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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 08:43 AM Original message |
"Changing the Party" by not voting for a Democratic nominee |
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Zandor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 08:47 AM Response to Original message |
1. K & R |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 09:22 AM Response to Reply #1 |
10. I will fight for the progressives in the primaries (if there are any), |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 12:24 PM Response to Reply #10 |
56. Have you managed to catch Lewis Black on the idea of the two party system |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 06:40 AM Response to Reply #56 |
93. Now that's an intriguing thought! |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
2. Primaries. |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 08:59 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Amen |
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HooptieWagon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 09:29 AM Response to Reply #2 |
12. In their infinate wisdom |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 11:06 AM Response to Reply #2 |
40. It worked so well in CT, didn't it? |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 11:09 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. That was the last straw with trying to work within the system for me, actually. |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 04:30 PM Response to Reply #42 |
68. Then lets get rid of the leadership. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 12:08 PM Response to Reply #40 |
49. "Vote for the Democrat loyalty" SHOULD have elected Lamont. |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 12:24 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. The Democratic Party "Leadership" sold us out on that one, too, Sparkly... |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 12:40 PM Response to Reply #55 |
63. Disgraceful is right. |
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skyblue (724 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 06:35 AM Response to Reply #40 |
76. Here's the deal with Lamont. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 03:32 PM Response to Reply #76 |
81. Or maybe they just didn't like the idea of a lefty winning, ehh? (NT) |
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skyblue (724 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-24-07 06:41 AM Response to Reply #81 |
85. He didn't win because of his presence not because of his politics. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-24-07 09:07 AM Response to Reply #85 |
88. You're thinking of a different "they" than I am. |
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malikstein (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 08:53 AM Response to Original message |
3. "the only way to change the politicians who represent them." |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 09:00 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Does not voting for the Democratic nominee in the general election help this? |
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welshTerrier2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 08:56 AM Response to Original message |
4. nope ... |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 09:00 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. It sucks that people buy into the meme that |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 09:09 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Don't let strong emotions get in the way of reason (and reading) |
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welshTerrier2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 09:27 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Can we stick to that topic? |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 10:04 AM Response to Reply #11 |
19. You're reading a whole lot into this that I didn't even address. |
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welshTerrier2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 10:13 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. heightened sensitivities |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 08:46 AM Response to Reply #11 |
96. Oh, my, yes! |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 09:34 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. As JFK said, "The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step." |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 10:12 AM Response to Reply #13 |
20. You're talking about the nominations. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 10:12 AM Response to Reply #13 |
21. You do realize that not voting for the lesser of two evils |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 10:16 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. I've thought about that, and it certainly is a Catch 22, but, in the end |
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DeepModem Mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 09:01 AM Response to Original message |
8. K&R, #5. |
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wryter2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
14. K&R |
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HooptieWagon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
15. Didn't they get the message Nov 06? |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 10:18 AM Response to Reply #15 |
27. "If we act like sheep, we will continue to get fleeced." |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 11:03 AM Response to Reply #27 |
39. Fleeced vs. Slaughtered. |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 11:10 AM Response to Reply #39 |
43. And, you're happy with that analogy? |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 11:19 AM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Happy, no. But it is accurate. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 12:35 PM Response to Reply #44 |
60. How? |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 12:59 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. All-or-nothing thinking gets us nothing. |
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some guy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 03:31 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. fine. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 03:31 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Ideolgical purity? |
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Independent Democrat (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 02:30 AM Response to Reply #64 |
92. Centrism has failed too....... |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
16. To change a party or the government in a democracy, you have to change peoples' minds. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
17. A little short on your history there friend |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 10:16 AM Response to Reply #17 |
26. You're long on words that don't pertain to the point |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 11:07 AM Response to Reply #26 |
41. Then perhaps you should re-read my post |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 11:57 AM Response to Reply #41 |
47. "can and will lead to the rise of another party to take its place" |
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puebloknot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 03:20 AM Response to Reply #41 |
72. The biggest block of the voting public.... |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 08:54 AM Response to Reply #26 |
97. Excuse me, but that was |
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Atmosphere (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
18. Or we could all vote for |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 10:13 AM Response to Reply #18 |
22. That's a brave post for a newbie. |
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ProgressiveAmPatriot (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 12:09 PM Response to Reply #18 |
50. Welcome to the DU, but Ron Paul has some serious issues on the issue of race among other things |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
24. We do not have the luxury of waiting for party change |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 10:21 AM Response to Reply #24 |
28. "People are dying around the world because the Reeps are in power. They ARE worse than the Dems." |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 10:41 AM Response to Reply #28 |
33. If the Dems you helped elect could actually wield power, I'd agree |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 10:54 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Then, if they want the majority, maybe they should run Dems that people like me |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 10:59 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. A very good thought, and I agree |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 08:55 AM Response to Reply #33 |
98. That argument has been countered |
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HooptieWagon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 10:29 AM Response to Reply #24 |
29. The Dems are in power now |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 10:39 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. The Dems are NOT in power |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 10:58 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Unfortunately, too many people believed their own rhetoric |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 11:01 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Amen. |
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zalinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
30. I am a liberal progressive, although I probably have been |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 12:33 PM Response to Reply #30 |
58. Agreed, more flies with honey than vinegar. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
31. Change the party? |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 11:56 AM Response to Reply #31 |
46. The value of the vote |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 12:39 PM Response to Reply #46 |
61. I guess, then, that I don't see a corporate Democrat |
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some guy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 03:38 PM Response to Reply #31 |
67. well said. |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
34. You should have given more attention to emotion. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #34 |
48. I guess I believe in facing reality. |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 12:19 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. So do I, but what I see makes you uncomfortable, and I don't know if you are facing it. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 12:34 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. It's not about discomfort, it's about clarity (at least on my part) |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 12:40 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. I see it as the ultimate expression of keeping the faith. |
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Tejanocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
45. Frankly, I think all the Democrat-on-Democrat Swiftboating during the primary erodes party loyalty. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 12:17 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. Ouch! |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 12:27 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Yes, more of this! |
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GeorgeGist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
53. I'm pretty sure ... |
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MGKrebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
54. Good post. We have to achieve some sort of separation |
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KaptBunnyPants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 10:24 PM Response to Original message |
69. "Nobody's paying attention to me, I can't get my way, and I'm angry" |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 01:34 AM Response to Original message |
70. Problem with the problems |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 06:15 AM Response to Reply #70 |
74. A Third Party in a country with an Electoral College doesn't work. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 02:03 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. Unless it wins the electoral college |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 02:08 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. I see that, at this point in time, pretty much as impossible, really.... |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-24-07 04:22 AM Response to Reply #80 |
82. By Getting votes |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-24-07 06:07 AM Response to Reply #82 |
84. I think what you have to understand is this: |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 01:57 AM Response to Reply #84 |
89. No, no, no... |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-24-07 06:48 AM Response to Reply #82 |
86. For all intents and purposes, Lieberman was the GOP candidate. |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-24-07 07:00 AM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Agreed. |
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puebloknot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 03:10 AM Response to Original message |
71. "If it's about emotion...." |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 03:30 AM Response to Original message |
73. I vote for the Dem always, have even held my nose for Dianne Feinstein |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 06:21 AM Response to Reply #73 |
75. What ARE "our issues"? |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 12:36 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. No, you are not correct |
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Independent Democrat (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 02:17 AM Response to Reply #78 |
91. Bottom line is that we all voted for change in November....... |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 07:59 AM Response to Original message |
77. In Paul Hackett's special election against Jean Schmidt to replace Portman a DUer... |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-24-07 05:46 AM Response to Original message |
83. I recently posted a thread in which it was interpreted...... |
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Independent Democrat (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 02:05 AM Response to Original message |
90. What the fook are we supposed to do? |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 06:50 AM Response to Original message |
94. People have a right to vote for whomever they want |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 08:39 AM Response to Original message |
95. Here's another option: |
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