting the new threads for the debate

:pals:

[Tinoire]

40. It was my pleasure! Thanks for participating and letting me know

I wasn't the only one watching! ;)

:pals: Candidate disagreements won't come between that.

[Kahuna]

35. Scarborough raving about Kerry. Say's he's Presidential.

:scared:

Now they're kinda pushing Edwards.

[Hav]

37. ..

Boy, I sure do love Kucinich,he's just great and I wish I could cast a vote for my little Gollum.
Sharpton was great,too.Not only damn funny and entertaining but nailing it on the head.

This was the first debate I really saw but I think it was a great debate.If it's always close to be as entertaining as this, I can't really understand why only about 50% participate in the general election,which is really sad.


I also think that all the candidates have more respect for each other than most here believe.

[Tinoire]

41. I think you're right about the candidate respect thing

They have a better appreciation for the difficulties of the job. I'm sure it's no soft bed of roses.

Welcome to DU Hav :toast:

[maddezmom]

43. agree, and I think the folks on DU respect each other a lot more

than we let on. :pals:

[diamondsoul]

45. ??? Why can't you vote for him? n/t

[Guava Jelly]

46. I can speak for myself

Dennis is a good man and i agree with him on allmost everything.
But he will frighten off the moderates who actually pick our president.
Security is going to be a big thing.
Kucinich comes off as a pacifist.
I am truly sorry to burst your bubble But Dennis Can't beat bush.
It pains me to say this as it pisses you off to hear it from me.
Some people see in their candidate all the greatness they are and can bring .
others see the superficial outside.
People supported Nader even though he couldnt in a million years defeat bush or even gore.
Kucinich isnt clicking with the electorate.
I am a diehard Clarkie he did'nt click either. Why I have no idea

[celticartemis]

47. Daggonit, GoPsUx

you're right!
:mad:

[revcarol]

48. Guess no one can tell the difference between a candidate who would

war against the world with PPI and have the pre-emptive doctrine and one that believes in war as a last resort and for self-defense.

:shrug:

[no name no slogan]

49. Security a big thing?

Go tell that to the primary voters so far. Most of them are more concerned about jobs and healthcare than they are with any "security threat" and color-coded "terror alerts" conjured up by Shrub and Co.

And as far as "scaring off the moderates", I think you're mistaken. Take a look at this article (PDF file) and see if you don't agree with its points.

Why should we, as Democrats, be so damned scared of losing the votes of a couple million finicky, indecisive "moderates" when we have 50% of the voting age population who DO NOT VOTE? If we even put forth 1/10th the effort we make toward swaying "moderates" toward getting left-leaning non-voters to the polls, we'd win in a second.

Look what courting "moderates" has done for this party in the last twelve years: we lost the US House, US Senate, majority of governorships, and only won the Presidency in '92 and '96 because of Ross Perot. We won '00, but because the vote was so close we lost it on a technicality.

Courting the so-called "moderate" vote only weakens our party and our power. Staying true to our Democratic roots and "on message" will strengthen not only our party, but our positions in government, too.

[Hav]

51. .

Thx, Tinoire for the welcome.I have been here shortly after Bush's coup though :).

And I can't vote for Kucinich because I am not an American. I most certainly would have if I were one.

[snoochie]

52. Is it really not noteworthy that they gave Kerry so much more time?

I mean come on! I understand how people get defensive and say they're really picking the candidate based on 'electability' but I'm becoming more and more convinced that this quality is defined solely by the corporate media. The corporate-owned media.

There was no reason to give Kerry 2 or 3 times as much time as the other candidates. Unless there's an agenda that far too many don't want to see.

And as far as proclaiming Kerry the winner - they are making it so painfully obvious that I'm surprised his supporters aren't bolting to other, less obviously corporate-approved candidates.

[snoochie]

53. Hello?

This wasn't a big deal to anyone else, then?