This won't go away

[frustrated_lefty]

'This won't go away. What happened is much nastier than is being reported'
By Adrian Blomfeld in Nairobi and Andrew Alderson

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/02/15/wus15.xml&sSheet=/portal/2004/02/15/ixportaltop.html

[madmax]

1. dupe n/t

[JVS]

5. Where is the other active thread on this?

[madmax]

12. Here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=365454

[JVS]

17. Thank you

[bahrbearian]

8. People just like to say Dupepedy dupe dupe dupity

I like your post

[kaitykaity]

2. This one of Murdoch's papers?

:puke:

[IndianaGreen]

23. Murdoch does not own The Telegraph, it is owned by Hollinger International

Murdoch does not own The Telegraph, it is owned by Hollinger International.

Hollinger International used to be run by Conrad Black, an ex-Canadian rightwinger, but he was canned after stories came out about Black's mismanagement.

Hollinger is selling some of the newspapers that Black had bought, including The Jerusalem Post and the Chicago Sun-Times.

Black has gone to court trying to block the sale:

Black Moves To Block Sale Of Hollinger Newspapers

By GERALDINE FABRIKANT (NYT) 1057 words
Late Edition - Final , Section C , Page 1 , Column 5

DISPLAYING FIRST 50 OF 1057 WORDS - In the escalating battle between Conrad M. Black and Hollinger International, Lord Black moved yesterday to stop the company from selling any of its newspapers, which include The Daily Telegraph of London, The Chicago Sun-Times and The Jerusalem Post. ... Hollinger Inc., the company that holds Lord Black's controlling stake...

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F50A13FD345D0C778EDDA80894DC404482

[stickdog]

29. Black and Perle are the best of buds. (nt)

[MurikanDemocrat]

3. *sigh*

There's only a story for those who wish to use right wing smear tactics to prop up the failing campaigns of their candidates.

[slinkerwink]

4. this will all come out in time for general election time

[mzmolly]

6. Still no comment from Ms Polier?

I find that curious. Why on earth would one NOT comment on this subject and put the matter to rest?

Nope, it's not going away.

[lancdem]

7. Maybe because she wants to be left alone?

[MurikanDemocrat]

11. I wouldn't either. It's a trap. No answer will satisfy those that want to

believe it.

[Renew Deal]

16. Are you hoping it's true?

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

9. According to an unnamed "friend". Hoo Ha!

I want to believe.

I want to.

I want to.

[theorist]

10. Does this even add up?

Clark's intern comment doesn't even make sense to me. Why would he say this right before an endorsement? I'm looking at this with great suspicion (as I hope the rest of you are).

In the unfortunate event that this turns out to be true, I would hope the American people have moved beyond the sex scandal immaturities of the past.

[Renew Deal]

13. That is a hit piece.

Who is the friend that is saying that this is not going away? Matt Drudge? And what specifically did Kerry do wrong? Invite her to his campaign. She went to Columbia. The girl is pretty bright. There is another story about her giving him a resume. What a load of crap. There is no new info there. They are just trying to keep this alive.

This is not pointed at the original poster.

[GodHelpUsAll2]

24. She went to Columbia. The girl is pretty bright

Think about what was just said. "She went to Columbia. The girl is pretty bright" Bush went to Yale. Does that make him "pretty bright"

[Renew Deal]

42. Good point

[frustrated_lefty]

25. Thank you, Bleachers7

But please put the smack down on me if there's reason to.

I'm not even going to argue the issue. It's a story which needs to be addressed in better terms than it has been. I'm sorry it bugs you, but it really does need to be addressed.

[Renew Deal]

43. ugh

I didn't even know you were the original poster. If I didd, I would have used your name. Anyway, no smackdown for you ;). I don't get what needs to be addressed. Why do you even think this is credible? So far there are denials everywhere and no accusations of actual wrong doing. What needs to be addressed? Kerry is addressing nothing with nothing.

[arewethereyet]

14. a curious aside

if the media is a tool of the right wing, why is this story going largely unnoticed ?

Only possible answer for me is that Kerry is the guy they want running.

[Renew Deal]

18. Or they are scared of libel and slander suits.

What specifically did Kerry do wrong?

[Clark4Prez]

22. What Kerry Did Wrong

Is kick Bush's ass in the polls, how dare he!

[Clark4Prez]

15. If the economy doesn't turn around

Then these "moral" issues are irrelevant. Everyone knew Clinton was a skirt chaser (even me, and I love the man!). We still elected and reelected him.

This story has no legs, unlike Lewinsky, this woman doesn't appear to be a scorned lover having lunches with Linda Tripp. Without her statements to the affirmative or DNA evidence, there is no there, there.

While her parents don't like Kerry, he asked her to join his campaign and she declined. Even if they did have an affair, she would have to have strong motivation to bring it out in the open.

Sorry, but as long as Americans are losing jobs, this story will go away, as long as Americans are dying in Iraq, this story will go away, as much as El Rushbo and Matt Fudge wish for it to hang around it will go away. Because America faces far bigger issues than John Kerry's penis.

[funky_bug]

20. and THIS

is why I married this man!

I'm a proud wife of a Wes freak!

[Cocoa]

19. thanks for posting this

the mainstream media has been ignoring this vitally important story.

But here on DU, every angle of all the Kerry scandals is getting GREAT coverage.

[jeter]

21. How is this scandalous

It says nothing about them actually having an affair. If this is the big story - its nothing.

The worst thing in it is that he may have pursued her.

That he invited her to work on his reelection campaign for the Senate THREE YEARS AGO.

She declined. Her father thinks he was pursuing his daughter and thinks he is a "sleazeball".

No actual affair took place.

I see nothing wrong with this. I actually feel better about it.

[janx]

26. More from the Guardian--not just about the sleaze

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1148524,00.html

[juajen]

32. Very interesting

I'm not liking the special interests portions at all. Who the hell vetted Kerry for this nomination? I am certainly reserving judgment on the sleeze bit, but the rest of the article is scarey.

[janx]

33. Nobody did, apparently--except for his friends.

Ugh. I am liking this less and less.

[bigtree]

34. Kerry Ranks Near Bottom in Senate on Money From PACs and Lobbyists

Feb. 3, 2004
Kerry Ranks Near Bottom in Senate on Money From PACs and Lobbyists

Statement from Nick Nyhart, Executive Director of Public Campaign Action Fund; Chellie Pingree, President of Common Cause; and Joan Claybrook, President of Public Citizen

According to a Jan. 31 Washington Post story, presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) is beholden to the very special interests he says he will dismiss from the White House if elected. The Post based its erroneous conclusion on an analysis of the money Kerry has raised from lobbyists while he was a senator.

But the Post paints an inaccurate picture using an arbitrary statistic. A more accurate indicator of whether a candidate has ties to special interests is whether that candidate receives political action committee (PAC) as well as lobbyist money, and if so, how much. An analysis of PAC and lobbying contributions combined shows Kerry is near the bottom in receiving such funds when PAC money is averaged from 1993 through the present and lobbyist money is averaged from 1990 through present. Further, the lobbyist money that Kerry has taken in the presidential campaign is less than 1 percent of his total money raised.

Not only has Kerry historically refused to take PAC money, but his record shows that he been a leader for more than a decade in full reform of campaign financing, advocating for clean public money not only for presidential but also congressional campaigns.

Kerry was the lead sponsor with the late Sen. Paul Wellstone (D-Minn.) on a measure that would have authorized clean money in all federal congressional elections and was a leader in pressing for congressional public financing in the 1992 and 1993 campaign finance reform bills. Although those bills passed, they were not enacted.

Other Democratic presidential candidates such as former Gov. Howard Dean and Sen. John Edwards also have endorsed campaign finance reform. Dean has endorsed public financing and reform of the presidential public funding system. Edwards played a leadership role in the effort to pass the McCain-Feingold bill and has endorsed reform of the presidential public funding system. President Bush has not endorsed either.

http://www.publiccitizen.org/pressroom/release.cfm?ID=1639

[Tinoire]

40. Disturbing

Kerry - like Bush - has recruited an army of 'bundlers' who skip around strict campaign finance laws by gathering $2,000 cheques from friends and employees into bundles of $50,000 or $100,000. Kerry has 32 $100,000 bundlers and 87 $50,000 bundlers. They come mainly from powerful law firms, real estate companies, financiers and lobbyists.

Kerry has received more money from lobbyists over the past 15 years than any other serving senator. Some of Kerry's close links with lobbyists have raised eyebrows among supporters used to his campaign slogan: 'From the moment I take up office, I will stand up to special interests.'

Kerry has strong ties to lobbyists for the telecommunications industry. Michael Whouley, a top Kerry political aide, is a registered lobbyist for telecoms giant AT&T. Kerry has also taken hundreds of thousands of dollars from Boston lobbying firm Mintz Levin Cohn Ferris Glovsky. Kerry's brother Cameron is a lawyer for the company which represents communications firms and the Cellular Telecommunications & Internet Association.

Between 1999 and 2002 Kerry sponsored two law bills and co-sponsored six more that were seen as advantageous to CTIA's interests. One of Kerry's main bundlers, Chris Putala, is employed as a lobbyist by the CTIA. 'We are beyond the point of whether he takes money from special interests, but rather what, if anything, has been done in response to the funds,' said Steve Weiss, spokesman for the Centre for Responsive Politics watchdog.

<snip>
But Paul Davis, co-founder of internet firm Predictive Networks, has seen the process of how fundraising and legislation mix. Kerry met a top Predictive executive on 25 July, 2000. A day later Kerry introduced a Senate bill that would allow internet firms to monitor what their consumers were viewing and that Predictive had been lobbying for. In February 2002 Predictive chief executive Devin Hosea threw a fundraiser for Kerry in Boston. Kerry was given a lift back to Washington DC in a private jet. Hosea threw a second fundraising party that summer. In the end Hosea become one of Kerry's $100,000 'bundlers' .

<snip>

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1148524,00.html


Thanks for posting this. If no one has already, I am going to start a thread.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

27. If its real, where are the names? An unnamed friend, certain sources

If there's facts, evidence, testimony, where is it? This is all innuendo. I'm very suspicious when people won't let their names be quoted.

[stickdog]

28. For those who haven't heard, the rumor is that he gave her $500,000

to have an abortion and sign a nondisclosure agreement.

I'm not trading in rumors. I think this entire Repuke private life assault is crap. However, this is the rumor, and this is what we are up against here.

[David Dunham]

35. No source has reported that. Except wacko Freepers.

[stickdog]

36. Funny, I heard it from a former mayor of SF.

That doesn't make it true. In fact, he went out of his way to stress that.

However, the rumor has been out there among party insiders for awhile.

[David Dunham]

37. Wllie Brown Cozied Up to Arnold and Dissed Gray Davis.

I wouldn't trust Brown with anything now.

[David Dunham]

38. In any case, Bush himself paid for a girl to get an abortion in Texas

[stickdog]

39. Me, either.

Heck, I don't even trust Art Agnos!

[bigtree]

30. Per SNL- Is this like Clinton?

"Close but no cigar."

Sorry, I couldn't resist. This crap still floatin'?

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[janx]

41. They mentioned this thing on SNL?

?

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