Heartfelt piece of advice to Dean supporters

[WilliamPitt]

If Dean loses in Wisconsin and doesn't drop out, watching television will be a brutal experience for Dean supporters.

It has been hard to avoid the number of nails these CNN guys have pounded into Dean's coffin after every primary. They're really enjoying themselves. I mean, the glee on their faces has been both awesome and terrible to behold.

But because Dean (mistakenly, imho) stated he'd be gone if he didn't win WI, and then backed away from that statement, the TV guys will literally be howling like monkeys. It will be an unrestrained savaging.

My advice to Dean backers: Shoot your television on Monday night. You want no part of that.

[hellhathnofury]

1. Very sincere Will.

Some of us don't really care what mediawhoredom thinks. It's quite sad so many Americans let their thinking be done by these scoundrels. Will?

:eyes:

:nuke:

[WilliamPitt]

2. All I know

is that it's gonna be gross. Foul. Over the top. Not worth your attention.

[hellhathnofury]

4. And it hasn't been for the last 5 months for the most part?

[WilliamPitt]

5. It'll be worse

if you can believe it. 'Scream Speech' worse.

[KoKo]

35. I keep saying that whatever happened with Dean, and we don't know the

whole story right now, there will be much anger that will need someplace to go.

The anger over "Selection 2000" and the "Iraq Invasion" which Dean expressed, and the alliance with Gore means that a wing of the party has been silenced for now. Gore has been, in effect, trashed twice by his party and those of us who saw the possibilty of change have been routed.
My sense is that will come back around in ways we don't know yet to haunt our Party. It will come back to bite.


Edited for redundancy.

[billbuckhead]

3. Shoot your TV?

I can't go there, but maybe those who are petitioning the NRA to endorse Dean would like to comment.

<http://www.boomundo.com/dean/nra.htm>

[patricia92243]

6. Let's not assume Dean loses. He needs to stay in the race because I'm...

afraid it looks like Kerry might be going down in flames. Somebody needs to be there to pick up the pieces and that somebody needs to be Gov. Dean.

About the TV part, I think the talking heads are finding it pretty boring without Dean and will get more boring if time goes on without him - which will hurt their ratings. So for all their bally-hoo, I think in the long run they might be for Dean.

Actually, on second thought, I may be wrong on that. The press might have month's of fun with the story of "Kerry and the Intern".

[diplomats]

16. I doubt Kerry will go down in flames

[Old and In the Way]

17. Correction: You hope he goes down in flames.

[TheDonkey]

7. hmm perhaps Dean should stay in the race

and be the target of all the right wing media whores while leaving our viable canidates free from such brutal attacks.

The pundints are salivating for another "scream" speech.

[chocolateeater]

30. Thank you.

I was wondering when a Kerry supporter would realize that.:)

[burned]

8. Dean's supporters

Are the ones that talked him into staying in after Wisconsin.
He is abiding by his special interests wishes that he not give up.
If we want to have any chance at changing things we have to stay the course, there is NO way it will happen if we just quit.

[virtualobserver]

9. I think that Bush and Kerry will pummel each other, then a 3rd party....

candidate will rise up.

[Doctor Panacea]

10. Agree that it is sad

Will, I agree with you, and thanks for the sentiments. I have been a Dean supporter. You mentioned CNN. Even worse are the creeps on Fox News and MSNBC. (Everyone fails to mention MSNBC in railing against CNN and Fox.)

I would rather support almost any one of the Democratic candidates over the one who will presumably be the nominee.

[mzmolly]

11. I wonder why the powers that be are not encouraging Dennis to *drop out*?

I heard he gave it to Kerry good the other eve. The commentary doesn't even include him? I dont get it...

[diplomats]

14. Because he's not on the radar screen as a top-tier candidate

Dean is.

[mzmolly]

18. Right, and I think the bottom tier should drop out before the top tier.

:shrug:

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[mzmolly]

44. Here now! It was *heartfelt* damnit!

:P ;) Just jokin with ya Mr P...

[progressivebydesign]

12. Thanks for the concern...

..but I think I feel worse for Kerry supporters right now. Dean's in second place.. why exactly would he drop out? I'm not moving out of the way for King Kerry's procession to the nomination. I'm enjoying this week, watching the stupid marketing phrase "electability" get its ass kicked by sex scandal rumors. I'm wondering how those people feel.. the ones that voted their second choice in Kerry, because he was oh-so "electable". Now they realize, what I've been saying all along. Electabilty it a myth. It's a DLC created buzz word. It's meaningless, because you never know what could be hiding around any corner.. a rumor, a fact, an innuendo. I applaud those that voted with their heart so far, and those that will continue to do so. The time to vote for electability is AFTER we have a nominee, in the general election. All it is now is trying to predict the general election.

[Dookus]

19. exactly how

did the rumors kick Kerry's ass?

He did pretty well in two caucuses yesterday, didn't he? Well... more than pretty well - ran away with them.

The rumor has gotten 100 times more play here on DU than anywhere else. That's disgusting.

[Armstead]

13. What about Kucinich?

Should he get out too because his presence will upset the kerry applecart.

Personally, I'd like to see both of them (and Sharpton) take it all the way to the convention, and use their delegates and presence as a constant "reminder" to the pooh-bahs that they cannnot take the conserns these candidates represent for granted.

Let's have a good old political convention that really is a convention, not a coronation of Kerry and the DLC.

[Cheswick2.0]

40. I'd like to see a wholesale brawl on the convention floor

I'd like to see that exactly because of the party propaganda that we are more united than ever.

I particularly love it when the party pshyc-ops here on DU repeat the mantra. Orwell lives indeed.

[NashVegas]

49. He Doesn't Have to Drop Out

Dennis (and Sharpton) makes Kerry (and to a lesser extent, Edwards) look like the only option if Dean's not around.

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[rucky]

22. I thought you wanted other people to agree about the media's treatment

of Dean?

You don't have to be a Dean supporter to see how he's been unfairly betrayed. Every Democrat should be concerned.

[Nazgul35]

29. Have I been a big proponent of that argument

or are you just projecting an attitude about Dean supporters on me?

Personally, I think that had Kerry been in Dean's position the same thing would have happened....oh wait...it did already...

Remember Kerry was the front runner first...and what did the media do to him?

My response has nothing to do with how Dean has been treated by the media and everything to do with how he was treated on this forum...

[rucky]

39. Search my posts

more people agree with you than you think. It's not you & Dean against the world. Just that the minority of loudmouths get all the attention on DU - or any other internet forum, for that matter. All I'm saying is that most people mean what they say here. It sucks that a pack of troublemakers have made people suspicious of any sincerity, support & sympathy that crosses the silly lines we've drawn here. Democrats first. Candidates second.

[edzontar]

20. I assume you are giving the same advice to Kucinich?

Should HE stay in too?

If so, why the double standard?

[WilliamPitt]

34. Where did I say Dean should get out

For God's sake, READ.

[edzontar]

56. You SUGGESTED that we all give up and STOP WATCHING

Which certainly suggests that you think we are uniquely and permanently doomed, and that Dean should bow out to spare us any further pain and suffering....so what else am I to think?

In other words, I did read, and got the message loud and clear.

[Brian_Expat]

21. If I cared what the media thought. . .

. . . I'd never have signed on to the Dean campaign at all.

[chocolateeater]

25. Thank you for your concern.

I think you are right, they probably will be merciless to Dean. I'm not going to shoot the TV though, I'll probably just watch CSPAN or CSPAN2.
It depends which one has the election coverage on it. Yes, I know the callers can be obnoxious, but not as much as the people on the news networks.

edited to add a 2

[LizW]

27. Unrestrained savaging? Oh, NO, anything but that!

What will we doooooooo?

Can my delicate sensibilities withstand the mighty media pundits ridiculing my candidate, and me?

Can I stand having my judgement questioned by such wise men and women?

What if they call us fools? (sob)

What if they say we are silly and foolish?

What if they call us ..........unpatriotic?

Oh, my god, what if they say we're HURTING THE PARTY?????

I wonder if I can bear the humiliation.

:eyes:

[KoKo]

37. Nicely said, LizW!

:toast:

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[candy331]

32. I suppose this is a humble

admission that you are really scared of Dean and what he and supporters envision for the good of the country. Right?

[w4rma]

42. Pitt's correct in his description. Notice also that he isn't advocating

that Dean drop out.

[edzontar]

57. Some of us can read between the lines....

nt

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[drfemoe]

33. Dean never told ME

he was going to drop out after WI. I received the original email which the media spun to imply that he would drop out if he didn't win WI. That's not the way I read the email at all. I'm already too aware of the media spin and bias to be surprised by ANYTHING AT ALL they choose to pull. That's why I hardly ever watch tv to begin with. I don't own one. I'll have to save that bullet for something else.

Shoot your television on Monday night.
ps I suppose you meant "Tuesday" night ...

36. I shot my television a long long time ago.

You're right, though Will. I'm afraid I'm going to be REALLY glad I did in the next few days.

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[Cheswick2.0]

41. Ps, Dean never said he would quite if he didn't win WI

no matter how other people like to spin it. I know what he said and what he meant.

[LizW]

45. Thanks for pointing this out n/t

[MidwestMomma]

43. It's good advice but probably won't be taken

Will tried to tell us Clark supporters last Tuesday night to step away from the TV but did I listen? No. I watched all the pundits watch his speech that night with baited breath and anticipatory glee. (For god's sake, they even cut away from KERRY to go to the Clark's speech they were soooo excited to see him go.) And when he didn't give them what they wanted, they started the hunt for SOMEONE in the Clark campaign to confirm he was dropping out. And the same media that couldn't find their ass with both hands became true 'newshounds' and did not give up the hunt until the quarry was found.

It was painful and sad and maddening but I watched it all. Probably because I thought I needed to be there for Clark until the bitter end. And the Dean supporters will probably feel the same way.

[madfloridian]

46. You don't get it.

This is not about him anymore, and he knows it. And he does not expect it to be about him. It is about something we lost as a country.

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

47. It never was about him

Few people voted for him.

The country lost a second-rate politician.

[NashVegas]

48. I'm Not Too Worried About It

Because if for some reason the DNC power-brokers and their favored puppets go on a rampage Monday night (I thought the primary was on a Tuesday?), they'll be showing themselves for what they are: anti-Democratic despots.

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[LittleDannySlowhorse]

51. If I owned a firearm...

... I would have already "Elvis-ed" my TV about 400 times since Iowa. I'm backing my guy to the bitter end, but yes, the TV has been a physically painful appliance of late.

[diamondsoul]

52. The reactions here are stunning

proof that your assessment of what will happen is right on the mark. They'll watch and get about a thousand times more angry than they are at this post which has been completely misinterpreted in its intent.

No good deed or kind word goes unpunished.

[Colin Ex]

54. For real, man.

Pitt insinuates that if Dean loses Wisconsin, then the media is going to have a field day with it. Makes sense, doesn't it? I mean, Dean supporters here have been kvetching about coverage of the candidate since day one.

Pitt's remarks came off as "I sympathize with you guys, it's gonna be ugly" and you grill him for it. That's kind of over-the-top, don't you think?

-C

[ibegurpard]

53. Nice to see you've kept your sense of humor.

eom

[jpgray]

55. I agree--you Dean folks remember the evisceration of Kerry when he was low

Every day they'll declare your guy to be a joke for running, call his campaign inept, call his message confused and weak compared to the others, you'll just have to soldier on. Good luck.