Not Enough Votes To Impeach?

[AZgirl7]

We are thinking in the steel box when we ASSUME there would not be enough votes in the senate for impeachment! IF they held the hearings, the MSM would HAVE to report on it. If most Americans could find out there was even a push for impeachment, and hear the evidence and the articles, Repugs would REALLY be nervous NOT to vote for it. If the whole world watched, as they voted to let the criminality go on, they know they would be done. That's why they 'framed' the PJ party as the DEMS filibustering. They could try to 'frame' the Bush crimes, but they'd look criminal themselves, TO THE WORLD. Maybe we can SHAME them out of their cabal.

Just a thought.

[greatauntoftriplets]

1. It is the House of Representatives that impeaches....

It then goes to the Senate for trial.

And there are not enough votes, the Democrats have a bare majority in the House and Senate.

[Truth2Tell]

2. Actually, they don't count the votes

until AFTER the trial.

So how do you have any idea how many votes there would be?

Weird, so many able to predict the future with such certainty here on DU.

Where do I stand in line to acquire such powers?

[asthmaticeog]

3. I'm coming closer and closer to concluding that 99% of DU flunked civics. nt

[greatauntoftriplets]

5. I know that and I didn't even have to take that test to graduate from 8th grade....

It wasn't required in Catholic schools...at least not back in the Dark Ages when I was schooled.

And how quickly people forget, given that an impeachment occurred less than 10 years ago!!!

[Vincardog]

4. If they criminal co conspirator's want to protect the Chimnpolini at the expense of the country and

their party let them go on record.
Make them lay down with the Fascists and Chimpolini.
Why do you want to give them the reward
(Letting the Chimp and his evil cabal free)
Without making them pay any price?

WTF do you (WE don't have the votes) defeatists have to gain by not fighting?

[AZgirl7]

6. OK then greatauntoftriplets

So there's nothing to my theory that there MAY be a chance for the 'climate' to change, if circumstances change? Such as the MSM actually reporting what is going on? THAT'S been our problem all along. Enough people simply don't KNOW!

[greatauntoftriplets]

8. Conviction and removal from office requires a 2/3 majority in the Senate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment

There is a general election 15 months away. It is not going to happen.

[PBass]

20. We don't need removal to make the important point

which is that illegal actions have consequences. Bush is breaking the law with illgal domestic surveillance. He even admitted it.

Do you think that Congress' action against Bill Clinton didn't have any impact? I sure think so! Not only was Clinton punished, his impeachment in the House will also make future presidents a lot more cautious about having an affair while in office.

If Congress does nothing about Bush, I expect our government to get even worse. Congress will have allowed themselves to become a joke. Not impeaching will also make the Democrats look incredibly weak.

[onenote]

21. Why do you assume that there sufficient votes in the House to start the process?

There are several dozen "blue dog" democrats that are from red-leaning, moderate to conservative districts. I have little doubt, based on the voting patterns of the blue dogs, that they would be disinclined to support a vote to start an impeachment process unless, as was the case in both the Nixon and Clinton impeachment processes when the first vote was taken to start the process, there is at least a modicum of bi-partisan support. And if you an point to some evidence that there are repubs in the House prepared to jump ship and support the commencment of an impeachment process, I would be very interested.

[pstans]

7. Don't count the votes in the Senate. Need a majority in the House to get it started

[sandnsea]

9. 42% still think the war was right

I swear some of you people just do not understand you are truly living in an insane asylum.

http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm

Christ, 67% think the condition of the natural environment is from fair to excellent.

http://www.pollingreport.com/enviro.htm

Most of this country does not believe A WORD Democrats or the left says. That is the key problem we have got to FACE and FIX. Impeachment isn't going to do squat to help that.

[AndyTiedye]

11. That CANNOT Be Fixed As Long as The Repiglickins Own the Media

[sandnsea]

12. It HAS to be

It's that damned simple. Whining and feet stomping is not a solution.

[AndyTiedye]

14. How?

[sandnsea]

16. Ways have been suggested

From dividing up and tackling internet news boards, to each of us flyering our town, to boycotting these bastards. Nobody cares. They just want to whine and bitch.

[ClassWarrior]

18. Oh that's right, bow down before your almighty overlords.

Give up, resistance is futile.

:eyes:

NGU.

[CK_John]

10. You made two major errors, First why would the M$M have to cover anything. Does

GE want hearings, does Disney want hearings, does Viacomm want hearings, does Murdock want hearing? I don't think so. Second why do you think they will attend any hearings or testify at any hearing. They are not getting any cooperation now and Bush won't even let resigned staff testify. What document of crimes do they have. Nada. They can't even get any eMails.

You can jump up and down all day and waste time and energy that will be lost to the campaign. Also I don't see any public interest in impeachment. I don't see any interest at all in anything DC does or doesn't do.

Sad, but that's the way it is.

[Dawgs]

23. Couldn't have said it better myself.

[BenDavid]

13. Why not spend our time better by trying

to get a democrat elected president. This impeachment crap was started by the so called far left blogs and forums that wish to create something where there is nothing.....Democrats in the house better think twice before they do this silly ass stunt because this will make bush go from a 30 per cent approval to 50 percent....The american people agree that bush is doing a bad job as president but to impeach him over this bad job they would not accept....
Government 101 says the house can impeach. Now if this happens just saaw me where in the u s senate you will find the 60 votes. This is a waste of time. Hell, bush is the worst president ever but womeone show me the charges you will bring against him and then show me the 11 to 12 hell maybe more republicans the senate will need to convict....
This is pure out stupid...

I do thank you
Ben David

[orleans]

15. think of it this way--

who is gonna vote for a democrat when the dems don't have the courage to stand up to george fuckhead.

the line of thinking might be if a dem doesn't have enough stomach for that then how the hell will they protect this country from another terra attack?

even the republicons are pissed at the fuckhead.

bruce fein--the dick who drafted the first article of impeachment against clinton--wants bush & cheney impeached.

go watch bill moyers journal--they did a one hour show on this topic.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/archives/index.html
look under july 13 and click on "tough talk on impeachment" watch


45% favor impeachment hearings on the fuckhead
54% favor impeachment hearings on darth cheney

and once impeachment proceedings begin, and the average person is made aware of all the crap this cabal has been up to, they will be calling their senators telling them to convict! and even if they don't--they will still have been impeached.

DOES PRINCIPLE AND ETHICS MEAN SO LITTLE TO EVERYONE?

[Bake]

17. Analogy: the Iraq filibuster by the Pukes.

Everyone knows that the American people are way ahead of their elected representatives on Iraq: the people want us out of Iraq, now. Even the Pukes know that (except for the 13% koolaid drinkers).

It's very likely the same with impeachment. Even though the public may favor impeachment, even though that support would likely increase wtih hearings and a trial, the Pukes don't give a rat's patoot about that. They are partisan to the core, as demonstrated by the filibuster last week.

Bake

[PBass]

19. Forget the Senate, the House must take action.

Bush/Cheney are changing the federal government for the worse: making Congress' oversight role irrelevant. They are setting a catastrophic precedent for future presidents: All a president has to do is get a strong Attorney General in office, then refuse to any oversight and refuse to prosecute wrong-doing.

If history shows that the House took no action, it will be a curse on the Democratic Party, IMO... (if all they care about is consolidating their own power, in the 2008t election... how crass!)

Think about Monica Lewinski... most Americans had no idea who she was, or how she got into the news. That awareness only happened because of IMPEACHMENT in the House. The Senate failed to convict, but the public awareness was raised. That's exactly what the Dems need to do, on the issue of illegal domestic spying.

Impeachment hearings in the House will raise awareness, that's all we can hope for (and that's a very worthy goal!). FORGET about removing Bush or Cheney, it probably won't happen and that's not the goal here: The goal is to stand up and defend the Constitution. If you think the only worthwhile outcome is removal, YOU ARE WRONG.

[Dawgs]

22. "the MSM would HAVE to report on it"

And you're accusing others of assuming... hah!!