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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 03:30 PM
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Poll question: why isnt gore the president today?
Edited on Sun Feb-15-04 03:39 PM by corporatewhore
edit clarity
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 03:38 PM
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1. 4 and 5
combo, primarily. The media and the Republicans also lied relentlessly about Gore, and he was not able to counteract it.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 04:53 PM
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18. should have been 2 and 3.
Don't know how I got four and five.
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waylon Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 03:40 PM
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2. Electoral count ?
Someone explain to me how that system works. Is it representative, ie... each million voters = 1 electoral vote?

I thought I understood it, but i guess i dont. How, if the electoral college represents the voters, can you win the popular but lose the electoral?

danka
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nayt Donating Member (164 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 09:00 PM
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19. i think
number of electors = size of the state's congressional delegation.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 09:37 PM
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21. It's a sop to the smaller states, really
State by state, winning party gets to appoint all the electoral voters, which equal the size of the congressional delegation -- except in Maine, where the electors are appointed proportional to the vote. Then the electoral college votes for the president, usually straight down party lines. There was some effort by Dems in 2000 to get a couple of Florida electors to defect, but it didn't pan out. The electors are typically tight with the party machinery.

The net effect is smaller states get over-represented by population.

Hope that helps.
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bushwakker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 03:40 PM
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3. Media trashed him
actually amazing that he still won. the dc press corps is now subjecting awol to the kind of scrutiny he should have gotten four years ago.
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 03:41 PM
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4. All of the above except God
You can't just find one reason for an event in a complex system such as an election.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 03:42 PM
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5. None of the Above
Answer: because our corporate masters didn't want him.

Interesting you didn't give that option, considering your nick.
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AmericanErrorist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 09:06 PM
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20. That's Ridiculous
The corporate elite didn't really care.
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Goldberg Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 03:44 PM
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6. He is the President...
Edited on Sun Feb-15-04 03:45 PM by Goldberg
he was screwed out of Florida...remember? Oh, and the Supreme Court selected Bush president, too. :grr:
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 03:46 PM
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7. Democrats Kept Hammering Him and Supporting Repub Personal Slams
Edited on Sun Feb-15-04 03:50 PM by WiseMen

The usual --

Unprincipled! Both Sides of issues
Wooden.
Preoccupied with wardrobe

No different than Bush

Etc.
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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 04:14 PM
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10. Got a link to back that up? (n/t)
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CalebHayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 04:12 PM
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8. 1,2,3,5 And JL
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 04:13 PM
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9. A combination of things but he ran a crappy campaign I thought...
Yes, the supreme court made a bad decision and their were numerous shady circumstances. But it shouldn't have been close enough ANYWHERE for them to have had that option.

1)He distanced himself from a popular and succesful president. The fact is only repukes HATED Clinton and they weren't going to vote for Gore no matter what.
2)He chose a lackluster, boring running mate who although helping in Florida, did nothing to calm people who saw Gore as a panderer to the anti-Clinton feelings.
3)Every time there was a criticism of him he reacted in a way that made it seem like he was changing in order to address the criticisms, no matter how stupid they may have been.
4)He never once bothered to correct the many false stories about his so-called lies.

In short, he didn't put up a fight and allowed not only the right to dictate his candidacy but also the left in the form of the Naderites.
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andym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 04:17 PM
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11. Other
1) He was a poor media candidate, he did not come across consistently well on TV.

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2) His populist message should have been combined with taking credit for his contributions to the "Clinton/Gore" economy and promising more of the same.









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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 04:18 PM
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12. I voted for weak campaign
but would add the Supreme Court, dirty tricks in Fla, and the failure to support the Black Caucus if we could vote more than once. But a better campaign might have given him the votes to surmount all that. If he had sounded in the campaign more like he sounds lately, he might have won by a margin large enough to be beyond dirty tricks.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 04:23 PM
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13. All but the God answer.
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 04:28 PM
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14. He didn't use the Big Dog.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 04:32 PM
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15. 2,3, 4, and 6.
Plus: the american people mostly sat around while a coup was underway.

Our Founding Fathers would be ashamed of most of us.

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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 04:36 PM
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16. All of the above except God
& the Dem Party failed to come through & fight like the Repugs did.

Maybe people thought Bush was too stupid to be taken seriously.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 04:46 PM
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17. I would say 1, 2, and 3
But I chose 1 because I believe that to be the most important reason. If he had run a truly strong campaign, I believe it would not have gotten close enough for Bush to steal.
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 09:39 PM
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22. 1, 2, 3, and 4
5 is, well, absurd - and 6 (media) aren't and weren't helpful ever, in the last 25 years.
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 09:41 PM
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23. a combination of
1, 2, 3, 5 and 7
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 09:45 PM
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25. OMG - I lost count myself... It's 1, 2, 3, 4, *and* 5
6 is absurd ("because God wants it") and 7 is the media thing.

Oops!

That's what quick typing gets me... :cry:
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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 09:41 PM
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24. 1,2,3,7
combination of them
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 09:45 PM
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26. You forgot Clinton's Penis n/t
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MurikanDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 09:46 PM
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27. Several of the above
campaign mistakes

the supreme court

Nader


The MOST responsible being Kathrine Harris/dirty voting tactics and the media

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HuskerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 09:49 PM
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28. Running AWAY from Clinton, boring boring boring
He spent 8 years in one of the most successful administrations in history and he chose not to capitalize on it.

He delivery was stiff and condescending. That was no media creation, it was fact. He sounded like my mom's doctor, whom I cannot stand because he is so damn stiff and condescending.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 09:50 PM
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29. Because we didn't take to the streets
and fucking RIOT when the Supreme Court decision came down.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 09:58 PM
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30. Classic case of an overdetermined phenomenon
Several of the choices would be, by themselves, sufficient reason for Al Gore to lose. Taken together, one can almost give credence to the wingnut "God wanted bush", because the deck was certainly stacked against Gore.
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