Clark is a life-long Bush Republican and Stalking Horse for Bush Jr.

[Kolesar]

Personally, I have always felt that the skeptical, well-informed, Bush-hating Democrats never needed to be "led" by a man like Wesley Clark. Here is Mr. Hulet's take on it:

http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_5132.shtml

...EXCERPT...

Wesley Clark, a consummate "insider," corporate player upon retirement, millionaire with a little help from his friends and, in my opinion a stalking horse for the Bush family regime. These are a few things I didn't add to my original analysis and one embellished by new evidence.

Clark's recent statements to the press immediately below give further and damning evidence that Clark is a life-long Bush Republican and Stalking Horse for Bush Junior. He leaves the Democratic race, stabbing the Democrat's only (remaining) front runner in the heart over an "intern," Clinton-like issue: It's Monica Lewinski all over again. He then proclaims his support for Kerry (in military jargon it is called CYA). In my previous article I stated, "He handed Bush the race, by handily handing Hannity Kerry's head on Platter!" Limbaugh, O'Reilly and Savage will savage Kerry; it will be felt all through the race; trickle-down will bleed Kucinich and Dean into pale weak obscurity." I hope I am wrong but it will be up to the mainstream media to decide whether they "ought to" go after Kerry after what Clark has done, or take the disingenuous "support" statement as the one to follow. In any case the deed was done. I will repeat the Matt Drudge story for historical reasons and a look further at Wesley Clark will then be our focus. I give you Matt Drudge's Report:

...SNIPPED...

Wesley Clark (the consummate team player!) trashed the front runner running against George Bush Junior before leaving the race, after Clark spent five months bleeding off millions (maybe as much as $50 million) of dollars all of the other legitimate candidates would have gotten; bled off support from a significant sector of Democratic support and endorsement (Hollywood and the Michael Moore groupies); used himself to discredit the credibility of all the other candidates, then cut and run. (The Clark campaign headquarters had just e-mailed me the day before he dropped out that Clark was raising $1 million a week; when he suddenly dropped out of the race).

Clark is not who he says he is, in my humble opinion, as the evidence I developed originally makes that case. Clark is well-known in the military (as my article took great pains to document) as an opportunistic, pragmatic, preener, brown-noser and ass-kisser; he will say and do anything to get ahead.

...ARTICLE CONTINUES...

[BootinUp]

1. Oh the Humanity! Will the man ever be welcomed

by the people he fought for?


UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE

[Catch22Dem]

3. Yeah no shit!

Not only that, but if he's such a bushie, why do they all hate him with a passion?

[liberalnurse]

19. There is reasonable doubt since Clark has

never held public/political office and he just became a democrat officially in September, 03. Skepticism is not about the man and his service record but Clark is essentially a rooky.....I see Clark in a Cabinet position first.......thats a great civil/political beginning.

I support and encourage our voters to be alert and informed about all candidates. Let us not forget that we really want to get *bush on a one way ride back to Crawford.......Folks only are being careful as there will be 4 years of consequence's with *bush.....

[Lefta Dissenter]

38. just so you're better-informed on your future

Sec of State, VP, or whichever post Clark may end up with, you might want to check out www.Clark04.com to see Clark's voter registration from 2002, when he registered as a Democrat. I know you're interested in being accurate in your reporting.

Also, if you do a little more research on the positions that Clark has held throughout his military career, you'll realize that he has had more experience relevent to civil issues than all of the rest of the candidates put together - and that doesn't even begin to touch on his diplomatic experience!

Thanks for your interest in General Clark! :hi:

[Adelante]

42. Yes, May 2002

That is correct, Vote_Clark.
:hi:

[Mobius]

53. Dean People are getting real desperate

Quite Sad really

[Guava Jelly]

2. Clark is a gift to the Democratic party

quit looking the gifthorse in the mouth!
The democrats have allways been catagorized by the other size as being weak on security.
Tell a 4 star gen he's weak on security.

[mmonk]

4. Was

Ronald Reagan a stalking horse for democrats? Such unreasoned thinking is hardly worth a response.

[Kolesar]

8. Ronald Reagan is not mentioned in the article

[mmonk]

15. Giving credence to hit pieces

because Clark was not always a dem (was unaffiliated) is an underlying thought behind the rumor that Clark was trying to take the dem front runner down. RR was a dem that became a repub. Using the same thought processes, RR, a lifetime dem before he switched to the repubs, the same argument could be made in that in his campaign, he ran against repubs.

The "intern" smear is just a way of saying it.

[in_cog_ni_to]

5. That is just too ridiculous

for words. :eyes:

[Greylady]

46. I agree

When he entered the race, he was a Stalking Horse for Hillary, now he's one for Bush? Damn, he's good!!

[Lefta Dissenter]

6. self-deleted

before I even post it. :nuke:

[boxster]

37. Hehe. One more post self-saved...

from the warning list!

I do that often.

[Adelante]

7. Mr. Hulet is very popular this week

Day in, day out ... :eyes:

[lancdem]

9. Clark did not leak the Kerry/intern story

It was an attempt by Drudge and the GOP to smear him, and it looks like the author fell for it. Pure garbage.

[MoonRiver]

10. More rightwing trash journalism. More to come. Get ready.

We can take down * with the TRUTH, not vicious spin. Don't even have to smear him, just demand the facts and keep talking about them. The most important thing is to never become intimidated by the thugs. Junkyard bullies only win if their victims run. Stand em down and they're too chickenshit to fight.

:nuke:

[maddezmom]

11. not sure

but I think Hulet is a lefty :shrugs:

[Leilani]

12. "bleeding off millions from other candidates"

What Trash!

How many people here donated to Wes & said they had never donated money to a candidate before?

I think Wes could take a blood oath, & it won't be enough.

[Crunchy Frog]

68. I think that's meant to imply

that he was *shock* a competitive candidate, and the other "legitimate" candidates actually had to spend money to compete against him.

How utterly diabolical of him.

[libview]

13. This is total crap,

everyone knows Clark was put in this race to derail the Dean campaign, so Hillary doesn't miss her chance in "08"
He did his job very well.
Why else would his whole team be a "who's who" of Clinton loyalist?

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

21. well that's what they say on FreeRepublic

but I don't believe it

[Carolina]

28. why else

because they believed in another Arkansan from humble roots who made it on his own through his intelligence and natural talents! Perhaps they were hoping for another Arkansas miracle.

[Tim_in_HK]

14. Dilly-dupey-dupe-dupe

and also, ZZZZZzzzzzzz

:tinfoilhat:

[Adelante]

43. Oh, thanks, forgot!

:tinfoilhat:

[BootinUp]

50. Put your hats on!

Thanks for the reminder, hee hee :tinfoilhat:

[lurk_no_more]

16. Ah! another "Axis of Logic" hit piece on a Democrat

If nothing else, their consistent.

I find it amazing that so many are afraid of Clark even after he's gone, just like Bill Clinton.

It's articles like this that confirm that I was right in choosing Clark as my #1 choice.

Be afraid Mr. Hulet, be very afraid!



And then there were none!
” JAFO”

[LandOLincoln]

31. First of all, Clark is not gone, he's still very much around.

Second, I'm amused and pleased that the wingnuts at both ends of the spectrum hate his guts, since I frankly don't see much difference between the two extremes. In a world where Amy Goodman carries water for the RNC, anything is possible.

Third...aaahh hell, why bother. The tinfoil tots have their Sunday hats on. Let 'em blather.

[PatrioticOhioLiberal]

17. Hulet's latest breaking

investigative scoop:

The Moon Really Is Made Of Blue Cheese...

The intrepid reporter, Hulet, has irrifutable PROOF! "I've retrieved the golf ball that skittered across the crumbly blue surface," Hulet says. "It is currently in a secure location...along with my favorite tin foil hat."

:crazy:

[OKNancy]

18. I've alerted this

this is a dupe ofhttp://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=326462


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=323155


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=322865

---------
As I said in the other..... this is made up shit that anyone could write. God people, just becuase some asshole writes stuff on the internet doesn't make it true, or post-worthy.

Edit: and before anyone says it is not the same article, it is....it is the "condensed version"

[Crunchy Frog]

Do you enjoy rubbing salt

in peoples raw wounds. If Kerry is your candidate you are doing him an extreme disservice, since many Clark people are no following the General into the Kerry camp, and this sort of thing is not very welcome.

If you are the supporter of another candidate, he will be dropping out soon too. Do you want us rubbing salt in your wounds at that point?

This is the sort of sadistic and hateful behavior that I would expect to see on a right wing site.

I will certainly remember this post, and if your candidate is someone other than Kerry, will be waiting eagerly to rub salt in your wounds when the time comes.

[Shanty Oilish]

20. Thoughts of one who'd never vote for him

I read the article. I don't know any more than I did before, and that's the real problem I have with Clark. There's no sufficient reason to believe he's: a Democrat, a Republican, a stalking horse for Bush or the Clintons or whomever. He was asking people to take him at his word, and elevate him to the presidency---that's a lot of blind faith to put in someone who publicly praised the Bush team.

I don't know what happened at Waco while Clark was in command. I do know about the SOA and if Clark isn't plain lying, he's a fool to defend it.

To me, Clark is all about credibility. Either you believe he's glorious because he makes a glorious impression on you, or you don't because he doesn't. For me, he doesn't, and that he asked for so much trust with so little collateral, that is one definite, negative thing I know.

By all means read the article, but don't expect to learn anything from it. If Clark's an illusion, he's a real good one.

[mmonk]

23. glorious?

What a choice of words. I didn't support Clark because I thought he was glorious. I watched him on CNN before he ran. I read his books. I listened to him on the radio take on the neocons. The fact he was a retired general made what he said more powerful in that bushco and the repubs were pushing the idea that to question their policies was unpatriotic. Saying that to a general wouldn't wash.

His internationalism helped in his appeal to me as well. I didn't set out looking for "glorious". I did not choose him in anyway "blindly". Not even close.

[Cheswick2.0]

26. perhaps vain-glorious would have been a better choice of words

based on some of the threads here glorifying his macho military being.

[mmonk]

35. Not biting

I'm tired of all the flame attacks. I'm ready to take the country out of bush's hands.

[lurk_no_more]

36. Some are drawn to Glory

Others Mediocrity!




And then there were none!
” JAFO”

[Crunchy Frog]

40. Your candidate will be out soon

Karma can be a real bitch. I would watch the rubbing of salt into wounds of people whose candidate had the dignity and grace to bow out when he knew that he had no realistic shot, rather than staying on and continuing to milk his supporters for more money after tearing through 40 million like a drunken sailor, and knowing that he no longer has a shot at the nomination.

The salt will be coming to your own wounds soon enough.

[PatrioticOhioLiberal]

41. So to what

should we attribute the mass suicide going on in the Dean Camp?

Perhaps the old adage, Doctor's believe they are Godis based on some truth?...mmmmmmmm and that kool aid tastes so good.

[GodHelpUsAll2]

48. So to whom

can we give credit for this "solid" information? Fox??? Rush???? MSNBC???? Has someone actually "witnessed first hand" this so called sucide or do they assume as usual because Fox News said so???? Funny how news is credible, then it's not, then it is, then it's not. Oh hell it depends on what they have to say that instant and if it agrees with me or not.

[PatrioticOhioLiberal]

72. What is even funnier

is Dean saying he will drop out after (insert state here) and then saying he won't.

Ping pong anyone?

And I've got a closet full of heat wraps selling at $3 a piece for those of you who need relief for your sore neck trying to keep up with the "serve & return" shots.

[Carolina]

34. exactly, mmonk

those of us who watched and drafted him were truly impressed not by visions of glory but by someone with real world experience and knowledge who could talk truth to power with credibility and unnerving (for them) charm. Blinded --- no way.

[BootinUp]

24. Clark was one of the few and one of the earliest

to attack the Bush Administrations credibility and policies in Iraq back in April 2003, and May, and June. He publicly questioned the policies on CNN as a CNN military analyst, he testified before congress in Sept 2002 urging a different course than a unilateral war. I don't know where you have been, but Clark was the DU'ers number one choice for POTUS in the official site poll back in late November I believe, and he won nearly every poll after that at this site.

Please realize that many many Democrats do know these things and supported Clark. Clark has credibility with many of us already.

edit:spelling

[Lefta Dissenter]

29. Hey, since you're still so fascinated with Clark

why don't you educate yourself by going to Clarkmyths.com to find that Wes Clark was not associated with Waco, and go to Clark04.com to read his statement on SOA.

Despite the fact that he has stepped out of the race for the presidency, I believe that he will continue to be a force in the Democratic Party, so it's certainly worth your time to learn a bit more about these non-issues.

Thanks for your interest!

(how's that for restraint, folks???):hi:

[Shanty Oilish]

39. I have tried to 'educate myself' --- he's very elusive.

I don't like elusive in a candidate, especially a candidate for president.
You write that he was not associated with Waco. In fact he has not been associated with Waco, though he was the commander there and should not have been unaware of the movement of tanks...
FWIW, I think Clark stifled Lehane on the Kerry trash. Clearly he could have leaked it during his race and it did not benefit him to leak it on the eve of his endorsement of Kerry.
Thanks for the restraint. But I wonder what you actually know of Clark, as opposed to the impression he has made on you.
How a four-star general makes such a great impression on so many Democrats is baffling to me. Because he's brilliant? Not every brilliant man is a good man, or an honest one. Clark never gave me reasons to believe him, only assertions.

[Lefta Dissenter]

55. As I said,

read about the Waco claims at clarkmyths.com. If you're referring to him as elusive, I would guess that you haven't been to Clark04.com to read all of his position papers and learn more about his history. Did you know that he has testified against DADT? Did you know that he worked in the White House for over a year and has worked with Senators and Congressmen from both sides of the aisle? Did you know that he has placed environmental issues over the desires of the military for weapons testing? Did you know that he testified before the Senate, against invading Iraq?

Frankly, I'm the daughter of two anti-war activists who were tear-gassed in the 60's, my father testified against the Defense Department regarding some of their proposed weaponry, our phones were bugged in the 60's and 70's... you know I actually had to get past the fact that Clark was a career military man in order to realize what an absolutely remarkable man he is.

You see, that's where an education can actually defeat prejudices. The more I read about Clark, the more I listened to him, the more I talked with people who have worked with him, and the more I learned from other military officers what Clark's role was as SACEUR, the more I realized that my hangups over the military were illfounded.

I think you'll find that you'll be surprised as you learn about General Wesley Clark, and I'll be looking forward to hearing what you think about him after you've read his record and his stand on the issues.

[BootinUp]

66. You just threw down

some nice damn credentials!

[Mobius]

57. elusive???He begged for media attention and didnt get it

You Dean people aren't going to get any votes that way. Dean is going DOWN DOWN DOWN! Kiss all your hard work, $ and Dean dreams GOODBYE :hi:

[LandOLincoln]

71. He's "elusive" to you only because you refuse to see what's

right in front of you.

BTW, he was NOT base commander at Ft. Hood, he was commander of the 1st Cav at Ft. Hood from July 1992 to April 1994.

"I was General Clark's staff judge advocate at the 1st Cavalry Division. As such, I was his legal advisor and provided advice about military support for the FBI at Waco. In addition, I briefed the 1st Cav's tank crews before they departed Fort Hood.

"The 1st Cavalry Division received orders from its higher headquarters - III Armored Corps and Fort Hood - to provide certain equipment to the FBI for its use at Waco. I learned the FBI had made a request for equipment to the Department of Defense, which ultimately sent it through Army channels to Fort Hood - the Army installation closest to Waco. The request was consistent with statute (10 U.S.C. § 372), Department of Defense directive, and Army regulation, and I advised General Clark (or, more particularly, his Chief of Staff) of that fact.

"At the direction of the division's Chief of Staff, I later briefed the division's tank crews before they departed for Waco. My guidance to the crews was they could provide the FBI equipment (10 U.S.C. § 372), they could train the FBI on its use (10 U.S.C. § 373), and they could maintain the equipment (10 U.S.C. § 374). I told the crews, however, that under no circumstances could they operate the equipment in support of the FBI's Waco operation (10 U.S.C. § 375).

"Incidentally, my office's written legal opinion and the slides used to brief the tank crews were turned over to Congress during its Waco investigations, to the Danforth Commission, and to the United States District Court that heard the Federal Tort Claims Act lawsuits arising out of Waco.

I would be happy to provide additional information, but I believe too much ink has already been spilled over what is truly a "non-issue." Of course, the normal disclaimer applies: nothing in this e-mail should be construed as an endorsement on behalf of or against General Clark."

Richard D. Rosen
Colonel, U.S. Army, Retired
Associate Dean for Administration & External Affairs
Texas Tech University School of Law

[madrchsod]

22. so?

i thought he wasn`t running anymore.i guess i was wrong

[mmonk]

27. Seems like

that hasn't gotten through to some writers and voters yet.

[Carolina]

25. bleeding off money other

candidates would gotten... I think not. I gave freely to Clark because I believed in him. If he had not come along , you think I would have given that money to another candidate? Wrong! That logic doesn't follow.

Granted I am none too pleased that Clark abandoned the race before Super Tuesday nor do I care for his too-early, add-on endorsement of Kerry. But as for giving money, I made my choice willingly and gladly. And had Clark not been in the race I would have given more to DU, Bart and Buzz NOT to Kerry or Edwards, or Dean ....

[Mobius]

59. Clark bowing out early filtered more money back

I think it's far more shameful to waste money on a campaign you know is doomed.

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[Lefta Dissenter]

33. Now, Grovelbot,

you're not trying to bleed off money from the other Dems, are you???

[Adelante]

47. Nicely done

Grovelbot likes inclusion politics. Gimme money. :7

[Renew Deal]

32. What a pile of shit.

This is up there with the Clark is working on mind control article.

[hope42mro]

44. "Ass-kisser"?? PLEEZZE!!!

Clark ran because he was DRAFTED by regular Americans, not by Bush.
I personally know alot of these drafters and they'd be pissed to hear you manipulate their project into being a tool for Bush.
Maybe its too scary to think that normal people sitting in a bar can think they can CHOOSE the next president, instead of having him chosen for them.

Why does this author have to tear Clark down now? He's not even running anymore.
All of these accusations could be made against any Democrat, sheesh!
He didn't cut and run, he was low on money and coming from way behind. So instead of stay in and rot he stepped aside. But that's much less interesting than your conspiracy theory I suppose.

Clark IS exactly who he says he is.

I could argue against all of these accusations but they're so slimy, "ass-kisser" (PLEEZE!!), they're not worth my time or emotion.

Just GO AWAY!

[hope42mro]

45. .

[Mobius]

61. Also Clark was asked to retire early 4 NOT being an ass kisser

I'd like to see how some of these posters shine ass @ work :shrug:

[Padraig18]

49. He withdrew, so why post this?

:shrug:

[Shanty Oilish]

51. Well, it wouldn't have been allowed while he was a candidate

Threads unflattering to Clark were extinguished promptly while he was a candidate. Supposedly this thread's been alerted anyway, so be patient :)

[Padraig18]

52. I just don't see the point, but OK.

:shrug: :)

[BootinUp]

54. What do they call this revisionist history maybe?

I have personally defended Clark from these kind of smears here since I registered in early Nov.

:hi:

[Mobius]

63. Threads unflattering to Clark were extinguished promptly?????

Thats all I frigging saw were negative Clark threads. You have been here more that 2 days havent you?

[jpgpenn]

56. This is why Clark gave up 35 years of his life...

Not to mention almost losing his life in the process. So cockroaches like this could write articles that the smear and shit on the inegrity of a True American Hero!

Hey poster I know you didn't write this article but I wondering, do you feel PROUD posting it?

[jpgpenn]

58. HIT PIECE...this Spike Trees posted and flew the coop!

:puke: I'll keep my eyes open for your future posts. I'm curious of your thought patterns and political views as a whole!!!

[Bonobo]

62. Yep, he's gone. Has anyone 'alerted' on this piece of shit post?

[mmonk]

60. amazing

this thread still lives. Clark's out of the race now. What's the point?

[Mobius]

64. The point is to make yourself feel better about your LOSER

by tearing down others??? just a thought :shrug:

[mmonk]

67. could be on to something

Striking out in frustration. It would seem better to talk the remaining candidates up. I don't understand the bitterness. It's not Clark's fault.

[jpgpenn]

65. The Scumbag that wrote this article should call his site....

Absence of Logic!!

[Cocoa]

69. an odd omission in that story

it never says what Clark had to do with the intern story. It implies numerous times that Clark played a role in spreading the story, but if the article ever says how this is so, I can't find it.

Unless that bit in Drudge is it. Is that it? Is this whole thing predicated on the assumption that Drudge is credible?

What's up with this site, anyway? Everything I see posted from it smells like disinfo to me.

[Donna Zen]

70. On days like these with posts like this:

I very seldom come to DU anymore because of posts like this one. First the post repeats words either out of context or completely unverified; in this case both in all probability. Then the article makes leaps of logic that land in the abysse of the slough of Limba-land. The result is an insult to Clark, an insult to those of us who support him, and an insult to anyone's intelligence.

What do I know about Clark and when did I know it? I have read all of the books, I have listened to the speeches, and I met him and talked about our common and close personal friend. Yep, Clark and I share a friend, a life long Democrat.

The people who write this absolute trash are not deserving of the privilage to lick the bottom of Clark's intellectual Liberal boots. If it wasn't for Clark's questioning of bush's phoney war--yes, even more than Dean's--bush would be leading in the polls today. He offered you his credentials and you threw them in his face. And yet he is still doing all he can to save you from the rightwing and yourself.

I watched him the other the other day, saying all the right words while standing in front of a man who has been traveling with Kerry and repeating on stage the Shelton smears.

Instead of heaping thanks upon this man, Democrats have chosen to reward his efforts to speak out with steaming piles of scorn.

I have severed my ties to the official Democrat because of their lack of spine and because of narrow-minded ridiculous articles like these. I am now officially an Independent.

Krugman wrote that Wes Clark "gets it." This election is not about crack-pot theories, this election is about whether or not we live in a democracy. Clark is on the side of democracy, as for the writers and speaders of these lies, I'm not sure.

[Moderator]

73. Dupe....

condensed version of:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=326462


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=323155


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=322865