Dean to Advisers: 'We Are Not Bowing Out' - 5 Minutes ago...

[mzmolly]

YEEEEEAAAAARRRRGGGGH! Just a little bit happy. ;)

WASHINGTON - Howard Dean (news - web sites)'s top advisers are urging him to abandon the Democratic presidential race if he loses Wisconsin's primary, officials said Sunday, but the former Vermont governor asserted, "We are not bowing out."

Dean, winless in 16 contests and badly trailing in Wisconsin polls, said in an interview with The Associated Press, "In fact, we are staying in the race. The forum we will use to stay in the race remains to be seen. Period. Anybody who says anything to the contrary has misspoken."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040215/ap_on_el_pr/dean&cid=694&ncid=2043

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[janx]

1. Ron Fournier again?

What is he up to now?

Something's squirrely.

[mzmolly]

2. Got me LOL. I'm thoroughly confused. But that's nothing unusual

:hi:

[John_H]

54. Classic Fournier

Rewarding those willing to read between the lines.

Dean's supporters and aids are trying to save him from himself, but Dean is saying no. So they're taking it public. Cummings goes public today. Gore leaks a "rumor." In this piece the aides take their case public too.

I bet a hundred bucks this is what happened. Dean's aides are telling him to quit, Dean is pushing back. Want to put some heat on the ol' boss? Call Fournier. Fournier calls Dean with the quotes from his aids. Dean says fuck them--but leaves the door wide open. Niel's not taking any chances and tries to have it both ways--somehow Dean's going to drop out without dropping out.

The good news is that Dean's going bye bye Tuesday. The bad news is they're trying to hang out to see if the intern causes Kerry to implode.

[diplomats]

3. Did you see this?

"The forum we will use to stay in the race remains to be seen."

Maybe he won't drop out but, as the story says, "redirect his efforts."

[madfloridian]

4. From Roy Neel just now.

From Roy Neel
There have been a lot of rumors around today about Gov. Dean's intentions after the Wisconsin primary (including the ridiculous, totally unfounded one that I am leaving the campaign). Some people associated with the campaign have said, some directly quoted and some on background, that Gov. Dean will shut down his campaign Tuesday night.

I just talked to Gov. Dean a few minutes ago and can tell you unequivocally, that no decision has been made about the nature of our campaign after Wisconsin, that he is determined to go forward, keep fighting, to advance the message of this movement all the way, to defeat George Bush, to change American politics. "I want to say to all of you who have been working so hard for so long for this campaign to keep the faith, keep fighting for what Dean for America is all about. I am with you all the way!"


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[diplomats]

6. Sounds like they're trying to figure out what exactly to do

"that no decision has been made about the nature of our campaign after Wisconsin, that he is determined to go forward, keep fighting, to advance the message of this movement all the way, to defeat George Bush, to change American politics."

[janx]

33. Thanks, MF!

It seems there's some really weird stuff going on. Infiltrators everywhere--from the media, from some sections of the party, etc., trying to sow some seeds of confusion and discontent.

[janx]

44. Look:

"Some people associated with the campaign have said, some directly quoted and some on background, that Gov. Dean will shut down his campaign Tuesday night."


MOLES! Moles associated with the campaign!

[WiseMen]

5. Guys, I have tried to tell what is going on. My message always gets locked

But, deny it or not. It is happenning.

Leadership of the Party and many in the rank and file are justifiably furious at Howard Dean’s in-cautious attacks on Kerry.

Dean is not a novice. He knows that Public Campaign Action Fund; Common Cause; and Joan Claybrook, Public Citizen, Sierra Club and the League of Conservation Voters are all left-leaning progressive groups. So when they all publicly come out and say that the “special interests” charges against Kerry “paints an inaccurate picture using an arbitrary statistic” and contains blatantly false information, MAYBE he should pause before using the right-wing hit pieces as part of his campaign rhetoric.

Political professional see Dean falling for the Republican bait. The real impression is that he may be either too inexperienced to recognize the damage that the RW propaganda could do when repeated by a Democrat or else too self-centered to restrain himself from using it and effectively being used.

The way Rove used the Drudge Ploy and the effect of Democratic factious squabbling showed how easy it was for the Republicans to manipulate Dean supporters into trashing the nominee. In the current environment of desperate campaigns, Democrats have become their own worst enemy.

It would have been great if we had the disipline to keep the campaign going without destroying the Party chances. But it doesn't look so.

Expect the following orchestrated events to close out the primary contest:

All major Unions will withdraw from Dean and unite behind Kerry
Gore, Harkin and a train of endorsers will put pressure on Dean to end attacks
Clinton will publicly urge party unity.

So we have the Corporate Media and Rove's minions are doing everything to keep the contest going, BUT now, because of what has happened over the last week, the Party is doing everything to end it on Tuesday.

[diplomats]

8. I'm not sure Dean's attacks are making much of a difference

I don't think he's hurting the party at this point. But that's just my opinion. :)

[WiseMen]

18. The First Repub HIT PIECE on Kerry is CREDIBLE ONLY because of Dean

Dean's attacks on Kerry "special interest" conflict was
delightfully broadcast all over the media repeatedly even
though it is highly misleading.

[janx]

34. Oh for pete's sake. Repubs always steal others' ideas

and use them to their own ends.

They did a commercial in Iowa based largely on other Dems' attacks on Dean (liberal lefty wildman, etc.).

[madfloridian]

9. The party is not supreme over the voters' voices. They power played us.

That was not a good thing.

All we did starting out was to support a candidate we believed in. As this has played out, we can see the handwriting.

That is not democracy. That is the party saying fall in line. There is no time for that.

That said, they are trying to silence the rest of the primary voters. That is just dead wrong.

[eileen_d]

12. Lest I be accused of sharing your opinion

merely because I don't support Dean... I do not buy your scenario.

Dean should stay in for whatever reason for as long as he and his supporters want him to. I don't like Dean, but there's no reason I shouldn't respect his right to stay in the race as much as I respect Kucinich's.

[Bertha Venation]

15. You have tried to tell what is going on?

That's mighty big of you, "Wise"Men. Thank you so for stooping from your height to enlighten us lowlies.

:eyes:

[edzontar]

19. As an arrogant citizen of a still somewhat democratic republic...

I reserve the right to disagree with the DNC poers that be and continue to support the only REAL alternative to Kerry that remains in the race.

I shall not be purged, nor am I guilty of "treason," for so doing.

[janx]

36. Good for you, edzontar.

And to Edwards's credit tonight, he reminded Kerry that the primary race is not over.

[mzmolly]

39. Yes he did Janx...

Good for Mr. Edwards...He can really go get em' when he wants to.

[mopinko]

35. and the osama ads?

when the democratic candidates run these kind of attack ads, without the guts to sign their names, they have no f*&^in business crying about
"destroying the Party chances"

[maxanne]

52. your proof of this is

where?

[Duder]

7. To Boston!!!

:toast:

[MurikanDemocrat]

10. Careful

"The forum we will use to stay in the race remains to be seen."

This announcement is not an assurance that he will actively campaign or compete in the remaining states.

[madfloridian]

11. No, it isn't .

You are so right.

[mzmolly]

16. "Were staying in the race."

That's the part I like. :)

[Anwen]

13. Right on, Dr. Dean!!

We need to keep him in this race. :toast:

[Bertha Venation]

14. Excellent!

Thanks, mzmolly.

[mzmolly]

17. No problem.

:hi: ;)

[mbee]

20. The Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party should form a new

party that lets the people decide who their nominee will be not the elites!

[mzmolly]

22. I think they are going to form an alternate to the DLC. Which would be

faster and more effective than a new Party altogether in my most humble opinion. ;) But your larger point is well taken.

Off to watch the debates! :hi:

[Dookus]

24. The People

ARE deciding. We're having primaries and caucuses where individuals go out and vote. They're voting overwhelmingly for Kerry.

[madfloridian]

29. What % of the people is that?

Up to now? Florida, NY, CA have not voted yet. Lots of states have not voted. How do you know? Polls?

[mzmolly]

30. Actually KERRY had 6 Million dollars to buy himself some time...

which is not what I had in mind personally.

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[kermit]

48. Well said...but

it's more important to win the Presidency back from the GOP than to start a new revolution. I'll not begrudge anyone that decides to vote Green or Indy if Kerry or Edwards gets the Dems vote, but I will say that I won't go that way. Last time I wrote in instead of voting for Gore, and I wish I hadn't. I won't make the same mistake again, not with this much on the line.

Dean for America.

[DFLforever]

23. The Dean Movement has won over Dean from his advisers!!

But that is one contest I always knew we'd win!

Plus there's an old campaign manager on hand if the present one should feel 'party loyalty' beckon.

I was at a fundraiser with Dr. Dean this week where everyone made it clear we wanted him to stay in this race through our caucuses March 2. As for me, I want him in through Boston!!

[maddezmom]

25. some of his aides need to bow out

for talking either on the record and off the record, before checking with Dean. Kick them to the curb.

[Tinoire]

26. AMEN!!!! Fire them and replace them!

Do not allow the kind of coup they led against Clark. (Just my opinion that that's what they did to Clark based on too many things I read & observed over the last few months).

[mopinko]

37. here here np

[janx]

40. Yes, it seems that some (probably one or two) did just that.

Not good.

But I'm so pleased that Neel was honest enough and cared enough to let Dean supporters know what the hell was going on.

Some of it was party mischief, some was media mischief, and a very small amount was from within the campaign.

Thanks for your kind comment, maddezmom.

[Tinoire]

28. I think that Dean supporters have made it clear they would mortgage

their homes if need be. Hope it NEVER comes to that but you get my drift.

Dean can raise more money.

[janx]

41. Yep. Most of us have really scraped to give what we've given

so far, but we'll find ways of raising more money and sending it. (And we're not generally ignorant or easily taken for a ride, as some have suggested on these boards.)

[mzmolly]

31. Oh DFL how I wish I could have gone to the Fund Raiser...

It sounds like it was a great time.

[arewethereyet]

27. he also said he would drop out if he lost Wisconsin

its possible he could change his mind on this as well. There IS prescident.

[mzmolly]

32. Actually what he said was "Wisconsin is a must win"

the statement was immediately spun by the media, and Dr. Dean clarified to indicate that he intended to remain in the race. I believe he will do just that.

[janx]

43. Everybody is so darned eager for Dean to drop out!

The Republicans do, the DLC leadership does, the media do...

It has never been clearer.

[mzmolly]

49. Yep, that was the goal doncha know...

;)

Little did they know that Dr Dean isn't going away. One way or another we will be a force to reconed with...

[arewethereyet]

45. yeah, right

whatever you say

[mzmolly]

47. No please what ever YOU say...

:P

[diamondsoul]

53. I thought that was followed with an "or"-

something to the affect that the campaign wouldn't continue, but I forget the exact quote?

Asking for my own peace of mind, not to suggest Dean should quit. I hate memory lapses and I can't find the quote for some reason.:crazy:

I will say again, unequivocally, I DO NOT LIKE the way Dean is being dumped on from all angles! He's not my own first choice, however I'm fast being convinced there are only two men left in this race worth voting for and they are Howard Dean and Dennis Kucinich. Kerry's performance in the debate tonight clinched that for me. He avoided, bsed, refused to go after Bush's jugular and acted as if his nomination was already in the bag.

No, Senator, you still have some serious work to do to convince some of us you're anything but a typical politician blowing in the wind.

[GRClarkesq]

38. Going into "wait and see" mode on a Kerry implosion

Dean would still have to be on the playing field if he hoped to benefit.

[John_H]

55. Exactly--but he won't be able to. The media will call it a drop out.

[lurk_no_more]

42. Gee I hope he stays in

the more votes he takes from Edwards the better it is for Kerry, looks like it's a runaway train heading into November.

Congrats dean supporters.



And then there were none!
” JAFO”

[mzmolly]

46. So the assumption here is that Dean/Edwards have the same base?

I doubt that personally. :hi:

[lurk_no_more]

50. No, but if dean wasn't in the race a lot of his voters would

vote for Edwards instead of Kerry, dean's staying in only hurts Edwards.

Then again I support Kerry so it's great by me that dean stays in.



And then there were none!
” JAFO”

[janx]

51. Yeah, I don't think they have the same base.

There could be a little overlap though.

[John_H]

56. Kick