so people who won't vote for Kerry

[ButterflyBlood]

what are you going to do on election night if Kerry wins? Think "dammit, now I failed to punish him for not conforming to my standards!" Be upset that we won't have 4 more years of Bush to "rally the left" or whatever"? Or just not care and think it's not different than if Bush won? Or maybe be secretly happy?

Or vice-versa? Will you be happy or not at all care? Think that it's no different than if Kerry won and not care at all?

I honestly can't see how anyone couldn't be happy if * was defeated. That's why this denial of votes strikes me as similar to child throwing a temper tantrum in the supermarket when their parents won't buy them all the candy they want.

[Bertha Venation]

1. Eh?

I'm a Dean supporter. Are you saying that you believe I will be happy if * beats the Democrat if it's not Dean?

Trying to understand.

[Kahuna]

2. The poster did not specify Dean supporters. Why did you

take it that way? Trying to understand. :shrug:

[Bertha Venation]

9. Maybe because I'm a Dean supporter.

:shrug:

As I wrote, I misunderstood ButterflyBlood.

[ButterflyBlood]

3. I'm not talking about supporters of other candidates

but rather people who would refuse to vote for Kerry in the GE if he wins the nomination. Support whoever you want in the primary.

[Bertha Venation]

7. I see. I understand better now.

edit: Thanks for explaining a little further. /edit

I'm surprised that any Democrat, or anyone who understands what * has done to us, would NOT vote for Kerry if he's the nominee. But I don't think I'd care to speculate that they'll exhibit joy if Kerry were defeated. JMO.

[waldenx]

4. what do you care?

Merely "beating" bush is YOUR low standard.
If you are happy wallowing in stagnation, then don't worry about other people.

[Kahuna]

8. This is a discussion forum. This is a topic for discussion...

If you don't like the topic you can easily ignore the thread altogether.

[roughsatori]

10. I agree. It is odd to see low standards promoted as if they are a heroic

stance to take. ABB seems to have become an excuse or rebuttal to even major flaws in a candidate. I do know that it lets a candidates supporter off the hook for having any kind of in depth political thought.

[virtualobserver]

5. I'll just be unhappy that we have a hollow pretense of reform....

rather than actual reform.

How foolish of me to expect real reform from the Hybrid party (formerly known as the Democratic Party)

[saltpoint]

6. If Kerry is the nominee and defeats * --

-- then I think the Democrats will have a very good night all around. We pick up a good handful of House seats, we pick up more Senate seats than anyone thought, and not least, we oust some very nasty people from the White House.

We take Ohio back from the Republicans this time.

Also West Virginia and Missouri.

We have a shot at Louisiana and Arkansas.

We take Florida, too. Again.

[dansolo]

18. I don't see that happening

The focus has been almost exclusively on Bush. Even if Kerry wins the election, he is going to lose seats in both the House and the Senate. We still have the Texas redistricting and five retiring Democratic Senators to deal with.

[saltpoint]

21. A Democratic win does not include a strong --

-- Democratic showing in other races, does it?

And why should it? I believe Ben Chandler is about to pick up a Democratic seat in Kentucky, for example. That's a blue seat gain in a real red state.

[Old and In the Way]

11. It's a no-lose position for the Kerry haters.

If Kerry wins, they benefit from a whole new agenda in Washington, as well as derailing of packed RW Supreme Court.

If we lose, they get to say "I told you so"....taking no ownership of the defeat at all.

[Bertha Venation]

12. "the Kerry haters" -- wtf?

I can see I'm going to have to spend a lot more time in GD2004. I haven't seen invective tossed Kerry's way like what's been chucked at other candidates.

[Old and In the Way]

16. Puhleese

I've seen way too many posts that state "I will never vote for Kerry, because___________".

OTOH, I, and almost every Kerry poster on this board, have made it quite clear we will support whoever wins the nomination.

[Bertha Venation]

25. Don't "puhleese" me, pal.

You've insinuated that I lied. Please read my post again -- take it literally, which is how you should've taken it the first time. See the part that says "I haven't seen?"

[Forkboy]

14. A whole new agenda?

nah...just a "hybrid" one.

[DFLforever]

13. Aren't you putting the cart before the horse?

There are only so many votes the nominee will get simply because he's not Bush. If Kerry is the nominee, he's going to have to WIN the votes of millions of people including Dem leaning independents. He's going to have to prove to the electorate that he would in fact be a better choice than Bush despite his support of Bush policies on Iraq, education, taxes, etc.

[edzontar]

15. I don't hate Kerry, and expect to vote for him...

WHEN and IF he wins the nomination.

This deespite the calls for purges and accusations of "trreason" I have been receiving for supporting him NOW--

Which seems insane to me, BTW.

[dansolo]

17. I live in Illinois

If Kerry can't win my state without my vote, then we are looking at a 50-state electoral landslide for Bush.

[Egnever]

19. A kerry win/loss

Allready ensures my apathy.

I doubt I will refuse to vote for him unless a true third way candidate emerges(bush is just that bad) However I will hold no joy in his being elected. If he were to loose I would likely take it as a vindication of my belief that he is our worst candidate left standing besides perhaps
Sharpton

IMHO kerry is everything I hate in politics and a win by him ensures a divorce from the democratic party. They will have proven undeniably that they do not represent me in any way. I will work from then on towards a third party emergance in this country.

The corporate stranglehold on america must end and Kerry will do nothing to stop it IMHO. Perhaps after four years of him in office I will feel diferently but I am not going to hold my breath.

I beleive we have a unique oportunity in this election to affect real change in american politics and we are giving that chance up out of fear. The general public overwhelmingly wants bush out I believe and will grasp at whatever line is thrown to them in order to get him out.

To see this oportunity squandered on someone that is so brazenly politically driven makes me see red.

One of the biggest problems with america right now is corporate controll of our media untill we change that we will continue to be slaves to our corporate masters. Kerry will do nothing to change this . In fact the few votes he thought important enough to show up for this past year were telecommunications bills, this alone says to me he is a corporate whore just like the rest.

No sory I will get no joy from a kerry presidency.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

20. If Tweedle DLC beats Bush, I'll be happy that bush is gone.

I won't be happy that the Democrats again surrendered to the moderate Republican wing of the party and ran another rightward drifting, gutless, politician that will "compromise" at the first drop in a poll.

I will be voting for my Democrat Rep and Senator who had the courage to go against the polls and vote their conscience. Something Kerry is sadly lacking.

[John_H]

22. because ibeing rad is sooooooo f'n rad, dudes!!!!!!

[spooky3]

23. It's still primary season. It's premature to be expecting

people to give up candidates still in the race to support your candidate in the GE.

[MrSoundAndVision]

24. I guess I'll....

have a martini.

I'm not looking to have my political beliefs reinforced, I don't need that. I guess I'll believe it when I see it, though I can't imagine corporate America (the media included) finding that John Kerry better represents their corporate well-being better than Bush, so they'll probably keep Bush.

It won't be your choice anyway.

[Atlant]

26. I actually think Kerry might win. But the Republicans will firmly hold...

I actually think Kerry might win. But the Republicans will firmly
maintain their hold on the House, the Senate, the Supreme Court,
most State Houses, most Governor's chairs, and the Media.

And the Kerry Presidency will be a dismal failure as a result.

I will have very little joy if Kerry wins, unless I'm very much
mistaken in my prediction above.

Atlant