Time for DU to show some backbone and contribute to John Edwards. Stand up to the MSM

[saracat]

who are trashing and Elizabeth for standing up to Coulter.Send a message with your checkbook that Elizabeth did NOT "demean herself" by confronting Coulter and that this is NOT a cheap campaign trick.The only way to send a real message is to keep the Edwrds Campaign ahead of the game and show we support their efforts to stand up to the media.They have taken on FOX and now Coulter.If we believe that this is the right thing to DU and we are always saying that "someone " should stand up to the media, we MUST support Edwards with our wallets.

[Liberty Belle]

1. I agree!

[The Count]

2. No idea what Coulter said, but when Trippi sent me that message...I told myself

"what a cheap campaign trick"
Elisabeth is fine in my book, but to tell me that I have no backbone for not contributing to an IWR sponsor is a bit much....

[MalloyLiberal]

3. Oh go back and go kiss Obama's ass.

[The Count]

30. Funny, because I am not an Obama supporter - although on Iraq he is less

disgusting than the sponsor and the voter for IWR. Why do you assume that this is about personalities for me? Just because your candidate has been making lots of cash from personal issues in all his campaigns, it doesn't mean I am here for personal reasons. I happen to have powerful anti-war feelings - and don't appreciate war sponsors.
I also care about my vote being stolen twice and don't appreciate the silence of the last 2 candidates I voted for.

[saracat]

4. Really? How shallow of you.I assume you would only support standing up to Coulter

if "someone else" than Edwards was doing it? I would contribute to "anyone" who stood up to the media the way Elizabeth did.It is hypocrtical to whine about Kerry not responding quick enough to swiftboating and then criticize the Edwrds Campaign for taking action. That is talking out of both sides of your mouth! ( I am not saying you are doing that! Just that some are.)

[Catchawave]

15. I do that all the time....send Thank You dollars :)

Small donations are a political "thank you" for courage, much as the DU's done for Feingold, Boxer, etc. Sometimes flowers, but I know our candidates NEED $$$$ right now.

[The Count]

31. I don't support "standing up to Coulter" by anyone. She has to be ignored, not

used as cash rising gimmick. Frankly, she hasn't been in the news lately if not fot the Edwardses efforts.

[last_texas_dem]

38. If I remember correctly

Coulter was already in the news for essentially calling for Edwards's assassination. Her obsession with John Edwards and the media's reports on her nastiness has been going on long before any action taken by John or Elizabeth Edwards.

[The Count]

39. No, she wasn't. That statement is very old - CPAC old. Since then she's been

largely ignored by her own people. So now, she's red meat for you gullible lot.

[last_texas_dem]

40. Alright, excuse me

for not doing a better job keeping up with when Coulter makes her outrageous statements. (At the same time, I doubt most would consider a statement from a couple of months ago "very old" but whatever, I'll acknowledge it wasn't new.) However, I don't understand how it can be argued that Coulter isn't "in the news"; she's often getting all kinds of free press for her outrageous statements. Ignoring her has obviously not made her go away.

I appreciate the "gullible" comment, though. May I ask what I did to you to deserve a personal attack?

[The Count]

50. She is being kept in the news by these fundraisers. Otherwise, pretty irrelevant

by now. So, the whole notion of "standing up" to an obscure, discredited attention starved lunatic is outrageous on its face. Calling it "brave" and rewarding it with donations - extremely gullible indeed. Asking other DU-ers to follow - and thereby "showing they have a spine"....yet another very cheap ploy.
I remember the 2004 primaries - with some Deanies: "what did you say about MY candidate???? $ 50 goes to him right now to punish you" :eyes:

That's why I say - the combination of Trippi/Edwards....extremely cheesy results.

[Catchawave]

52. Thanks for kicking the thread :)

....and put down that Nedra Pickler article.

[Cameron27]

54. It's a money maker Count,

and Trippi loves it. Matthews sparked the whole thing by inviting Coulter to appear on Hardball, but once the Edwards' emails were sent, the whole thing became a fundraising political manuever. A little too slick IMO, but typical politics.

[last_texas_dem]

69. OK

I just didn't understand why your attack appeared to be directed at me when all I posted was my assumption that E. Edwards was responding to recent comments from Coulter. (I assumed the comments were new because I didn't hear about them- the "assassination" comments- until the same day that I heard that E. Edwards had called in to "Hardball", and I assumed recent comments were what had inspired her to call in.) I haven't been telling anyone on this board to put their support or donations behind any particular candidate, and I'm still undecided myself (although I do lean towards Edwards at the moment), so I don't believe the "gullible" description you give in your post applies to me.

[MonkeyFunk]

62. NO

she made the statement about edwards being killed in a terrorist attack just a couple days ago.

[onehandle]

5. My first contribution of the year.

$100 for Elizabeth.

Coulter is a _________________________________________.

[Schema Thing]

6. You have got to be kidding.

Give me a way to hurt Coulter, and I'm there.

But I don't support John Edwards for president.

[saracat]

7. But you might support the effort to smack her down.Don't you think Edwrds should be thanked somehow?

Aftwer all, we sent roses to Helen Thomas! We should thank the Edwards Campaign with money!

[The Count]

34. How is bringing Coulter back from oblivion comparable with Helen Thomas?

Thomas was brave and CURRENT at the time and had no personal agenda in it.

[spooky3]

8. Then send your $ to the DNC or your favorite candidate.

The timing of it (and a note you attach) should send the message that it is a response to AC's being given free publicity to sell her venom.

[saracat]

10. Whaaat? It should be in support of Elizabeth!

[spooky3]

19. But s/he refuses to send a direct cont to JRE. Wouldn't you prefer

that he show his/her support by donating to another Democrat than to do nothing but post here at DU?

[saracat]

28. Nope.That wasn't my point.She can always donate to the Party. It won't mean the same thing!

[spooky3]

45. ????? ok, so you would prefer s/he take no action at all?

My point is that what you want him/her to do is not acceptable to him/her--s/he's saying it ain't going to happen, so no benefit in further arguing. My point is that what would be second best, if someone wants to show support but doesn't want to contribute to the Edwards campaign, is not to do nothing. It is to make a timely contribution, with an attached message, to the Democratic cause of his/her choice.

[IA_Seth]

64. Wow.

If I could nominate a post, just to highlight the absurdity of it, this one would win the prize!

I mean, seriously. You honestly believe that we MUST donate to John Edwards' campaign directly to prove something to Ann Coulter?

Seriously?

[StudentsMustUniteNow]

9. You're not hurting Coulter

Coulter's a goddamn entertainer. How come no one here but me realizes this? She can say whatever she wants, and the more you get upset, the more of a reputation she gets and the more money she earns.

:eyes:

[saracat]

11. It isn't to hurt Coulter.It is to support Elizabeth's stand!

[ChiciB1]

14. I Completely Agree With You... I Had To Turn The Crap Off When

Armstrong got involved! While trying NOT to kiss up to Coulter, he HAD to say that it was a ploy by the Edwards campaign. I thought these people couldn't get any worse, but when Kerry doesn't "buck up" to Swift-boaters he's lame, so when Elizabeth Edwards stand up to Coulter, she's trying to push her husband's campaign!!

I've known for a long time that there is very little respect I have for MSM, but what just took place tonight is nothing more than GARBAGE! So, in the end... Coulter is a WITCH, but on the other hand Elizabeth Edwards is STUPID for even trying to stand up to so much that is wrong about Coulter and the hate she spews!

I didn't think I could be surprised anymore, but I was WRONG! This country is so screwed up and I just want to scream. No matter WHAT anyone does comes with a price to pay!

I'm going to a fund-raiser for Edwards this Friday and I STILL support him! I have great respect for him and his wife ELIZABETH and what she did took a lot of guts and I guess "standing by your man" is not something that is respected anymore. Not to mention the attacks that COULTERGEIST spews at so many others. To say that Elizabeth legitimized her was so off the wall and turn her confrontation on this witch into something IT CLEARLY was not is way beyond anything I can begin to understand!

But hey, that's just what happened... John & Elizabeth... THE WORST PERSONS IN THE WORLD!!

I swear, talk about hitting ROCK BOTTOM, I can say no more! I just need to flip the channel, so glad I have DISH... MAYBE I can find some decent movie... or not!!

Amerika at it's best!!

[The Count]

37. A "stand" dictated by the closing quarter of fundraising rather for anything

Coulter said recently. She was in fact being ignored until Elizabeth gave her another shot at limelight. And it was well planned, as the letters asking for cash came in my mailbox BEFORE the Hardball appearance (hence my confusion as to what did Coulter say now).

[ChiciB1]

18. I Saw A Link Once... Don't Know Where Now, But It Was About HOW

Coulter sells her books. Had something to do with boxing them in Canada and spreading them around so they "seem" to be big sellers. I'm not going to take the time to look it right now, I probably won't take the time to do it ever again, but it was out there.

I'm just so sick of this back-biting crap that I really really think I actually want to PUKE, and say some other really really nasty, unprintable things... but I won't!

I think something is so very very wrong and I KNOW I have no way to fix it. Actually, I'm almost to the point where I don't give a rats Ass about ANYTHING ANYMORE!!

If SICKO hadn't already been used, the word would be so very appropriate to what is happening to Amerika!!

I'm outta here! So much trash talk and no decency to be found!!!!

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

22. She is a sick, damaged person. Hardly entertaining. She can only be trotted out once in a while.

Entertainers actually entertain. She is sent out to speak the most vile words with which she can get away.

MKJ

[The Count]

36. She certainly got a bit of unexpected attention due to the closing quarter of

fundraising in the Edwards campaign. Everyone forgot about her before she was trotted out as red meat again.

[maximusveritas]

12. Insulting

It's fine to ask for donations, but trying to make it out to be our obligation is insulting. Standing up to Coulter is nothing new nor is it likely to be productive. This attention is what she wants after all. It also cheapens what Mrs.Edwards did into a political stunt to raise some money from the left.

[saracat]

21. Nothing new? Who else has done it? Name names. And as you are new, perhaps you are unaware

of the DU tration of sending support either roses or financial contributions to those who have done something we admire.

[The Count]

51. What's so admirable in resuscitating old outrage for fundraising purposes?

New or not, poster is right. Trying to guilt us into supporting the IWR sponsor just because somehow that would show Coulter or reward Elisabeth - a bit much.

[calteacherguy]

13. Coulter is really going to benefit Edwards fundraising efforts,

I'm sure the Edwards campaign strategists really appreciate all she does for them!

Coulter is the best thing to happen to the Edwards campaign all year! (What is wrong with that picture...think about it).

Donate to Edwards? No thanks!

[Catchawave]

16. Fine. Thanks for sharing your RW talking points ...

:eyes:

[calteacherguy]

17. You can label them however you wish, but the words are true.

Just ask Trippi.

[The Count]

53. Yup. I got my anti-Coulter letter BEFORE the Hardball appearance. All planned

in advance, you know?

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

23. Nicely marched out, though. Each word parsed for its left-o-meter rating.

:-) MKJ

[burythehatchet]

20. Why should I have to pay for someone to take a stand?

the whole fundraising thing makes me ill to begin with, when its tied to stuff like this....nah, not for me. Mrs. Edwards had no right to bring us down to the level of addressing Ass Holeter.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

24. She took a stand when no one else has. No gentle chiding. this was a strong request to elevate the

dialog.

Coulter does nothing but make bilious, hateful statements about people she judges as unworthy and beneath her. She grants a few people the "joy" and privilege of her good graces.

Even Bill Mahr seemed to think that she had some kind of normalcy to her actions, however extreme. Now, it's evident that she's suffering from the use and abuse of those around her. And, still, public figures bow and scrape to her. Not so many now as several years ago, but too many.

Ms. Edwards doesn't care whether Coulter will judge her worthy. That frees her up to speak her mind and she's been the only one to call out Coulter on her extremely hurtful attacks.

MKJ

[AnotherMother4Peace]

25. I see it as contributing to someone who demonstrates leadership

Like Mrs. Edwards so eloquently said (to paraphrase) In the South we politely ask that someone stop speaking ill of another, and that's what I'm asking.

I think this was a classy thing to do. If it were my deceased son that Coulter was bashing, I don't know if I would have shown such restraint.

[saracat]

27. Elizabeth did NOT bring us down,She elevated us by taking a stand.

[spooky3]

47. Exactly right, and she put Coulter in the position of trying

desperately to avoid answering her questions and trying unsuccessfully to deflect and attack. It was a very smart as well as courageous and right thing to do.

[The Count]

32. Because the stand was taken for fundraising purposes. Coulter hasn't said

anything new lately - she was brought back from obscurity to be served as red meat to naive DU-ers.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

26. K&R - I'm contributing to a couple (John & Elizabeth) who demonstrate compassion & leadership

[NMDemDist2]

29. i contributed before the AC debacle

so I'm in for this quarter

[Tesha]

33. Sorry, we're standing up to the media by donating to Kucinich

Sorry, we're standing up to the media by donating to Kucinich,
the poster-child for media blackouts.

Tesha

[The Count]

35. Yup. That's a worthier, more relevant way to do it. Especially as DK hasn't

brought any viper back for oblivion to get people to contribute.

[spooky3]

46. Are you confused about the sequence of events, or are you accusing

Elizabeth or John Edwards of convincing Tweety to give Coulter a platform so that they can then raise money?

If the former, please review the concept that something that occurs after an event can't cause it.

If the latter, please provide the evidence.

[The Count]

55. I am not confused. My Trippi letter came BEFORE the Hardball appearance.

And I trashed like all unsolicited mail I get from that campaign.

[Cameron27]

56. lol, I didn't realize they sent out the emails before Hardball.

[MalloyLiberal]

42. Yep, really standing up. Someone who LOVES fox News!!

[Tesha]

43. What the **ck are you talking about?

Did I mention Fox news? I just don't see any reason
to rise to this silly call of "Fox News siad something
nasty about John Edwards; let's (opportunistically)
prove they're wrong by enriching my chosen candidate!"

I did this by pointing out that if you'd like a
candidate whom the media has really shit on, you
need look no further than Dennis Kucinich across
several election cycles. His ideas apparently
scare people so the natural defense (by the media)
is to make sure no one hears about his ideas through
their media.

Tesha

[MalloyLiberal]

48. Kucinich has been defending Fox News.

That's why I mentioned it.

[Tesha]

49. Citation? (NT)

[Catchawave]

58. I think he called the other dem candidates out for not

wanting to debate on Fox News. I'm sure there's a statement somewhere, maybe even on his website?

[Tesha]

61. That's hardly "being a supported of Fox news", sorry. (NT)

[mohc]

41. Just did

http://www.actblue.com/page/du-presidential">Donate

Maxed out for Edwards through DU's ActBlue link. I had not gone to the page before, and was quite surprised by how low the numbers are for all the candidates. Either 1) DUers are donating through other means 2) DUers can't afford it (which I do not believe) 3) DUers are cheap (which I do not believe or 4) They are really unmotivated by the choices right now.

http://www.actblue.com/page/du-presidential">Donate

[sampsonblk]

44. Uh, no. How about another choice?nt

[The Count]

57. No, it's Edwards or you are an invertebrate. And a traitor and a bad, bad person.

:sarcasm: It's been decreed when this latest stunt was cooked by Trippi.

[IA_Seth]

60. Do you mean you didn't?

YOU WORM!

You didn't give money to a campaign, even though the media is attacking the candidate from said campaign? Why you worthless little..

My lord, can we get any more politicky (new word) here? This is silly. Trippi needs a vacation.

[The Count]

66. I think you're looking for P.O. ("Politicky Operative"?) Gives a new meaning

to being PO-ed?

[Moochy]

68. Ok, how about Clinton, Obama, Richardson, Dodd, Biden, Kucinich or Gravel?

[IA_Seth]

59. No thanks!

This is silly. Why would I contribute to a campaign of a candidate I don't support because the media is 'attacking' his wife? What kind of twisted logic is that?

And to insinuate that if we don't contribute we aren't showing backbone?

Don't worry, if you are offended I an always come back and apologize later, that seems to work on some folks.

[Major Hogwash]

63. Talk about grandstanding!

Some crack whore on tv calls Edwards a few names, and everyone is supposed to send him cash?

Gimme a break.
Edwards is loaded, let him spend his own money.

[Moochy]

67. Hogwash?

Apt description of the content of your post. So you don't support Edwards. Don't be an jerk and bitch about fund raising in GD: P. Major Hogwash indeed.

[Major Hogwash]

70. Not that it matters to you, but anyone who spends $400 on a haircut, then asks for money

I can show them a youtube video of him spending 10 minutes combing his hair.

Goldilocks didn't even spend that much time combing her hair!

[Moochy]

73. Boy if that's how you pick your president?

Again I keep getting back to your appropriate name. What other right wing bullshit do you swallow unexamined?

Mah president gots to have a supercut look, shaved on the sides but long in the back. yessirree bob that edwards is rich faggot.

You and Ann Coulter agree apparently on this most critical issue of haircut expenditures. Does Hillary's $1300 haircut bother you?

What a fucking stooge... or worse.

[Major Hogwash]

74. Yeah, well, I don't smoke funny cigarettes either.

I see your "what a fucking stooge... or worse" comment and raise you a "what goes around comes around".

[Ian David]

65. Done! I contributed to Edwards and Gore. But who is the stupid asshole who contributed to Biden??n/t

[ripple]

71. Edwards isn't exactly a lone soldier in this fight with the MSM

Other candidates have stood up to Fox and their minions, as well.

I think people should contribute to the candidate of their choice. If that candidate happens to be Edwards, so be it. :shrug:

[abburdlen]

72. I'm confused

not a unusual for me but maybe someone can help me figure something out...
Edwards was out front pulling out of the Fox hosted debates. His campaign stated "there's just no reason for Democrats to give Fox a platform to advance the right-wing agenda"
I'm not sure that was a good idea or not but I can understand the logic behind it.
I don't understand how Elizabeth responding to Coulter isn't giving her a platform to advance her own vile agenda. I think it was a good thing that Edwards' called Coulter on her hateful rhetoric. I don't think ignoring hate speech makes it go away but I don't understand how it's not inconsistent to respond to Coulter but not appear on Fox.